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[Daniel Fishman]

Yes, John is correct.
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Daniel Fishman
Executive Director
The Libertarian Party
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On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:20 PM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> I believe they are simply referring to swapping in alternates for
> delegates who will not be participating.  As far as I know this is commonly
> done even well into convention.  For example I know at least one delegate
> that asked to withdraw and seat an alternate in their place.
>
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell 217-412-5973
>
> On May 21, 2020 1:12 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> I also wanted to tack Bylaw Article 10.4.e onto my email, which is about
> how list changes are handled after the final Credentials Committee
> meeting:
>
> "By seven-eighths vote, the Convention may approve additional delegates
> and
> alternates whose names and addresses are submitted to the Credentials
> Committee during the Convention."
>
> -Alicia
>
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 11:08 AM Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I am confused about how some delegations are making changes to their
> lists
> > at this point.  We were told that the final Credentials Committee
> meeting
> > prior to this weekend's event was on Sunday afternoon.
> >
> > Bylaw Article 10.4.c:  " A list of the names and addresses of all
> > delegates and alternates chosen by each affiliate party shall be sent to
> > the Credentials Committee no later than one month prior to start of the
> > first general session of the Regular Convention. Amendments to such
> lists
> > may be made by the affiliate parties and submitted to the Credentials
> > Committee until the close of the Credentials Committee meeting preceding
> > the Convention."
> >
> > Since that meeting has passed, affiliates should not be making changes
> to
> > their lists.  Updating email addresses and phone numbers is one thing,
> but
> > changing who is on the lists is another.
> >
> > The chair has said we're going to try to follow our bylaws and rules as
> > closely as possible for this weekend's event, but that's just what is
> said,
> > not what is actually done.  It's clear to many of us that the
> voluntarily
> > agreed to rules we have adopted for ourselves will be bulldozed.
> >
> > -Alicia
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:26 AM Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Right, I think "whittle down" was the flashpoint, everyone appreciates
> >> the practice sessions and the effort to make this work
> >>
> >> JBH
> >>
> >> ------------
> >> Joe Bishop-Henchman
> >> LNC Member (At-Large)
> >> joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> >> www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> >>
> >> On 2020-05-21 13:22, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> > Dan Fishman,
> >> >
> >> > Thank you for replying.
> >> >
> >> > This language:   "I'm sending a list to all the state chairs of the
> >> > delegates and alternates who aren't attending any of the practice
> >> > sessions so they can whittle down their final delegate lists."   Is
> >> > wrong.
> >> >
> >> > Nor, does that say "the spreadsheet makes delegation chairs aware and
> >> > allows the delegation chair to contact their group."
> >> >
> >> > Which you could have said.  The difference isn't an inartful
> phrasing,
> >> > but two different meanings.
> >> >
> >> > I also got a message last night from a different Region 3 delegate,
> who
> >> > said, and they quoted you:
> >> >
> >> > --------
> >> >
> >> > 'Fishman just mentioned to an alternate that chairs are "aggressively
> >> > kicking people out" and it's possible she'd be promoted to delegate
> >> >
> >> > In the training I'm in.'
> >> >
> >> > -----------
> >> >
> >> > So, what I'm getting is delegates complaining that the LP national ED
> >> > is
> >> > saying, or implying, that delegates are going to be, or are being,
> >> > 'whittled' or 'kicked' from their delegate spots.   This is not a
> good
> >> > look for LP national.  We work for the delegates.  Not the other way
> >> > around.   I know you're helping the delegates, and that work is much
> >> > appreciated.  The LP should've gone with some professional company,
> >> > instead of this DYI on Zoom.  I understand that you have your hands
> >> > full
> >> > in an effort to make it work.  I understand that you'll, "try to
> choose
> >> > words less ambiguously" in the future regarding our delegates.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > EVH
> >> >
> >> > ---
> >> > Elizabeth Van Horn
> >> > LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> >> >
> >> > On 2020-05-21 12:28, Daniel Fishman wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I regret any confusion. The list is compiled based on the list of
> >> >> delegates and alternates and then removing the people who have
> signed
> >> >> into a zoom training session.
> >> >> Prior to that email we were under 35% attendance. It is true that
> >> >> people who attend with a different email address than the one we
> send
> >> >> the zoom got this email -- hence my statement "no one with this
> email
> >> >> address...." It's also true that many people are unaware when they
> >> >> sign into zoom with their work email.
> >> >>
> >> >> I absolutely want people to attend at least one practice session.
> >> >> Having done hundreds of tech rollouts, customer training is the
> >> >> critical aspect in determining success. I provided the spreadsheet,
> >> >> broken up by state, to all the state chairs so they could contact
> only
> >> >> those we saw at risk as having not been to a training and encourage
> >> >> them to get training. My comment at the end, perhaps inartfully
> >> >> phrased, was meant to indicate that that the spreadsheet makes
> >> >> delegation chairs aware and allows the delegation chair to contact
> >> >> their group.
> >> >>
> >> >> I am doing everything I can to ensure success of the convention, and
> >> >> the fewer people we have who are logging into zoom for the very
> first
> >> >> time on Friday, the more successful we will be.
> >> >>
> >> >> Obviously the lists are controlled by the delegation chairs, and I
> >> >> certainly regret that people felt threatened. I am operating at
> >> >> breakneck speed, and assumed everyone understood that only states
> and
> >> >> delegation chairs control the lists. I will try to choose words less
> >> >> ambiguously.
> >> >>
> >> >> Please encourage everyone who hasn't been to a zoom training yet to
> >> >> get to the one this afternoon.
> >> >>
> >> >> ---
> >> >> Daniel Fishman
> >> >> Executive Director
> >> >> The Libertarian Party
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