[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200524-01: Authorize Signing of Orlando Contract

[Elizabeth Van Horn]

I haven't seen anything like that on social media either.  Would also be 
interested in a link.

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Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)




On 2020-05-26 16:18, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
> I would like to if at all possible. Could you also link the social 
> media
> post, I've not seen it.
> 
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 931.538.9300
> 
> Sent from my Mobile Device
> 
> On Tue, May 26, 2020, 08:37 Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> the Chair indicated publicly on social media yesterday he would not 
>> sign.
>> Further, this expires the day before the contract must be signed.  
>> Unless
>> you say you are giving him the opportunity prior to expiration.
>> 
>> *In Liberty,*
>> 
>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If 
>> anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social 
>> faux
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 9:17 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> The only remaining concern I have is that Nick needs to be given the
>>> opportunity to sign before I vote Yes on this, as expressed on the 
>>> COC
>>> call
>>> last night.
>>> 
>>> Richard Longstreth
>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 931.538.9300
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>>> 
>>> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 20:43 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> > I believe my concerns have all been covered. Yes.
>>> >
>>> > John Phillips
>>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>> > Cell 217-412-5973
>>> >
>>> > On May 25, 2020 10:05 PM, "Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
>>> Lnc-business" <
>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Yes
>>> >
>>> > Alex Merced
>>> > Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>>> >
>>> > > On May 25, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Yes, in case the case does not sign the contract we have a fall back
>>> > procedure with buyin from the LNC.
>>> > >
>>> > > ---
>>> > > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>>> > > Libertarian National Committee
>>> > > 317-850-0726 Cell
>>> > >
>>> > >> On 2020-05-25 15:32, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> > >> And it is not our normal procedure for the LNC to approve the
>>> contract.
>>> > >> Where did that comes from?
>>> > >> The prior motions all approved the venue and authorized the chair to
>>> > sign
>>> > >> on favorable terms.
>>> > >> Are we adding new procedure now?
>>> > >> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:14 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
>>> > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > >>> Richard,
>>> > >>> You will have to take my word for it since he express that thought
>>> to
>>> > me
>>> > >>> in a private telephone conversation about two weeks ago.  And this
>>> > >>> motion does not preclude the Chair from signing the final version of
>>> > the
>>> > >>> contract if he changes his mind.   I am not advocating removing him
>>> > from
>>> > >>> office and would have to do very hard thinking before I voted for
>>> such
>>> > >>> an extreme measure.
>>> > >>> ---
>>> > >>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>>> > >>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> > >>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>> > >>>> On 2020-05-25 13:15, Richard Longstreth wrote:
>>> > >>> > I'm glad he told you Sam, but he didn't tell me or this body. Can
>>> > you
>>> > >>> verify those discussions?
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > Because I've heard a lot about what the chair will do in the last
>>> > two
>>> > >>> weeks and not a lick of it has come to pass.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > * Gavel in austin, no matter what
>>> > >>> > * Be amash's VP, then amash dropped out and Sarwark wasn't even
>>> > >>> nominated with enough tokens
>>> > >>> > * Hijack the convention and force everything online
>>> > >>> > Etc
>>> > >>> > Etc
>>> > >>> > Etc
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > Our chair is no saint. I can confirm some of the things that have
>>> > been
>>> > >>> put out there that atest to his character, but I am tired of fear of
>>> > what
>>> > >>> our chair might do dictating actions of this board.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > We have procedures.
>>> > >>> > They should be followed.
>>> > >>> > If they are not, the LNC can then react appropriately.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > Believe me. I will be one of the first to motion to remove Nick
>>> from
>>> > >>> office if he refuses to sign but just like we had to follow our
>>> rules
>>> > to
>>> > >>> have an in person. We need to follow then now for contract approval.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > Richard Longstreth
>>> > >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
>>> WY)
>>> > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>> > >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> > >>> > 931.538.9300
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:04 Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > Richard,
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > The Chair told me in no uncertain terms that he would not sign a
>>> > >>> contract for an in person convention this year.  This motion does
>>> not
>>> > >>> preclude him from changing his mind but does allow the LNC an option
>>> > if he
>>> > >>> does not.  The hotel is not going to keep a block on our rooms
>>> > forever.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > Sincerely,
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > ---
>>> > >>> > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>>> > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>> > >>> > 317-850-0726 Cell
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > On 2020-05-25 12:24, Richard Longstreth wrote:
>>> > >>> > I want to be clear here:
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > I read this motion  as authorizing any officer to sign the
>>> contract
>>> > that
>>> > >>> was recommended by the COC. So far we have only the one from
>>> Saturday
>>> > as
>>> > >>> recommended by them and there are concerns. The time to sign is not
>>> > yet
>>> > >>> ripe and the chair indicated he will not be in attendance, not that
>>> he
>>> > will
>>> > >>> not sign.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > I think a better way to do this is to have the LNC approve the
>>> > contract
>>> > >>> once concerns are resolved, ask Nick to sign, if he refuses, then do
>>> > the
>>> > >>> motion we are debating now. I think we are putting the cart before
>>> the
>>> > >>> horse right now.
>>> > >>> > Richard Longstreth
>>> > >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
>>> WY)
>>> > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>> > >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> > >>> > 931.538.9300
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 09:09 sam.goldstein--- via Lnc-business <
>>> > >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > >>> > The motion Daniel referred to is the AV contract, not the hotel
>>> > >>> contract.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > Sam Goldstein
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > On May 25, 2020 11:59 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
>>> > >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > I would suggest that the LNC meet with Oliver Hall, our legal
>>> > council,
>>> > >>> > under executive session in order to be briefed on any concerns and
>>> > >>> > insights that we should be made aware. At that point, the body
>>> could
>>> > >>> > consult with the CoC in a separate session, and then come to a
>>> > >>> > conclusion on our next course of action. Once we have all of the
>>> > >>> > information, from all sides, then we can make the best
>>> > recommendations.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > In Liberty,
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > Steven Nekhaila
>>> > >>> > Region 2 Representative
>>> > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>>> > >>> > "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > On 2020-05-25 11:31 AM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> > >>> >> I change my vote to no.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >> This motion came quickly and after combing through and reviewing
>>> > >>> >> mountains
>>> > >>> >> of emails received throughout this weekend, I see the
>>> discrepancies
>>> > >>> >> noted
>>> > >>> >> by Mr O'Donnell. Further, I misunderstood this motion. I took it
>>> to
>>> > >>> >> read
>>> > >>> >> that any officer could sign when the time was appropriate, not to
>>> > sign
>>> > >>> >> now.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >> While Nick has made it clear that he will not sign the contract
>>> to
>>> > me
>>> > >>> >> based
>>> > >>> >> on his remarks and behavior at the e-convention, authorizing
>>> > anybody to
>>> > >>> >> do
>>> > >>> >> so right now is a mistake until it is fully finalized and all
>>> > concerns
>>> > >>> >> addressed. If that happens before this vote expires, I will
>>> change
>>> > back
>>> > >>> >> to
>>> > >>> >> yes. I realize the convention was busy for many and encourage all
>>> > on
>>> > >>> >> this
>>> > >>> >> body to read the relevant emails to gain a full understanding of
>>> > where
>>> > >>> >> we
>>> > >>> >> stand. I don't think we are ready to sign yet.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >> Richard Longstreth
>>> > >>> >> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
>>> > WY)
>>> > >>> >> Libertarian National Committee
>>> > >>> >> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> > >>> >> 931.538.9300
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >> Sent from my Mobile Device
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 08:07 justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business <
>>> > >>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>> I vote No
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> At 4:17 PM sunday, Mr. Hayes sent us all an email admitting that
>>> > this
>>> > >>> >>> contract had not yet been reviewed. As the revisions had just
>>> been
>>> > >>> >>> recieved, despite his insistance while speaking during the
>>> > convention
>>> > >>> >>> that
>>> > >>> >>> it was rock solid and had been reviewed and cleared.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> Mr. Goldstein has been posting on social media and on this list
>>> > upset
>>> > >>> >>> about the leak of confidential contract information, claiming
>>> its
>>> > an
>>> > >>> >>> issue
>>> > >>> >>> because the contract is still being negotiated and we dont have
>>> a
>>> > >>> >>> final
>>> > >>> >>> version yet.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> The contract that was provided to the LNC Via Email on Saturday
>>> > >>> >>> morning
>>> > >>> >>> was quickly followed by remarks from Mr. Hall, the LNC's
>>> retained
>>> > >>> >>> council,
>>> > >>> >>> advising of what was in his opinion an incredibly unfavorable
>>> > contract
>>> > >>> >>> with
>>> > >>> >>> regards to riak assignment to the LNC given the circumstances.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> I could be convinced to change my vote to yes, but not until the
>>> > >>> >>> members
>>> > >>> >>> of the CoC get on the same page and start spinning the same
>>> story
>>> > >>> >>> consistently at least, rather than insisting the contract is
>>> fine
>>> > and
>>> > >>> >>> ready
>>> > >>> >>> during public debate but admitting it hasnt been reviewed
>>> > privately.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> I will also wait until the contract is returned with a favorable
>>> > >>> >>> review
>>> > >>> >>> from our attorney, Mr. Hall.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> On a side note, Region 8 will be holding an election for my
>>> > >>> >>> replacement
>>> > >>> >>> electronically next Week, I wish I could say it had been a
>>> > pleasure to
>>> > >>> >>> serve with everyone on this board, but unfortunately that would
>>> > not be
>>> > >>> >>> displaying the same level of honesty I'll asking of the CoC
>>> > members.
>>> > >>> >>> The
>>> > >>> >>> last few months this board has been torn apart with childish
>>> > >>> >>> factionalism
>>> > >>> >>> and idiotic conflicts of personal natures. Many on this board
>>> > could
>>> > >>> >>> benefit
>>> > >>> >>> from a re-reading of Non-Violent communication, and a
>>> realization
>>> > that
>>> > >>> >>> you
>>> > >>> >>> dont need to be so quick to throw a noose over the branch at
>>> every
>>> > >>> >>> percieved slight. I'm embarrased to have been part of this board
>>> > the
>>> > >>> >>> past
>>> > >>> >>> few months, and I'm ashamed for the members of our party who
>>> have
>>> > to
>>> > >>> >>> explain our conduct.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> Regards,
>>> > >>> >>> Justin O'Donnell
>>> > >>> >>> LNC Region 8 Representative
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> On May 25, 2020 10:38 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
>>> > >>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> I vote Aye.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> In Liberty,
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> Steven Nekhaila
>>> > >>> >>> Region 2 Representative
>>> > >>> >>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>>> > >>> >>> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> On 2020-05-25 09:56 AM, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> > >>> >>>> I vote yes.
>>> > >>> >>>>
>>> > >>> >>>> -Joshua
>>> > >>> >>>>
>>> > >>> >>>> On May 25, 2020 12:11 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>> > >>> >>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > >>> >>>>
>>> > >>> >>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>> > >>> >>>>>
>>> > >>> >>>>> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 31, 2020 at
>>> > 11:59:59
>>> > >>> >>>>> pm
>>> > >>> >>>>> Pacific time.
>>> > >>> >>>>>
>>> > >>> >>>>> Co-Sponsors:  Bilyeu, Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson,
>>> > >>> >>>>> Merced,
>>> > >>> >>>>> Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith
>>> > >>> >>>>>
>>> > >>> >>>>> =============================================
>>> > >>> >>>>>
>>> > >>> >>>>> Motion: Move to authorize any Party officer to execute the
>>> > Orlando
>>> > >>> >>>>> convention contract recommended by the Convention Oversight
>>> > >>> >>>>> Committee.
>>> > >>> >>>>>
>>> > >>> >>>>> =============================================
>>> > >>> >>>>>
>>> > >>> >>>>> THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
>>> > >>> >>>>>
>>> > >>> >>>>> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes
>>> > here:
>>> > >>> >>>>>
>>> > >>> >>>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> >
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1074776901
>>> .
>>> >
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>>> Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
>>> > >>> >>>>> verification. You
>>> > >>> >>>>> can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at
>>> the
>>> > >>> >>>>> bottom of
>>> > >>> >>>>> the sheet.
>>> > >>> >>>>>
>>> > >>> >>>>> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>>> > >>> >>>>>
>>> > >>> >>>>> *  In Liberty,*
>>> > >>> >>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> > >>> >>>>> Syndrome
>>> > >>> >>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>> > >>> >>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
>>> If
>>> > >>> >>>>> anyone
>>> > >>> >>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>>> > social
>>> > >>> >>>>> faux
>>> > >>> >>>>> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let
>>> me
>>> > >>> >>>>> know.  *
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> 
>>