[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200524-01: Authorize Signing of Orlando Contract

Mon May 25 16:02:04 EDT 2020

Mr. Merced already requested my co-signature and I agreed.

75%ish of delegates spoke loudly.  Get this done.

On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:54 PM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> Mrs Harlos, I get that.  I would not want to either.
>
> Ms Mattson, thank you.
>
>   I was aware of that, just thought it would solve some of the
> objections.  Not married to it by any means.  The sigs of 2 officers would
> serve enough for me.  Or majority of the Exec Committee, whatever.
>
> To be clear tho Mr Longstreith's objections are not without merit.
>
>   I am sorry, but people on all sides of this have shown that their desire
> to get their way has impacted their logic, actions, and decision making
> negatively.  As such I agree with some of his concerns and thoughts as well
> as having my own.  I would like to see this motion to be amended in some
> way that would require a more significant approval process for signing,
> even if it is just 2 officers.
>
>
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell 217-412-5973
>
> On May 25, 2020 1:39 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> John, the LNC has delegated the authority for contract negotiation to the
> COC.  We get legal counsel review.  The LNC does not typically approve the
> contract.  That is not part of the usual process.  It wasn't part of the
> process when this LNC chose Reno for 2022 and D.C. for 2024.  This time
> COC
> has chosen to expand the number of eyes on it and share the contract with
> the LNC because of all the political games being played.
>
> All:
>
> I'm going to do another hard read of the contract and our legal counsel's
> comments before the COC meeting tonight.
>
> I know some have been trying to use scare tactics to manipulate the
> delegates with fears about financial risk, etc.
>
> When there is a clause that says our food & beverage requirement is $X, it
> is the legal counsel's job to say, "I want to draw your attention to this
> item, which is a financial risk."  He isn't opining about whether it's a
> reasonable number in the circumstances.  That's for the COC to evaluate,
> and we have.  Our counsel is making sure we are aware of it.  And we are.
> And the number in this contract is very comfortable to the COC.  It is
> WAAAAY lower than the number in a typical convention contract.  Same thing
> with room block attrition.  Yes, it is a non-zero risk, but the COC has
> discussed it in the context of potential low-turnout due to COVID-19, in
> context of historical numbers, and we're very comfortable that we can meet
> these requirements.  When someone portray's counsel's highlight of the
> number to say, "there are concerns" well that's not really a fair
> representation.
>
> People are too willing to fan the flames of hysteria without the
> underlying
> facts.  The facts will be up for discussion on the COC meeting tonight.
> We'll show you historical comparison data.  Then let's get on with it
> because it's only 45 days until the convention needs to call to order in
> Orlando.
>
> -Alicia
>
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 11:01 AM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> > I m not reading through all that today, I did skim.
> >
> > Here is my suggestion.
> >
> > Amend the wording to say "upon LNC approval of the contract with *insert
> > venue name here* we authorize execution of the contract by signature of
> two
> > (2) elected party officers ..."
> >
> > Ensures contract approval first, lets us move ahead with this, and
> > provides a check by requiring 2 sigs.
> >
> > It doesn't have to be a battle when solutions to the objections are
> easy.
> >
> > John Phillips
> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > Cell 217-412-5973
> >
> > On May 25, 2020 12:15 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > I'm glad he told you Sam, but he didn't tell me or this body. Can you
> > verify those discussions?
> >
> > Because I've heard a lot about what the chair will do in the last two
> > weeks
> > and not a lick of it has come to pass.
> >
> > * Gavel in austin, no matter what
> > * Be amash's VP, then amash dropped out and Sarwark wasn't even
> nominated
> > with enough tokens
> > * Hijack the convention and force everything online
> > Etc
> > Etc
> > Etc
> >
> > Our chair is no saint. I can confirm some of the things that have been
> put
> > out there that atest to his character, but I am tired of fear of what
> our
> > chair might do dictating actions of this board.
> >
> > We have procedures.
> > They should be followed.
> > If they are not, the LNC can then react appropriately.
> >
> > Believe me. I will be one of the first to motion to remove Nick from
> > office
> > if he refuses to sign but just like we had to follow our rules to have
> an
> > in person. We need to follow then now for contract approval.
> >
> > Richard Longstreth
> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > 931.538.9300
> >
> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >
> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:04 Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Richard,
> > >
> > > The Chair told me in no uncertain terms that he would not sign a
> > contract
> > > for an in person convention this year.  This motion does not preclude
> > him
> > > from changing his mind but does allow the LNC an option if he does
> not.
> > > The hotel is not going to keep a block on our rooms forever.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > ---
> > > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> > > Libertarian National Committee
> > > 317-850-0726 Cell
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2020-05-25 12:24, Richard Longstreth wrote:
> > >
> > > I want to be clear here:
> > >
> > > I read this motion  as authorizing any officer to sign the contract
> that
> > > was recommended by the COC. So far we have only the one from Saturday
> as
> > > recommended by them and there are concerns. The time to sign is not
> yet
> > > ripe and the chair indicated he will not be in attendance, not that he
> > will
> > > not sign.
> > >
> > > I think a better way to do this is to have the LNC approve the
> contract
> > > once concerns are resolved, ask Nick to sign, if he refuses, then do
> the
> > > motion we are debating now. I think we are putting the cart before the
> > > horse right now.
> > >
> > > Richard Longstreth
> > > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> > > Libertarian National Committee
> > > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > > 931.538.9300
> > >
> > > Sent from my Mobile Device
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 09:09 sam.goldstein--- via Lnc-business <
> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> The motion Daniel referred to is the AV contract, not the hotel
> > contract.
> > >>
> > >> Sam Goldstein
> > >>
> > >> On May 25, 2020 11:59 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I would suggest that the LNC meet with Oliver Hall, our legal
> council,
> > >> under executive session in order to be briefed on any concerns and
> > >> insights that we should be made aware. At that point, the body could
> > >> consult with the CoC in a separate session, and then come to a
> > >> conclusion on our next course of action. Once we have all of the
> > >> information, from all sides, then we can make the best
> recommendations.
> > >>
> > >> In Liberty,
> > >>
> > >> Steven Nekhaila
> > >> Region 2 Representative
> > >> Libertarian National Committee
> > >>
> > >> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> > >> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> > >>
> > >> On 2020-05-25 11:31 AM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
> > >> > I change my vote to no.
> > >> >
> > >> > This motion came quickly and after combing through and reviewing
> > >> > mountains
> > >> > of emails received throughout this weekend, I see the discrepancies
> > >> > noted
> > >> > by Mr O'Donnell. Further, I misunderstood this motion. I took it to
> > >> > read
> > >> > that any officer could sign when the time was appropriate, not to
> > sign
> > >> > now.
> > >> >
> > >> > While Nick has made it clear that he will not sign the contract to
> me
> > >> > based
> > >> > on his remarks and behavior at the e-convention, authorizing
> anybody
> > to
> > >> > do
> > >> > so right now is a mistake until it is fully finalized and all
> > concerns
> > >> > addressed. If that happens before this vote expires, I will change
> > back
> > >> > to
> > >> > yes. I realize the convention was busy for many and encourage all
> on
> > >> > this
> > >> > body to read the relevant emails to gain a full understanding of
> > where
> > >> > we
> > >> > stand. I don't think we are ready to sign yet.
> > >> >
> > >> > Richard Longstreth
> > >> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
> WY)
> > >> > Libertarian National Committee
> > >> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > >> > 931.538.9300
> > >> >
> > >> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 08:07 justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business <
> > >> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> I vote No
> > >> >>
> > >> >> At 4:17 PM sunday, Mr. Hayes sent us all an email admitting that
> > this
> > >> >> contract had not yet been reviewed. As the revisions had just been
> > >> >> recieved, despite his insistance while speaking during the
> > convention
> > >> >> that
> > >> >> it was rock solid and had been reviewed and cleared.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Mr. Goldstein has been posting on social media and on this list
> > upset
> > >> >> about the leak of confidential contract information, claiming its
> an
> > >> >> issue
> > >> >> because the contract is still being negotiated and we dont have a
> > >> >> final
> > >> >> version yet.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> The contract that was provided to the LNC Via Email on Saturday
> > >> >> morning
> > >> >> was quickly followed by remarks from Mr. Hall, the LNC's retained
> > >> >> council,
> > >> >> advising of what was in his opinion an incredibly unfavorable
> > contract
> > >> >> with
> > >> >> regards to riak assignment to the LNC given the circumstances.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I could be convinced to change my vote to yes, but not until the
> > >> >> members
> > >> >> of the CoC get on the same page and start spinning the same story
> > >> >> consistently at least, rather than insisting the contract is fine
> > and
> > >> >> ready
> > >> >> during public debate but admitting it hasnt been reviewed
> privately.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I will also wait until the contract is returned with a favorable
> > >> >> review
> > >> >> from our attorney, Mr. Hall.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On a side note, Region 8 will be holding an election for my
> > >> >> replacement
> > >> >> electronically next Week, I wish I could say it had been a
> pleasure
> > to
> > >> >> serve with everyone on this board, but unfortunately that would
> not
> > be
> > >> >> displaying the same level of honesty I'll asking of the CoC
> members.
> > >> >> The
> > >> >> last few months this board has been torn apart with childish
> > >> >> factionalism
> > >> >> and idiotic conflicts of personal natures. Many on this board
> could
> > >> >> benefit
> > >> >> from a re-reading of Non-Violent communication, and a realization
> > that
> > >> >> you
> > >> >> dont need to be so quick to throw a noose over the branch at every
> > >> >> percieved slight. I'm embarrased to have been part of this board
> the
> > >> >> past
> > >> >> few months, and I'm ashamed for the members of our party who have
> to
> > >> >> explain our conduct.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Regards,
> > >> >> Justin O'Donnell
> > >> >> LNC Region 8 Representative
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On May 25, 2020 10:38 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> > >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I vote Aye.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> In Liberty,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Steven Nekhaila
> > >> >> Region 2 Representative
> > >> >> Libertarian National Committee
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> > >> >> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On 2020-05-25 09:56 AM, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> > >> >> > I vote yes.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -Joshua
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > On May 25, 2020 12:11 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> > >> >> > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 31, 2020 at
> > 11:59:59
> > >> >> >> pm
> > >> >> >> Pacific time.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Co-Sponsors:  Bilyeu, Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson,
> > >> >> >> Merced,
> > >> >> >> Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> =============================================
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Motion: Move to authorize any Party officer to execute the
> > Orlando
> > >> >> >> convention contract recommended by the Convention Oversight
> > >> >> >> Committee.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> =============================================
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes
> here:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1074776901.
>
> >
> > >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >> Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
> > >> >> >> verification. You
> > >> >> >> can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the
> > >> >> >> bottom of
> > >> >> >> the sheet.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> *  In Liberty,*
> > >> >> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> > >> >> >> Syndrome
> > >> >> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > >> >> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
> If
> > >> >> >> anyone
> > >> >> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> > >> social
> > >> >> >> faux
> > >> >> >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
> > >> >> >> know.  *
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 25, 2020 12:15 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > I'm glad he told you Sam, but he didn't tell me or this body. Can you
> > verify those discussions?
> >
> > Because I've heard a lot about what the chair will do in the last two
> > weeks
> > and not a lick of it has come to pass.
> >
> > * Gavel in austin, no matter what
> > * Be amash's VP, then amash dropped out and Sarwark wasn't even
> nominated
> > with enough tokens
> > * Hijack the convention and force everything online
> > Etc
> > Etc
> > Etc
> >
> > Our chair is no saint. I can confirm some of the things that have been
> put
> > out there that atest to his character, but I am tired of fear of what
> our
> > chair might do dictating actions of this board.
> >
> > We have procedures.
> > They should be followed.
> > If they are not, the LNC can then react appropriately.
> >
> > Believe me. I will be one of the first to motion to remove Nick from
> > office
> > if he refuses to sign but just like we had to follow our rules to have
> an
> > in person. We need to follow then now for contract approval.
> >
> > Richard Longstreth
> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > 931.538.9300
> >
> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >
> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:04 Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Richard,
> > >
> > > The Chair told me in no uncertain terms that he would not sign a
> > contract
> > > for an in person convention this year.  This motion does not preclude
> > him
> > > from changing his mind but does allow the LNC an option if he does
> not.
> > > The hotel is not going to keep a block on our rooms forever.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > ---
> > > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> > > Libertarian National Committee
> > > 317-850-0726 Cell
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2020-05-25 12:24, Richard Longstreth wrote:
> > >
> > > I want to be clear here:
> > >
> > > I read this motion  as authorizing any officer to sign the contract
> that
> > > was recommended by the COC. So far we have only the one from Saturday
> as
> > > recommended by them and there are concerns. The time to sign is not
> yet
> > > ripe and the chair indicated he will not be in attendance, not that he
> > will
> > > not sign.
> > >
> > > I think a better way to do this is to have the LNC approve the
> contract
> > > once concerns are resolved, ask Nick to sign, if he refuses, then do
> the
> > > motion we are debating now. I think we are putting the cart before the
> > > horse right now.
> > >
> > > Richard Longstreth
> > > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> > > Libertarian National Committee
> > > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > > 931.538.9300
> > >
> > > Sent from my Mobile Device
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 09:09 sam.goldstein--- via Lnc-business <
> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> The motion Daniel referred to is the AV contract, not the hotel
> > contract.
> > >>
> > >> Sam Goldstein
> > >>
> > >> On May 25, 2020 11:59 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I would suggest that the LNC meet with Oliver Hall, our legal
> council,
> > >> under executive session in order to be briefed on any concerns and
> > >> insights that we should be made aware. At that point, the body could
> > >> consult with the CoC in a separate session, and then come to a
> > >> conclusion on our next course of action. Once we have all of the
> > >> information, from all sides, then we can make the best
> recommendations.
> > >>
> > >> In Liberty,
> > >>
> > >> Steven Nekhaila
> > >> Region 2 Representative
> > >> Libertarian National Committee
> > >>
> > >> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> > >> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> > >>
> > >> On 2020-05-25 11:31 AM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
> > >> > I change my vote to no.
> > >> >
> > >> > This motion came quickly and after combing through and reviewing
> > >> > mountains
> > >> > of emails received throughout this weekend, I see the discrepancies
> > >> > noted
> > >> > by Mr O'Donnell. Further, I misunderstood this motion. I took it to
> > >> > read
> > >> > that any officer could sign when the time was appropriate, not to
> > sign
> > >> > now.
> > >> >
> > >> > While Nick has made it clear that he will not sign the contract to
> me
> > >> > based
> > >> > on his remarks and behavior at the e-convention, authorizing
> anybody
> > to
> > >> > do
> > >> > so right now is a mistake until it is fully finalized and all
> > concerns
> > >> > addressed. If that happens before this vote expires, I will change
> > back
> > >> > to
> > >> > yes. I realize the convention was busy for many and encourage all
> on
> > >> > this
> > >> > body to read the relevant emails to gain a full understanding of
> > where
> > >> > we
> > >> > stand. I don't think we are ready to sign yet.
> > >> >
> > >> > Richard Longstreth
> > >> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
> WY)
> > >> > Libertarian National Committee
> > >> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > >> > 931.538.9300
> > >> >
> > >> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 08:07 justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business <
> > >> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> I vote No
> > >> >>
> > >> >> At 4:17 PM sunday, Mr. Hayes sent us all an email admitting that
> > this
> > >> >> contract had not yet been reviewed. As the revisions had just been
> > >> >> recieved, despite his insistance while speaking during the
> > convention
> > >> >> that
> > >> >> it was rock solid and had been reviewed and cleared.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Mr. Goldstein has been posting on social media and on this list
> > upset
> > >> >> about the leak of confidential contract information, claiming its
> an
> > >> >> issue
> > >> >> because the contract is still being negotiated and we dont have a
> > >> >> final
> > >> >> version yet.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> The contract that was provided to the LNC Via Email on Saturday
> > >> >> morning
> > >> >> was quickly followed by remarks from Mr. Hall, the LNC's retained
> > >> >> council,
> > >> >> advising of what was in his opinion an incredibly unfavorable
> > contract
> > >> >> with
> > >> >> regards to riak assignment to the LNC given the circumstances.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I could be convinced to change my vote to yes, but not until the
> > >> >> members
> > >> >> of the CoC get on the same page and start spinning the same story
> > >> >> consistently at least, rather than insisting the contract is fine
> > and
> > >> >> ready
> > >> >> during public debate but admitting it hasnt been reviewed
> privately.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I will also wait until the contract is returned with a favorable
> > >> >> review
> > >> >> from our attorney, Mr. Hall.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On a side note, Region 8 will be holding an election for my
> > >> >> replacement
> > >> >> electronically next Week, I wish I could say it had been a
> pleasure
> > to
> > >> >> serve with everyone on this board, but unfortunately that would
> not
> > be
> > >> >> displaying the same level of honesty I'll asking of the CoC
> members.
> > >> >> The
> > >> >> last few months this board has been torn apart with childish
> > >> >> factionalism
> > >> >> and idiotic conflicts of personal natures. Many on this board
> could
> > >> >> benefit
> > >> >> from a re-reading of Non-Violent communication, and a realization
> > that
> > >> >> you
> > >> >> dont need to be so quick to throw a noose over the branch at every
> > >> >> percieved slight. I'm embarrased to have been part of this board
> the
> > >> >> past
> > >> >> few months, and I'm ashamed for the members of our party who have
> to
> > >> >> explain our conduct.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Regards,
> > >> >> Justin O'Donnell
> > >> >> LNC Region 8 Representative
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On May 25, 2020 10:38 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> > >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I vote Aye.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> In Liberty,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Steven Nekhaila
> > >> >> Region 2 Representative
> > >> >> Libertarian National Committee
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> > >> >> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On 2020-05-25 09:56 AM, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> > >> >> > I vote yes.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -Joshua
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > On May 25, 2020 12:11 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> > >> >> > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 31, 2020 at
> > 11:59:59
> > >> >> >> pm
> > >> >> >> Pacific time.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Co-Sponsors:  Bilyeu, Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson,
> > >> >> >> Merced,
> > >> >> >> Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> =============================================
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Motion: Move to authorize any Party officer to execute the
> > Orlando
> > >> >> >> convention contract recommended by the Convention Oversight
> > >> >> >> Committee.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> =============================================
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes
> here:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1074776901.
>
> >
> > >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >> Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
> > >> >> >> verification. You
> > >> >> >> can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the
> > >> >> >> bottom of
> > >> >> >> the sheet.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> *  In Liberty,*
> > >> >> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> > >> >> >> Syndrome
> > >> >> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > >> >> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
> If
> > >> >> >> anyone
> > >> >> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> > >> social
> > >> >> >> faux
> > >> >> >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
> > >> >> >> know.  *
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 25, 2020 12:15 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > I'm glad he told you Sam, but he didn't tell me or this body. Can you
> > verify those discussions?
> >
> > Because I've heard a lot about what the chair will do in the last two
> > weeks
> > and not a lick of it has come to pass.
> >
> > * Gavel in austin, no matter what
> > * Be amash's VP, then amash dropped out and Sarwark wasn't even
> nominated
> > with enough tokens
> > * Hijack the convention and force everything online
> > Etc
> > Etc
> > Etc
> >
> > Our chair is no saint. I can confirm some of the things that have been
> put
> > out there that atest to his character, but I am tired of fear of what
> our
> > chair might do dictating actions of this board.
> >
> > We have procedures.
> > They should be followed.
> > If they are not, the LNC can then react appropriately.
> >
> > Believe me. I will be one of the first to motion to remove Nick from
> > office
> > if he refuses to sign but just like we had to follow our rules to have
> an
> > in person. We need to follow then now for contract approval.
> >
> > Richard Longstreth
> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > 931.538.9300
> >
> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >
> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:04 Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Richard,
> > >
> > > The Chair told me in no uncertain terms that he would not sign a
> > contract
> > > for an in person convention this year.  This motion does not preclude
> > him
> > > from changing his mind but does allow the LNC an option if he does
> not.
> > > The hotel is not going to keep a block on our rooms forever.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > ---
> > > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> > > Libertarian National Committee
> > > 317-850-0726 Cell
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2020-05-25 12:24, Richard Longstreth wrote:
> > >
> > > I want to be clear here:
> > >
> > > I read this motion  as authorizing any officer to sign the contract
> that
> > > was recommended by the COC. So far we have only the one from Saturday
> as
> > > recommended by them and there are concerns. The time to sign is not
> yet
> > > ripe and the chair indicated he will not be in attendance, not that he
> > will
> > > not sign.
> > >
> > > I think a better way to do this is to have the LNC approve the
> contract
> > > once concerns are resolved, ask Nick to sign, if he refuses, then do
> the
> > > motion we are debating now. I think we are putting the cart before the
> > > horse right now.
> > >
> > > Richard Longstreth
> > > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> > > Libertarian National Committee
> > > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > > 931.538.9300
> > >
> > > Sent from my Mobile Device
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 09:09 sam.goldstein--- via Lnc-business <
> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> The motion Daniel referred to is the AV contract, not the hotel
> > contract.
> > >>
> > >> Sam Goldstein
> > >>
> > >> On May 25, 2020 11:59 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I would suggest that the LNC meet with Oliver Hall, our legal
> council,
> > >> under executive session in order to be briefed on any concerns and
> > >> insights that we should be made aware. At that point, the body could
> > >> consult with the CoC in a separate session, and then come to a
> > >> conclusion on our next course of action. Once we have all of the
> > >> information, from all sides, then we can make the best
> recommendations.
> > >>
> > >> In Liberty,
> > >>
> > >> Steven Nekhaila
> > >> Region 2 Representative
> > >> Libertarian National Committee
> > >>
> > >> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> > >> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> > >>
> > >> On 2020-05-25 11:31 AM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
> > >> > I change my vote to no.
> > >> >
> > >> > This motion came quickly and after combing through and reviewing
> > >> > mountains
> > >> > of emails received throughout this weekend, I see the discrepancies
> > >> > noted
> > >> > by Mr O'Donnell. Further, I misunderstood this motion. I took it to
> > >> > read
> > >> > that any officer could sign when the time was appropriate, not to
> > sign
> > >> > now.
> > >> >
> > >> > While Nick has made it clear that he will not sign the contract to
> me
> > >> > based
> > >> > on his remarks and behavior at the e-convention, authorizing
> anybody
> > to
> > >> > do
> > >> > so right now is a mistake until it is fully finalized and all
> > concerns
> > >> > addressed. If that happens before this vote expires, I will change
> > back
> > >> > to
> > >> > yes. I realize the convention was busy for many and encourage all
> on
> > >> > this
> > >> > body to read the relevant emails to gain a full understanding of
> > where
> > >> > we
> > >> > stand. I don't think we are ready to sign yet.
> > >> >
> > >> > Richard Longstreth
> > >> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
> WY)
> > >> > Libertarian National Committee
> > >> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > >> > 931.538.9300
> > >> >
> > >> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 08:07 justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business <
> > >> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> I vote No
> > >> >>
> > >> >> At 4:17 PM sunday, Mr. Hayes sent us all an email admitting that
> > this
> > >> >> contract had not yet been reviewed. As the revisions had just been
> > >> >> recieved, despite his insistance while speaking during the
> > convention
> > >> >> that
> > >> >> it was rock solid and had been reviewed and cleared.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Mr. Goldstein has been posting on social media and on this list
> > upset
> > >> >> about the leak of confidential contract information, claiming its
> an
> > >> >> issue
> > >> >> because the contract is still being negotiated and we dont have a
> > >> >> final
> > >> >> version yet.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> The contract that was provided to the LNC Via Email on Saturday
> > >> >> morning
> > >> >> was quickly followed by remarks from Mr. Hall, the LNC's retained
> > >> >> council,
> > >> >> advising of what was in his opinion an incredibly unfavorable
> > contract
> > >> >> with
> > >> >> regards to riak assignment to the LNC given the circumstances.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I could be convinced to change my vote to yes, but not until the
> > >> >> members
> > >> >> of the CoC get on the same page and start spinning the same story
> > >> >> consistently at least, rather than insisting the contract is fine
> > and
> > >> >> ready
> > >> >> during public debate but admitting it hasnt been reviewed
> privately.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I will also wait until the contract is returned with a favorable
> > >> >> review
> > >> >> from our attorney, Mr. Hall.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On a side note, Region 8 will be holding an election for my
> > >> >> replacement
> > >> >> electronically next Week, I wish I could say it had been a
> pleasure
> > to
> > >> >> serve with everyone on this board, but unfortunately that would
> not
> > be
> > >> >> displaying the same level of honesty I'll asking of the CoC
> members.
> > >> >> The
> > >> >> last few months this board has been torn apart with childish
> > >> >> factionalism
> > >> >> and idiotic conflicts of personal natures. Many on this board
> could
> > >> >> benefit
> > >> >> from a re-reading of Non-Violent communication, and a realization
> > that
> > >> >> you
> > >> >> dont need to be so quick to throw a noose over the branch at every
> > >> >> percieved slight. I'm embarrased to have been part of this board
> the
> > >> >> past
> > >> >> few months, and I'm ashamed for the members of our party who have
> to
> > >> >> explain our conduct.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Regards,
> > >> >> Justin O'Donnell
> > >> >> LNC Region 8 Representative
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On May 25, 2020 10:38 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> > >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I vote Aye.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> In Liberty,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Steven Nekhaila
> > >> >> Region 2 Representative
> > >> >> Libertarian National Committee
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> > >> >> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On 2020-05-25 09:56 AM, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> > >> >> > I vote yes.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -Joshua
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > On May 25, 2020 12:11 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> > >> >> > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 31, 2020 at
> > 11:59:59
> > >> >> >> pm
> > >> >> >> Pacific time.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Co-Sponsors:  Bilyeu, Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson,
> > >> >> >> Merced,
> > >> >> >> Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> =============================================
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Motion: Move to authorize any Party officer to execute the
> > Orlando
> > >> >> >> convention contract recommended by the Convention Oversight
> > >> >> >> Committee.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> =============================================
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes
> here:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1074776901.
>
> >
> > >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >> Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
> > >> >> >> verification. You
> > >> >> >> can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the
> > >> >> >> bottom of
> > >> >> >> the sheet.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> *  In Liberty,*
> > >> >> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> > >> >> >> Syndrome
> > >> >> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > >> >> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
> If
> > >> >> >> anyone
> > >> >> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> > >> social
> > >> >> >> faux
> > >> >> >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
> > >> >> >> know.  *
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *