[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200524-01: Authorize Signing of Orlando Contract

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

Mr Phillips I will make that motion if I Mr Longstreth will confirm that
satisfies him.  I’m not in a mood to waste my time.

On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 12:08 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> And if I understand the contract from the hotel it is only open for
> acceptance until June 1.
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 11:56 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Nothing in this motion precludes asking the chair first.
>>
>> What you are advocating by default by a no vote is potentially having
>> this take seven days to fail, chair refuses, and then another seven days to
>> pass.  Thus, yes two weeks.
>>
>> I’m offering to float another motion today with wording you like better.
>> I’m waiting for that wording.  So far none received.  Just complaints about
>> this wording.
>>
>> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 11:15 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm glad he told you Sam, but he didn't tell me or this body. Can you
>>> verify those discussions?
>>>
>>> Because I've heard a lot about what the chair will do in the last two
>>> weeks
>>> and not a lick of it has come to pass.
>>>
>>> * Gavel in austin, no matter what
>>> * Be amash's VP, then amash dropped out and Sarwark wasn't even nominated
>>> with enough tokens
>>> * Hijack the convention and force everything online
>>> Etc
>>> Etc
>>> Etc
>>>
>>> Our chair is no saint. I can confirm some of the things that have been
>>> put
>>> out there that atest to his character, but I am tired of fear of what our
>>> chair might do dictating actions of this board.
>>>
>>> We have procedures.
>>> They should be followed.
>>> If they are not, the LNC can then react appropriately.
>>>
>>> Believe me. I will be one of the first to motion to remove Nick from
>>> office
>>> if he refuses to sign but just like we had to follow our rules to have an
>>> in person. We need to follow then now for contract approval.
>>>
>>> Richard Longstreth
>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 931.538.9300
>>>
>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:04 Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Richard,
>>> >
>>> > The Chair told me in no uncertain terms that he would not sign a
>>> contract
>>> > for an in person convention this year.  This motion does not preclude
>>> him
>>> > from changing his mind but does allow the LNC an option if he does not.
>>> > The hotel is not going to keep a block on our rooms forever.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sincerely,
>>> > ---
>>> > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>> > 317-850-0726 Cell
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 2020-05-25 12:24, Richard Longstreth wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I want to be clear here:
>>> >
>>> > I read this motion  as authorizing any officer to sign the contract
>>> that
>>> > was recommended by the COC. So far we have only the one from Saturday
>>> as
>>> > recommended by them and there are concerns. The time to sign is not yet
>>> > ripe and the chair indicated he will not be in attendance, not that he
>>> will
>>> > not sign.
>>> >
>>> > I think a better way to do this is to have the LNC approve the contract
>>> > once concerns are resolved, ask Nick to sign, if he refuses, then do
>>> the
>>> > motion we are debating now. I think we are putting the cart before the
>>> > horse right now.
>>> >
>>> > Richard Longstreth
>>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> > 931.538.9300
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 09:09 sam.goldstein--- via Lnc-business <
>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> The motion Daniel referred to is the AV contract, not the hotel
>>> contract.
>>> >>
>>> >> Sam Goldstein
>>> >>
>>> >> On May 25, 2020 11:59 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
>>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I would suggest that the LNC meet with Oliver Hall, our legal council,
>>> >> under executive session in order to be briefed on any concerns and
>>> >> insights that we should be made aware. At that point, the body could
>>> >> consult with the CoC in a separate session, and then come to a
>>> >> conclusion on our next course of action. Once we have all of the
>>> >> information, from all sides, then we can make the best
>>> recommendations.
>>> >>
>>> >> In Liberty,
>>> >>
>>> >> Steven Nekhaila
>>> >> Region 2 Representative
>>> >> Libertarian National Committee
>>> >>
>>> >> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>>> >> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>>> >>
>>> >> On 2020-05-25 11:31 AM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> >> > I change my vote to no.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > This motion came quickly and after combing through and reviewing
>>> >> > mountains
>>> >> > of emails received throughout this weekend, I see the discrepancies
>>> >> > noted
>>> >> > by Mr O'Donnell. Further, I misunderstood this motion. I took it to
>>> >> > read
>>> >> > that any officer could sign when the time was appropriate, not to
>>> sign
>>> >> > now.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > While Nick has made it clear that he will not sign the contract to
>>> me
>>> >> > based
>>> >> > on his remarks and behavior at the e-convention, authorizing
>>> anybody to
>>> >> > do
>>> >> > so right now is a mistake until it is fully finalized and all
>>> concerns
>>> >> > addressed. If that happens before this vote expires, I will change
>>> back
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > yes. I realize the convention was busy for many and encourage all on
>>> >> > this
>>> >> > body to read the relevant emails to gain a full understanding of
>>> where
>>> >> > we
>>> >> > stand. I don't think we are ready to sign yet.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Richard Longstreth
>>> >> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>>> >> > Libertarian National Committee
>>> >> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> >> > 931.538.9300
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 08:07 justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business <
>>> >> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> I vote No
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> At 4:17 PM sunday, Mr. Hayes sent us all an email admitting that
>>> this
>>> >> >> contract had not yet been reviewed. As the revisions had just been
>>> >> >> recieved, despite his insistance while speaking during the
>>> convention
>>> >> >> that
>>> >> >> it was rock solid and had been reviewed and cleared.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Mr. Goldstein has been posting on social media and on this list
>>> upset
>>> >> >> about the leak of confidential contract information, claiming its
>>> an
>>> >> >> issue
>>> >> >> because the contract is still being negotiated and we dont have a
>>> >> >> final
>>> >> >> version yet.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> The contract that was provided to the LNC Via Email on Saturday
>>> >> >> morning
>>> >> >> was quickly followed by remarks from Mr. Hall, the LNC's retained
>>> >> >> council,
>>> >> >> advising of what was in his opinion an incredibly unfavorable
>>> contract
>>> >> >> with
>>> >> >> regards to riak assignment to the LNC given the circumstances.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I could be convinced to change my vote to yes, but not until the
>>> >> >> members
>>> >> >> of the CoC get on the same page and start spinning the same story
>>> >> >> consistently at least, rather than insisting the contract is fine
>>> and
>>> >> >> ready
>>> >> >> during public debate but admitting it hasnt been reviewed
>>> privately.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I will also wait until the contract is returned with a favorable
>>> >> >> review
>>> >> >> from our attorney, Mr. Hall.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On a side note, Region 8 will be holding an election for my
>>> >> >> replacement
>>> >> >> electronically next Week, I wish I could say it had been a
>>> pleasure to
>>> >> >> serve with everyone on this board, but unfortunately that would
>>> not be
>>> >> >> displaying the same level of honesty I'll asking of the CoC
>>> members.
>>> >> >> The
>>> >> >> last few months this board has been torn apart with childish
>>> >> >> factionalism
>>> >> >> and idiotic conflicts of personal natures. Many on this board could
>>> >> >> benefit
>>> >> >> from a re-reading of Non-Violent communication, and a realization
>>> that
>>> >> >> you
>>> >> >> dont need to be so quick to throw a noose over the branch at every
>>> >> >> percieved slight. I'm embarrased to have been part of this board
>>> the
>>> >> >> past
>>> >> >> few months, and I'm ashamed for the members of our party who have
>>> to
>>> >> >> explain our conduct.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Regards,
>>> >> >> Justin O'Donnell
>>> >> >> LNC Region 8 Representative
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On May 25, 2020 10:38 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
>>> >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I vote Aye.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> In Liberty,
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Steven Nekhaila
>>> >> >> Region 2 Representative
>>> >> >> Libertarian National Committee
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>>> >> >> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On 2020-05-25 09:56 AM, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> >> >> > I vote yes.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > -Joshua
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > On May 25, 2020 12:11 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>> >> >> > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 31, 2020 at
>>> 11:59:59
>>> >> >> >> pm
>>> >> >> >> Pacific time.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Co-Sponsors:  Bilyeu, Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson,
>>> >> >> >> Merced,
>>> >> >> >> Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> =============================================
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Motion: Move to authorize any Party officer to execute the
>>> Orlando
>>> >> >> >> convention contract recommended by the Convention Oversight
>>> >> >> >> Committee.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> =============================================
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes
>>> here:
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >>
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1074776901
>>> .
>>> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
>>> >> >> >> verification. You
>>> >> >> >> can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the
>>> >> >> >> bottom of
>>> >> >> >> the sheet.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> *  In Liberty,*
>>> >> >> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> >> >> >> Syndrome
>>> >> >> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>> >> >> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>>> >> >> >> anyone
>>> >> >> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>>> >> social
>>> >> >> >> faux
>>> >> >> >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
>>> >> >> >> know.  *
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>> --
>>
>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>
>> --
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
> --

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *