[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200524-01: Authorize Signing of Orlando Contract

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

And if I understand the contract from the hotel it is only open for
acceptance until June 1.

On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 11:56 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Nothing in this motion precludes asking the chair first.
>
> What you are advocating by default by a no vote is potentially having this
> take seven days to fail, chair refuses, and then another seven days to
> pass.  Thus, yes two weeks.
>
> I’m offering to float another motion today with wording you like better.
> I’m waiting for that wording.  So far none received.  Just complaints about
> this wording.
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 11:15 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> I'm glad he told you Sam, but he didn't tell me or this body. Can you
>> verify those discussions?
>>
>> Because I've heard a lot about what the chair will do in the last two
>> weeks
>> and not a lick of it has come to pass.
>>
>> * Gavel in austin, no matter what
>> * Be amash's VP, then amash dropped out and Sarwark wasn't even nominated
>> with enough tokens
>> * Hijack the convention and force everything online
>> Etc
>> Etc
>> Etc
>>
>> Our chair is no saint. I can confirm some of the things that have been put
>> out there that atest to his character, but I am tired of fear of what our
>> chair might do dictating actions of this board.
>>
>> We have procedures.
>> They should be followed.
>> If they are not, the LNC can then react appropriately.
>>
>> Believe me. I will be one of the first to motion to remove Nick from
>> office
>> if he refuses to sign but just like we had to follow our rules to have an
>> in person. We need to follow then now for contract approval.
>>
>> Richard Longstreth
>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 931.538.9300
>>
>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>>
>> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:04 Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Richard,
>> >
>> > The Chair told me in no uncertain terms that he would not sign a
>> contract
>> > for an in person convention this year.  This motion does not preclude
>> him
>> > from changing his mind but does allow the LNC an option if he does not.
>> > The hotel is not going to keep a block on our rooms forever.
>> >
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> > ---
>> > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> > 317-850-0726 Cell
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2020-05-25 12:24, Richard Longstreth wrote:
>> >
>> > I want to be clear here:
>> >
>> > I read this motion  as authorizing any officer to sign the contract that
>> > was recommended by the COC. So far we have only the one from Saturday as
>> > recommended by them and there are concerns. The time to sign is not yet
>> > ripe and the chair indicated he will not be in attendance, not that he
>> will
>> > not sign.
>> >
>> > I think a better way to do this is to have the LNC approve the contract
>> > once concerns are resolved, ask Nick to sign, if he refuses, then do the
>> > motion we are debating now. I think we are putting the cart before the
>> > horse right now.
>> >
>> > Richard Longstreth
>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > 931.538.9300
>> >
>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >
>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 09:09 sam.goldstein--- via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The motion Daniel referred to is the AV contract, not the hotel
>> contract.
>> >>
>> >> Sam Goldstein
>> >>
>> >> On May 25, 2020 11:59 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I would suggest that the LNC meet with Oliver Hall, our legal council,
>> >> under executive session in order to be briefed on any concerns and
>> >> insights that we should be made aware. At that point, the body could
>> >> consult with the CoC in a separate session, and then come to a
>> >> conclusion on our next course of action. Once we have all of the
>> >> information, from all sides, then we can make the best recommendations.
>> >>
>> >> In Liberty,
>> >>
>> >> Steven Nekhaila
>> >> Region 2 Representative
>> >> Libertarian National Committee
>> >>
>> >> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>> >> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>> >>
>> >> On 2020-05-25 11:31 AM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
>> >> > I change my vote to no.
>> >> >
>> >> > This motion came quickly and after combing through and reviewing
>> >> > mountains
>> >> > of emails received throughout this weekend, I see the discrepancies
>> >> > noted
>> >> > by Mr O'Donnell. Further, I misunderstood this motion. I took it to
>> >> > read
>> >> > that any officer could sign when the time was appropriate, not to
>> sign
>> >> > now.
>> >> >
>> >> > While Nick has made it clear that he will not sign the contract to me
>> >> > based
>> >> > on his remarks and behavior at the e-convention, authorizing anybody
>> to
>> >> > do
>> >> > so right now is a mistake until it is fully finalized and all
>> concerns
>> >> > addressed. If that happens before this vote expires, I will change
>> back
>> >> > to
>> >> > yes. I realize the convention was busy for many and encourage all on
>> >> > this
>> >> > body to read the relevant emails to gain a full understanding of
>> where
>> >> > we
>> >> > stand. I don't think we are ready to sign yet.
>> >> >
>> >> > Richard Longstreth
>> >> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> >> > Libertarian National Committee
>> >> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >> > 931.538.9300
>> >> >
>> >> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 08:07 justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business <
>> >> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I vote No
>> >> >>
>> >> >> At 4:17 PM sunday, Mr. Hayes sent us all an email admitting that
>> this
>> >> >> contract had not yet been reviewed. As the revisions had just been
>> >> >> recieved, despite his insistance while speaking during the
>> convention
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> it was rock solid and had been reviewed and cleared.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Mr. Goldstein has been posting on social media and on this list
>> upset
>> >> >> about the leak of confidential contract information, claiming its an
>> >> >> issue
>> >> >> because the contract is still being negotiated and we dont have a
>> >> >> final
>> >> >> version yet.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The contract that was provided to the LNC Via Email on Saturday
>> >> >> morning
>> >> >> was quickly followed by remarks from Mr. Hall, the LNC's retained
>> >> >> council,
>> >> >> advising of what was in his opinion an incredibly unfavorable
>> contract
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> regards to riak assignment to the LNC given the circumstances.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I could be convinced to change my vote to yes, but not until the
>> >> >> members
>> >> >> of the CoC get on the same page and start spinning the same story
>> >> >> consistently at least, rather than insisting the contract is fine
>> and
>> >> >> ready
>> >> >> during public debate but admitting it hasnt been reviewed privately.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I will also wait until the contract is returned with a favorable
>> >> >> review
>> >> >> from our attorney, Mr. Hall.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On a side note, Region 8 will be holding an election for my
>> >> >> replacement
>> >> >> electronically next Week, I wish I could say it had been a pleasure
>> to
>> >> >> serve with everyone on this board, but unfortunately that would not
>> be
>> >> >> displaying the same level of honesty I'll asking of the CoC members.
>> >> >> The
>> >> >> last few months this board has been torn apart with childish
>> >> >> factionalism
>> >> >> and idiotic conflicts of personal natures. Many on this board could
>> >> >> benefit
>> >> >> from a re-reading of Non-Violent communication, and a realization
>> that
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> dont need to be so quick to throw a noose over the branch at every
>> >> >> percieved slight. I'm embarrased to have been part of this board the
>> >> >> past
>> >> >> few months, and I'm ashamed for the members of our party who have to
>> >> >> explain our conduct.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> Justin O'Donnell
>> >> >> LNC Region 8 Representative
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On May 25, 2020 10:38 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
>> >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I vote Aye.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In Liberty,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Steven Nekhaila
>> >> >> Region 2 Representative
>> >> >> Libertarian National Committee
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>> >> >> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 2020-05-25 09:56 AM, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>> >> >> > I vote yes.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -Joshua
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On May 25, 2020 12:11 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> >> >> > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 31, 2020 at
>> 11:59:59
>> >> >> >> pm
>> >> >> >> Pacific time.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Co-Sponsors:  Bilyeu, Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson,
>> >> >> >> Merced,
>> >> >> >> Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> =============================================
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Motion: Move to authorize any Party officer to execute the
>> Orlando
>> >> >> >> convention contract recommended by the Convention Oversight
>> >> >> >> Committee.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> =============================================
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1074776901
>> .
>> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
>> >> >> >> verification. You
>> >> >> >> can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the
>> >> >> >> bottom of
>> >> >> >> the sheet.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> *  In Liberty,*
>> >> >> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >> >> >> Syndrome
>> >> >> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >> >> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >> >> >> anyone
>> >> >> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> >> social
>> >> >> >> faux
>> >> >> >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
>> >> >> >> know.  *
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
> --
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
> --

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *