[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200524-01: Authorize Signing of Orlando Contract

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

Mr. Goldstein, I believe you.

I wish more people would start seeing the writing on the wall.

On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 2:02 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Mr. Merced already requested my co-signature and I agreed.
>
> 75%ish of delegates spoke loudly.  Get this done.
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:54 PM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Mrs Harlos, I get that.  I would not want to either.
>>
>> Ms Mattson, thank you.
>>
>>   I was aware of that, just thought it would solve some of the
>> objections.  Not married to it by any means.  The sigs of 2 officers would
>> serve enough for me.  Or majority of the Exec Committee, whatever.
>>
>> To be clear tho Mr Longstreith's objections are not without merit.
>>
>>   I am sorry, but people on all sides of this have shown that their
>> desire to get their way has impacted their logic, actions, and decision
>> making negatively.  As such I agree with some of his concerns and thoughts
>> as well as having my own.  I would like to see this motion to be amended in
>> some way that would require a more significant approval process for
>> signing, even if it is just 2 officers.
>>
>>
>> John Phillips
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>
>> On May 25, 2020 1:39 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> John, the LNC has delegated the authority for contract negotiation to the
>> COC.  We get legal counsel review.  The LNC does not typically approve
>> the
>> contract.  That is not part of the usual process.  It wasn't part of the
>> process when this LNC chose Reno for 2022 and D.C. for 2024.  This time
>> COC
>> has chosen to expand the number of eyes on it and share the contract with
>> the LNC because of all the political games being played.
>>
>> All:
>>
>> I'm going to do another hard read of the contract and our legal counsel's
>> comments before the COC meeting tonight.
>>
>> I know some have been trying to use scare tactics to manipulate the
>> delegates with fears about financial risk, etc.
>>
>> When there is a clause that says our food & beverage requirement is $X,
>> it
>> is the legal counsel's job to say, "I want to draw your attention to this
>> item, which is a financial risk."  He isn't opining about whether it's a
>> reasonable number in the circumstances.  That's for the COC to evaluate,
>> and we have.  Our counsel is making sure we are aware of it.  And we are.
>> And the number in this contract is very comfortable to the COC.  It is
>> WAAAAY lower than the number in a typical convention contract.  Same
>> thing
>> with room block attrition.  Yes, it is a non-zero risk, but the COC has
>> discussed it in the context of potential low-turnout due to COVID-19, in
>> context of historical numbers, and we're very comfortable that we can
>> meet
>> these requirements.  When someone portray's counsel's highlight of the
>> number to say, "there are concerns" well that's not really a fair
>> representation.
>>
>> People are too willing to fan the flames of hysteria without the
>> underlying
>> facts.  The facts will be up for discussion on the COC meeting tonight.
>> We'll show you historical comparison data.  Then let's get on with it
>> because it's only 45 days until the convention needs to call to order in
>> Orlando.
>>
>> -Alicia
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 11:01 AM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> > I m not reading through all that today, I did skim.
>> >
>> > Here is my suggestion.
>> >
>> > Amend the wording to say "upon LNC approval of the contract with
>> *insert
>> > venue name here* we authorize execution of the contract by signature of
>> two
>> > (2) elected party officers ..."
>> >
>> > Ensures contract approval first, lets us move ahead with this, and
>> > provides a check by requiring 2 sigs.
>> >
>> > It doesn't have to be a battle when solutions to the objections are
>> easy.
>> >
>> > John Phillips
>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> > Cell 217-412-5973
>> >
>> > On May 25, 2020 12:15 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm glad he told you Sam, but he didn't tell me or this body. Can you
>> > verify those discussions?
>> >
>> > Because I've heard a lot about what the chair will do in the last two
>> > weeks
>> > and not a lick of it has come to pass.
>> >
>> > * Gavel in austin, no matter what
>> > * Be amash's VP, then amash dropped out and Sarwark wasn't even
>> nominated
>> > with enough tokens
>> > * Hijack the convention and force everything online
>> > Etc
>> > Etc
>> > Etc
>> >
>> > Our chair is no saint. I can confirm some of the things that have been
>> put
>> > out there that atest to his character, but I am tired of fear of what
>> our
>> > chair might do dictating actions of this board.
>> >
>> > We have procedures.
>> > They should be followed.
>> > If they are not, the LNC can then react appropriately.
>> >
>> > Believe me. I will be one of the first to motion to remove Nick from
>> > office
>> > if he refuses to sign but just like we had to follow our rules to have
>> an
>> > in person. We need to follow then now for contract approval.
>> >
>> > Richard Longstreth
>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > 931.538.9300
>> >
>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >
>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:04 Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Richard,
>> > >
>> > > The Chair told me in no uncertain terms that he would not sign a
>> > contract
>> > > for an in person convention this year.  This motion does not preclude
>> > him
>> > > from changing his mind but does allow the LNC an option if he does
>> not.
>> > > The hotel is not going to keep a block on our rooms forever.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Sincerely,
>> > > ---
>> > > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> > > Libertarian National Committee
>> > > 317-850-0726 Cell
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 2020-05-25 12:24, Richard Longstreth wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I want to be clear here:
>> > >
>> > > I read this motion  as authorizing any officer to sign the contract
>> that
>> > > was recommended by the COC. So far we have only the one from Saturday
>> as
>> > > recommended by them and there are concerns. The time to sign is not
>> yet
>> > > ripe and the chair indicated he will not be in attendance, not that
>> he
>> > will
>> > > not sign.
>> > >
>> > > I think a better way to do this is to have the LNC approve the
>> contract
>> > > once concerns are resolved, ask Nick to sign, if he refuses, then do
>> the
>> > > motion we are debating now. I think we are putting the cart before
>> the
>> > > horse right now.
>> > >
>> > > Richard Longstreth
>> > > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> > > Libertarian National Committee
>> > > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > > 931.538.9300
>> > >
>> > > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 09:09 sam.goldstein--- via Lnc-business <
>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> The motion Daniel referred to is the AV contract, not the hotel
>> > contract.
>> > >>
>> > >> Sam Goldstein
>> > >>
>> > >> On May 25, 2020 11:59 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
>> > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> I would suggest that the LNC meet with Oliver Hall, our legal
>> council,
>> > >> under executive session in order to be briefed on any concerns and
>> > >> insights that we should be made aware. At that point, the body could
>> > >> consult with the CoC in a separate session, and then come to a
>> > >> conclusion on our next course of action. Once we have all of the
>> > >> information, from all sides, then we can make the best
>> recommendations.
>> > >>
>> > >> In Liberty,
>> > >>
>> > >> Steven Nekhaila
>> > >> Region 2 Representative
>> > >> Libertarian National Committee
>> > >>
>> > >> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>> > >> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>> > >>
>> > >> On 2020-05-25 11:31 AM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > >> > I change my vote to no.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > This motion came quickly and after combing through and reviewing
>> > >> > mountains
>> > >> > of emails received throughout this weekend, I see the
>> discrepancies
>> > >> > noted
>> > >> > by Mr O'Donnell. Further, I misunderstood this motion. I took it
>> to
>> > >> > read
>> > >> > that any officer could sign when the time was appropriate, not to
>> > sign
>> > >> > now.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > While Nick has made it clear that he will not sign the contract to
>> me
>> > >> > based
>> > >> > on his remarks and behavior at the e-convention, authorizing
>> anybody
>> > to
>> > >> > do
>> > >> > so right now is a mistake until it is fully finalized and all
>> > concerns
>> > >> > addressed. If that happens before this vote expires, I will change
>> > back
>> > >> > to
>> > >> > yes. I realize the convention was busy for many and encourage all
>> on
>> > >> > this
>> > >> > body to read the relevant emails to gain a full understanding of
>> > where
>> > >> > we
>> > >> > stand. I don't think we are ready to sign yet.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Richard Longstreth
>> > >> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
>> WY)
>> > >> > Libertarian National Committee
>> > >> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > >> > 931.538.9300
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 08:07 justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business <
>> > >> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> I vote No
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> At 4:17 PM sunday, Mr. Hayes sent us all an email admitting that
>> > this
>> > >> >> contract had not yet been reviewed. As the revisions had just
>> been
>> > >> >> recieved, despite his insistance while speaking during the
>> > convention
>> > >> >> that
>> > >> >> it was rock solid and had been reviewed and cleared.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Mr. Goldstein has been posting on social media and on this list
>> > upset
>> > >> >> about the leak of confidential contract information, claiming its
>> an
>> > >> >> issue
>> > >> >> because the contract is still being negotiated and we dont have a
>> > >> >> final
>> > >> >> version yet.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> The contract that was provided to the LNC Via Email on Saturday
>> > >> >> morning
>> > >> >> was quickly followed by remarks from Mr. Hall, the LNC's retained
>> > >> >> council,
>> > >> >> advising of what was in his opinion an incredibly unfavorable
>> > contract
>> > >> >> with
>> > >> >> regards to riak assignment to the LNC given the circumstances.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> I could be convinced to change my vote to yes, but not until the
>> > >> >> members
>> > >> >> of the CoC get on the same page and start spinning the same story
>> > >> >> consistently at least, rather than insisting the contract is fine
>> > and
>> > >> >> ready
>> > >> >> during public debate but admitting it hasnt been reviewed
>> privately.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> I will also wait until the contract is returned with a favorable
>> > >> >> review
>> > >> >> from our attorney, Mr. Hall.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On a side note, Region 8 will be holding an election for my
>> > >> >> replacement
>> > >> >> electronically next Week, I wish I could say it had been a
>> pleasure
>> > to
>> > >> >> serve with everyone on this board, but unfortunately that would
>> not
>> > be
>> > >> >> displaying the same level of honesty I'll asking of the CoC
>> members.
>> > >> >> The
>> > >> >> last few months this board has been torn apart with childish
>> > >> >> factionalism
>> > >> >> and idiotic conflicts of personal natures. Many on this board
>> could
>> > >> >> benefit
>> > >> >> from a re-reading of Non-Violent communication, and a realization
>> > that
>> > >> >> you
>> > >> >> dont need to be so quick to throw a noose over the branch at
>> every
>> > >> >> percieved slight. I'm embarrased to have been part of this board
>> the
>> > >> >> past
>> > >> >> few months, and I'm ashamed for the members of our party who have
>> to
>> > >> >> explain our conduct.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Regards,
>> > >> >> Justin O'Donnell
>> > >> >> LNC Region 8 Representative
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On May 25, 2020 10:38 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
>> > >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> I vote Aye.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> In Liberty,
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Steven Nekhaila
>> > >> >> Region 2 Representative
>> > >> >> Libertarian National Committee
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>> > >> >> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On 2020-05-25 09:56 AM, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > >> >> > I vote yes.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > -Joshua
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > On May 25, 2020 12:11 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> > >> >> > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 31, 2020 at
>> > 11:59:59
>> > >> >> >> pm
>> > >> >> >> Pacific time.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Co-Sponsors:  Bilyeu, Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson,
>> > >> >> >> Merced,
>> > >> >> >> Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> =============================================
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Motion: Move to authorize any Party officer to execute the
>> > Orlando
>> > >> >> >> convention contract recommended by the Convention Oversight
>> > >> >> >> Committee.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> =============================================
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes
>> here:
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1074776901.
>>
>> >
>> > >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
>> > >> >> >> verification. You
>> > >> >> >> can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at
>> the
>> > >> >> >> bottom of
>> > >> >> >> the sheet.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> *  In Liberty,*
>> > >> >> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> > >> >> >> Syndrome
>> > >> >> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > >> >> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
>> If
>> > >> >> >> anyone
>> > >> >> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> > >> social
>> > >> >> >> faux
>> > >> >> >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let
>> me
>> > >> >> >> know.  *
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On May 25, 2020 12:15 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm glad he told you Sam, but he didn't tell me or this body. Can you
>> > verify those discussions?
>> >
>> > Because I've heard a lot about what the chair will do in the last two
>> > weeks
>> > and not a lick of it has come to pass.
>> >
>> > * Gavel in austin, no matter what
>> > * Be amash's VP, then amash dropped out and Sarwark wasn't even
>> nominated
>> > with enough tokens
>> > * Hijack the convention and force everything online
>> > Etc
>> > Etc
>> > Etc
>> >
>> > Our chair is no saint. I can confirm some of the things that have been
>> put
>> > out there that atest to his character, but I am tired of fear of what
>> our
>> > chair might do dictating actions of this board.
>> >
>> > We have procedures.
>> > They should be followed.
>> > If they are not, the LNC can then react appropriately.
>> >
>> > Believe me. I will be one of the first to motion to remove Nick from
>> > office
>> > if he refuses to sign but just like we had to follow our rules to have
>> an
>> > in person. We need to follow then now for contract approval.
>> >
>> > Richard Longstreth
>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > 931.538.9300
>> >
>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >
>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:04 Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Richard,
>> > >
>> > > The Chair told me in no uncertain terms that he would not sign a
>> > contract
>> > > for an in person convention this year.  This motion does not preclude
>> > him
>> > > from changing his mind but does allow the LNC an option if he does
>> not.
>> > > The hotel is not going to keep a block on our rooms forever.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Sincerely,
>> > > ---
>> > > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> > > Libertarian National Committee
>> > > 317-850-0726 Cell
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 2020-05-25 12:24, Richard Longstreth wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I want to be clear here:
>> > >
>> > > I read this motion  as authorizing any officer to sign the contract
>> that
>> > > was recommended by the COC. So far we have only the one from Saturday
>> as
>> > > recommended by them and there are concerns. The time to sign is not
>> yet
>> > > ripe and the chair indicated he will not be in attendance, not that
>> he
>> > will
>> > > not sign.
>> > >
>> > > I think a better way to do this is to have the LNC approve the
>> contract
>> > > once concerns are resolved, ask Nick to sign, if he refuses, then do
>> the
>> > > motion we are debating now. I think we are putting the cart before
>> the
>> > > horse right now.
>> > >
>> > > Richard Longstreth
>> > > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> > > Libertarian National Committee
>> > > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > > 931.538.9300
>> > >
>> > > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 09:09 sam.goldstein--- via Lnc-business <
>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> The motion Daniel referred to is the AV contract, not the hotel
>> > contract.
>> > >>
>> > >> Sam Goldstein
>> > >>
>> > >> On May 25, 2020 11:59 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
>> > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> I would suggest that the LNC meet with Oliver Hall, our legal
>> council,
>> > >> under executive session in order to be briefed on any concerns and
>> > >> insights that we should be made aware. At that point, the body could
>> > >> consult with the CoC in a separate session, and then come to a
>> > >> conclusion on our next course of action. Once we have all of the
>> > >> information, from all sides, then we can make the best
>> recommendations.
>> > >>
>> > >> In Liberty,
>> > >>
>> > >> Steven Nekhaila
>> > >> Region 2 Representative
>> > >> Libertarian National Committee
>> > >>
>> > >> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>> > >> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>> > >>
>> > >> On 2020-05-25 11:31 AM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > >> > I change my vote to no.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > This motion came quickly and after combing through and reviewing
>> > >> > mountains
>> > >> > of emails received throughout this weekend, I see the
>> discrepancies
>> > >> > noted
>> > >> > by Mr O'Donnell. Further, I misunderstood this motion. I took it
>> to
>> > >> > read
>> > >> > that any officer could sign when the time was appropriate, not to
>> > sign
>> > >> > now.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > While Nick has made it clear that he will not sign the contract to
>> me
>> > >> > based
>> > >> > on his remarks and behavior at the e-convention, authorizing
>> anybody
>> > to
>> > >> > do
>> > >> > so right now is a mistake until it is fully finalized and all
>> > concerns
>> > >> > addressed. If that happens before this vote expires, I will change
>> > back
>> > >> > to
>> > >> > yes. I realize the convention was busy for many and encourage all
>> on
>> > >> > this
>> > >> > body to read the relevant emails to gain a full understanding of
>> > where
>> > >> > we
>> > >> > stand. I don't think we are ready to sign yet.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Richard Longstreth
>> > >> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
>> WY)
>> > >> > Libertarian National Committee
>> > >> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > >> > 931.538.9300
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 08:07 justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business <
>> > >> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> I vote No
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> At 4:17 PM sunday, Mr. Hayes sent us all an email admitting that
>> > this
>> > >> >> contract had not yet been reviewed. As the revisions had just
>> been
>> > >> >> recieved, despite his insistance while speaking during the
>> > convention
>> > >> >> that
>> > >> >> it was rock solid and had been reviewed and cleared.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Mr. Goldstein has been posting on social media and on this list
>> > upset
>> > >> >> about the leak of confidential contract information, claiming its
>> an
>> > >> >> issue
>> > >> >> because the contract is still being negotiated and we dont have a
>> > >> >> final
>> > >> >> version yet.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> The contract that was provided to the LNC Via Email on Saturday
>> > >> >> morning
>> > >> >> was quickly followed by remarks from Mr. Hall, the LNC's retained
>> > >> >> council,
>> > >> >> advising of what was in his opinion an incredibly unfavorable
>> > contract
>> > >> >> with
>> > >> >> regards to riak assignment to the LNC given the circumstances.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> I could be convinced to change my vote to yes, but not until the
>> > >> >> members
>> > >> >> of the CoC get on the same page and start spinning the same story
>> > >> >> consistently at least, rather than insisting the contract is fine
>> > and
>> > >> >> ready
>> > >> >> during public debate but admitting it hasnt been reviewed
>> privately.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> I will also wait until the contract is returned with a favorable
>> > >> >> review
>> > >> >> from our attorney, Mr. Hall.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On a side note, Region 8 will be holding an election for my
>> > >> >> replacement
>> > >> >> electronically next Week, I wish I could say it had been a
>> pleasure
>> > to
>> > >> >> serve with everyone on this board, but unfortunately that would
>> not
>> > be
>> > >> >> displaying the same level of honesty I'll asking of the CoC
>> members.
>> > >> >> The
>> > >> >> last few months this board has been torn apart with childish
>> > >> >> factionalism
>> > >> >> and idiotic conflicts of personal natures. Many on this board
>> could
>> > >> >> benefit
>> > >> >> from a re-reading of Non-Violent communication, and a realization
>> > that
>> > >> >> you
>> > >> >> dont need to be so quick to throw a noose over the branch at
>> every
>> > >> >> percieved slight. I'm embarrased to have been part of this board
>> the
>> > >> >> past
>> > >> >> few months, and I'm ashamed for the members of our party who have
>> to
>> > >> >> explain our conduct.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Regards,
>> > >> >> Justin O'Donnell
>> > >> >> LNC Region 8 Representative
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On May 25, 2020 10:38 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
>> > >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> I vote Aye.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> In Liberty,
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Steven Nekhaila
>> > >> >> Region 2 Representative
>> > >> >> Libertarian National Committee
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>> > >> >> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On 2020-05-25 09:56 AM, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > >> >> > I vote yes.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > -Joshua
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > On May 25, 2020 12:11 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> > >> >> > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 31, 2020 at
>> > 11:59:59
>> > >> >> >> pm
>> > >> >> >> Pacific time.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Co-Sponsors:  Bilyeu, Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson,
>> > >> >> >> Merced,
>> > >> >> >> Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> =============================================
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Motion: Move to authorize any Party officer to execute the
>> > Orlando
>> > >> >> >> convention contract recommended by the Convention Oversight
>> > >> >> >> Committee.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> =============================================
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes
>> here:
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1074776901.
>>
>> >
>> > >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
>> > >> >> >> verification. You
>> > >> >> >> can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at
>> the
>> > >> >> >> bottom of
>> > >> >> >> the sheet.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> *  In Liberty,*
>> > >> >> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> > >> >> >> Syndrome
>> > >> >> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > >> >> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
>> If
>> > >> >> >> anyone
>> > >> >> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> > >> social
>> > >> >> >> faux
>> > >> >> >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let
>> me
>> > >> >> >> know.  *
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On May 25, 2020 12:15 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm glad he told you Sam, but he didn't tell me or this body. Can you
>> > verify those discussions?
>> >
>> > Because I've heard a lot about what the chair will do in the last two
>> > weeks
>> > and not a lick of it has come to pass.
>> >
>> > * Gavel in austin, no matter what
>> > * Be amash's VP, then amash dropped out and Sarwark wasn't even
>> nominated
>> > with enough tokens
>> > * Hijack the convention and force everything online
>> > Etc
>> > Etc
>> > Etc
>> >
>> > Our chair is no saint. I can confirm some of the things that have been
>> put
>> > out there that atest to his character, but I am tired of fear of what
>> our
>> > chair might do dictating actions of this board.
>> >
>> > We have procedures.
>> > They should be followed.
>> > If they are not, the LNC can then react appropriately.
>> >
>> > Believe me. I will be one of the first to motion to remove Nick from
>> > office
>> > if he refuses to sign but just like we had to follow our rules to have
>> an
>> > in person. We need to follow then now for contract approval.
>> >
>> > Richard Longstreth
>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > 931.538.9300
>> >
>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >
>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:04 Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Richard,
>> > >
>> > > The Chair told me in no uncertain terms that he would not sign a
>> > contract
>> > > for an in person convention this year.  This motion does not preclude
>> > him
>> > > from changing his mind but does allow the LNC an option if he does
>> not.
>> > > The hotel is not going to keep a block on our rooms forever.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Sincerely,
>> > > ---
>> > > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> > > Libertarian National Committee
>> > > 317-850-0726 Cell
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 2020-05-25 12:24, Richard Longstreth wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I want to be clear here:
>> > >
>> > > I read this motion  as authorizing any officer to sign the contract
>> that
>> > > was recommended by the COC. So far we have only the one from Saturday
>> as
>> > > recommended by them and there are concerns. The time to sign is not
>> yet
>> > > ripe and the chair indicated he will not be in attendance, not that
>> he
>> > will
>> > > not sign.
>> > >
>> > > I think a better way to do this is to have the LNC approve the
>> contract
>> > > once concerns are resolved, ask Nick to sign, if he refuses, then do
>> the
>> > > motion we are debating now. I think we are putting the cart before
>> the
>> > > horse right now.
>> > >
>> > > Richard Longstreth
>> > > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> > > Libertarian National Committee
>> > > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > > 931.538.9300
>> > >
>> > > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 09:09 sam.goldstein--- via Lnc-business <
>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> The motion Daniel referred to is the AV contract, not the hotel
>> > contract.
>> > >>
>> > >> Sam Goldstein
>> > >>
>> > >> On May 25, 2020 11:59 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
>> > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> I would suggest that the LNC meet with Oliver Hall, our legal
>> council,
>> > >> under executive session in order to be briefed on any concerns and
>> > >> insights that we should be made aware. At that point, the body could
>> > >> consult with the CoC in a separate session, and then come to a
>> > >> conclusion on our next course of action. Once we have all of the
>> > >> information, from all sides, then we can make the best
>> recommendations.
>> > >>
>> > >> In Liberty,
>> > >>
>> > >> Steven Nekhaila
>> > >> Region 2 Representative
>> > >> Libertarian National Committee
>> > >>
>> > >> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>> > >> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>> > >>
>> > >> On 2020-05-25 11:31 AM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > >> > I change my vote to no.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > This motion came quickly and after combing through and reviewing
>> > >> > mountains
>> > >> > of emails received throughout this weekend, I see the
>> discrepancies
>> > >> > noted
>> > >> > by Mr O'Donnell. Further, I misunderstood this motion. I took it
>> to
>> > >> > read
>> > >> > that any officer could sign when the time was appropriate, not to
>> > sign
>> > >> > now.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > While Nick has made it clear that he will not sign the contract to
>> me
>> > >> > based
>> > >> > on his remarks and behavior at the e-convention, authorizing
>> anybody
>> > to
>> > >> > do
>> > >> > so right now is a mistake until it is fully finalized and all
>> > concerns
>> > >> > addressed. If that happens before this vote expires, I will change
>> > back
>> > >> > to
>> > >> > yes. I realize the convention was busy for many and encourage all
>> on
>> > >> > this
>> > >> > body to read the relevant emails to gain a full understanding of
>> > where
>> > >> > we
>> > >> > stand. I don't think we are ready to sign yet.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Richard Longstreth
>> > >> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
>> WY)
>> > >> > Libertarian National Committee
>> > >> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > >> > 931.538.9300
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 08:07 justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business <
>> > >> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> I vote No
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> At 4:17 PM sunday, Mr. Hayes sent us all an email admitting that
>> > this
>> > >> >> contract had not yet been reviewed. As the revisions had just
>> been
>> > >> >> recieved, despite his insistance while speaking during the
>> > convention
>> > >> >> that
>> > >> >> it was rock solid and had been reviewed and cleared.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Mr. Goldstein has been posting on social media and on this list
>> > upset
>> > >> >> about the leak of confidential contract information, claiming its
>> an
>> > >> >> issue
>> > >> >> because the contract is still being negotiated and we dont have a
>> > >> >> final
>> > >> >> version yet.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> The contract that was provided to the LNC Via Email on Saturday
>> > >> >> morning
>> > >> >> was quickly followed by remarks from Mr. Hall, the LNC's retained
>> > >> >> council,
>> > >> >> advising of what was in his opinion an incredibly unfavorable
>> > contract
>> > >> >> with
>> > >> >> regards to riak assignment to the LNC given the circumstances.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> I could be convinced to change my vote to yes, but not until the
>> > >> >> members
>> > >> >> of the CoC get on the same page and start spinning the same story
>> > >> >> consistently at least, rather than insisting the contract is fine
>> > and
>> > >> >> ready
>> > >> >> during public debate but admitting it hasnt been reviewed
>> privately.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> I will also wait until the contract is returned with a favorable
>> > >> >> review
>> > >> >> from our attorney, Mr. Hall.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On a side note, Region 8 will be holding an election for my
>> > >> >> replacement
>> > >> >> electronically next Week, I wish I could say it had been a
>> pleasure
>> > to
>> > >> >> serve with everyone on this board, but unfortunately that would
>> not
>> > be
>> > >> >> displaying the same level of honesty I'll asking of the CoC
>> members.
>> > >> >> The
>> > >> >> last few months this board has been torn apart with childish
>> > >> >> factionalism
>> > >> >> and idiotic conflicts of personal natures. Many on this board
>> could
>> > >> >> benefit
>> > >> >> from a re-reading of Non-Violent communication, and a realization
>> > that
>> > >> >> you
>> > >> >> dont need to be so quick to throw a noose over the branch at
>> every
>> > >> >> percieved slight. I'm embarrased to have been part of this board
>> the
>> > >> >> past
>> > >> >> few months, and I'm ashamed for the members of our party who have
>> to
>> > >> >> explain our conduct.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Regards,
>> > >> >> Justin O'Donnell
>> > >> >> LNC Region 8 Representative
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On May 25, 2020 10:38 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
>> > >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> I vote Aye.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> In Liberty,
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Steven Nekhaila
>> > >> >> Region 2 Representative
>> > >> >> Libertarian National Committee
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>> > >> >> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On 2020-05-25 09:56 AM, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > >> >> > I vote yes.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > -Joshua
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > On May 25, 2020 12:11 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> > >> >> > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 31, 2020 at
>> > 11:59:59
>> > >> >> >> pm
>> > >> >> >> Pacific time.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Co-Sponsors:  Bilyeu, Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson,
>> > >> >> >> Merced,
>> > >> >> >> Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> =============================================
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Motion: Move to authorize any Party officer to execute the
>> > Orlando
>> > >> >> >> convention contract recommended by the Convention Oversight
>> > >> >> >> Committee.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> =============================================
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes
>> here:
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1074776901.
>>
>> >
>> > >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
>> > >> >> >> verification. You
>> > >> >> >> can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at
>> the
>> > >> >> >> bottom of
>> > >> >> >> the sheet.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> *  In Liberty,*
>> > >> >> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> > >> >> >> Syndrome
>> > >> >> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > >> >> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
>> If
>> > >> >> >> anyone
>> > >> >> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> > >> social
>> > >> >> >> faux
>> > >> >> >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let
>> me
>> > >> >> >> know.  *
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
> --

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *