[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200524-01: Authorize Signing of Orlando Contract

Tue May 26 17:10:30 EDT 2020

Chances are I will see it again.  If I wasn't all over the place on social
media I would be able to find it easily but social media exploded after the
convention and it would take hours I don't have, but chances are I will
incidentally run into it.  I can visualize it in my head... it was
something to the extent of not harming the party.  and hey, I can respect
that but he should let us know.  I would not sign perjurious statements, so
refusing to sign something isn't something I am going to criticize if that
is how he feels.  But I didn't keep it a secret and talked openly about it
to anyone who wanted to know.  I am more disturbed by his comments that he
will be attending Orlando as a delegate yet refuses to chair - which is his
job.  Not signing doesn't bother me.  Refusing to let us know openly here
so we can get on with making other arrangements does.

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *

On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 2:54 PM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
wrote:

> I haven't seen anything like that on social media either.  Would also be
> interested in a link.
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>
>
>
>
> On 2020-05-26 16:18, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
> > I would like to if at all possible. Could you also link the social
> > media
> > post, I've not seen it.
> >
> > Richard Longstreth
> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > 931.538.9300
> >
> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >
> > On Tue, May 26, 2020, 08:37 Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> the Chair indicated publicly on social media yesterday he would not
> >> sign.
> >> Further, this expires the day before the contract must be signed.
> >> Unless
> >> you say you are giving him the opportunity prior to expiration.
> >>
> >> *In Liberty,*
> >>
> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >> anyone
> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >> faux
> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 9:17 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The only remaining concern I have is that Nick needs to be given the
> >>> opportunity to sign before I vote Yes on this, as expressed on the
> >>> COC
> >>> call
> >>> last night.
> >>>
> >>> Richard Longstreth
> >>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> >>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 931.538.9300
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my Mobile Device
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 20:43 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > I believe my concerns have all been covered. Yes.
> >>> >
> >>> > John Phillips
> >>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> >>> > Cell 217-412-5973
> >>> >
> >>> > On May 25, 2020 10:05 PM, "Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
> >>> Lnc-business" <
> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Yes
> >>> >
> >>> > Alex Merced
> >>> > Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
> >>> >
> >>> > > On May 25, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Yes, in case the case does not sign the contract we have a fall
> back
> >>> > procedure with buyin from the LNC.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > ---
> >>> > > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> >>> > > Libertarian National Committee
> >>> > > 317-850-0726 Cell
> >>> > >
> >>> > >> On 2020-05-25 15:32, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>> > >> And it is not our normal procedure for the LNC to approve the
> >>> contract.
> >>> > >> Where did that comes from?
> >>> > >> The prior motions all approved the venue and authorized the chair
> to
> >>> > sign
> >>> > >> on favorable terms.
> >>> > >> Are we adding new procedure now?
> >>> > >> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:14 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
> >>> > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> > >>> Richard,
> >>> > >>> You will have to take my word for it since he express that
> thought
> >>> to
> >>> > me
> >>> > >>> in a private telephone conversation about two weeks ago.  And
> this
> >>> > >>> motion does not preclude the Chair from signing the final
> version of
> >>> > the
> >>> > >>> contract if he changes his mind.   I am not advocating removing
> him
> >>> > from
> >>> > >>> office and would have to do very hard thinking before I voted for
> >>> such
> >>> > >>> an extreme measure.
> >>> > >>> ---
> >>> > >>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> >>> > >>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>> > >>> 317-850-0726 Cell
> >>> > >>>> On 2020-05-25 13:15, Richard Longstreth wrote:
> >>> > >>> > I'm glad he told you Sam, but he didn't tell me or this body.
> Can
> >>> > you
> >>> > >>> verify those discussions?
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > Because I've heard a lot about what the chair will do in the
> last
> >>> > two
> >>> > >>> weeks and not a lick of it has come to pass.
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > * Gavel in austin, no matter what
> >>> > >>> > * Be amash's VP, then amash dropped out and Sarwark wasn't even
> >>> > >>> nominated with enough tokens
> >>> > >>> > * Hijack the convention and force everything online
> >>> > >>> > Etc
> >>> > >>> > Etc
> >>> > >>> > Etc
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > Our chair is no saint. I can confirm some of the things that
> have
> >>> > been
> >>> > >>> put out there that atest to his character, but I am tired of
> fear of
> >>> > what
> >>> > >>> our chair might do dictating actions of this board.
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > We have procedures.
> >>> > >>> > They should be followed.
> >>> > >>> > If they are not, the LNC can then react appropriately.
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > Believe me. I will be one of the first to motion to remove Nick
> >>> from
> >>> > >>> office if he refuses to sign but just like we had to follow our
> >>> rules
> >>> > to
> >>> > >>> have an in person. We need to follow then now for contract
> approval.
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>> > >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,
> WA,
> >>> WY)
> >>> > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>> > >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> > >>> > 931.538.9300
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:04 Sam Goldstein <
> sam.goldstein at lp.org>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > Richard,
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > The Chair told me in no uncertain terms that he would not sign
> a
> >>> > >>> contract for an in person convention this year.  This motion does
> >>> not
> >>> > >>> preclude him from changing his mind but does allow the LNC an
> option
> >>> > if he
> >>> > >>> does not.  The hotel is not going to keep a block on our rooms
> >>> > forever.
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > Sincerely,
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > ---
> >>> > >>> > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> >>> > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>> > >>> > 317-850-0726 Cell
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > On 2020-05-25 12:24, Richard Longstreth wrote:
> >>> > >>> > I want to be clear here:
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > I read this motion  as authorizing any officer to sign the
> >>> contract
> >>> > that
> >>> > >>> was recommended by the COC. So far we have only the one from
> >>> Saturday
> >>> > as
> >>> > >>> recommended by them and there are concerns. The time to sign is
> not
> >>> > yet
> >>> > >>> ripe and the chair indicated he will not be in attendance, not
> that
> >>> he
> >>> > will
> >>> > >>> not sign.
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > I think a better way to do this is to have the LNC approve the
> >>> > contract
> >>> > >>> once concerns are resolved, ask Nick to sign, if he refuses,
> then do
> >>> > the
> >>> > >>> motion we are debating now. I think we are putting the cart
> before
> >>> the
> >>> > >>> horse right now.
> >>> > >>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>> > >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,
> WA,
> >>> WY)
> >>> > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>> > >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> > >>> > 931.538.9300
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 09:09 sam.goldstein--- via Lnc-business <
> >>> > >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> > >>> > The motion Daniel referred to is the AV contract, not the hotel
> >>> > >>> contract.
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > Sam Goldstein
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > On May 25, 2020 11:59 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> >>> > >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > I would suggest that the LNC meet with Oliver Hall, our legal
> >>> > council,
> >>> > >>> > under executive session in order to be briefed on any concerns
> and
> >>> > >>> > insights that we should be made aware. At that point, the body
> >>> could
> >>> > >>> > consult with the CoC in a separate session, and then come to a
> >>> > >>> > conclusion on our next course of action. Once we have all of
> the
> >>> > >>> > information, from all sides, then we can make the best
> >>> > recommendations.
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > In Liberty,
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > Steven Nekhaila
> >>> > >>> > Region 2 Representative
> >>> > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> >>> > >>> > "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > On 2020-05-25 11:31 AM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
> wrote:
> >>> > >>> >> I change my vote to no.
> >>> > >>> >>
> >>> > >>> >> This motion came quickly and after combing through and
> reviewing
> >>> > >>> >> mountains
> >>> > >>> >> of emails received throughout this weekend, I see the
> >>> discrepancies
> >>> > >>> >> noted
> >>> > >>> >> by Mr O'Donnell. Further, I misunderstood this motion. I took
> it
> >>> to
> >>> > >>> >> read
> >>> > >>> >> that any officer could sign when the time was appropriate,
> not to
> >>> > sign
> >>> > >>> >> now.
> >>> > >>> >>
> >>> > >>> >> While Nick has made it clear that he will not sign the
> contract
> >>> to
> >>> > me
> >>> > >>> >> based
> >>> > >>> >> on his remarks and behavior at the e-convention, authorizing
> >>> > anybody to
> >>> > >>> >> do
> >>> > >>> >> so right now is a mistake until it is fully finalized and all
> >>> > concerns
> >>> > >>> >> addressed. If that happens before this vote expires, I will
> >>> change
> >>> > back
> >>> > >>> >> to
> >>> > >>> >> yes. I realize the convention was busy for many and encourage
> all
> >>> > on
> >>> > >>> >> this
> >>> > >>> >> body to read the relevant emails to gain a full understanding
> of
> >>> > where
> >>> > >>> >> we
> >>> > >>> >> stand. I don't think we are ready to sign yet.
> >>> > >>> >>
> >>> > >>> >> Richard Longstreth
> >>> > >>> >> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,
> WA,
> >>> > WY)
> >>> > >>> >> Libertarian National Committee
> >>> > >>> >> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> > >>> >> 931.538.9300
> >>> > >>> >>
> >>> > >>> >> Sent from my Mobile Device
> >>> > >>> >>
> >>> > >>> >> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 08:07 justin.odonnell--- via
> Lnc-business <
> >>> > >>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> > >>> >>
> >>> > >>> >>> I vote No
> >>> > >>> >>>
> >>> > >>> >>> At 4:17 PM sunday, Mr. Hayes sent us all an email admitting
> that
> >>> > this
> >>> > >>> >>> contract had not yet been reviewed. As the revisions had just
> >>> been
> >>> > >>> >>> recieved, despite his insistance while speaking during the
> >>> > convention
> >>> > >>> >>> that
> >>> > >>> >>> it was rock solid and had been reviewed and cleared.
> >>> > >>> >>>
> >>> > >>> >>> Mr. Goldstein has been posting on social media and on this
> list
> >>> > upset
> >>> > >>> >>> about the leak of confidential contract information, claiming
> >>> its
> >>> > an
> >>> > >>> >>> issue
> >>> > >>> >>> because the contract is still being negotiated and we dont
> have
> >>> a
> >>> > >>> >>> final
> >>> > >>> >>> version yet.
> >>> > >>> >>>
> >>> > >>> >>> The contract that was provided to the LNC Via Email on
> Saturday
> >>> > >>> >>> morning
> >>> > >>> >>> was quickly followed by remarks from Mr. Hall, the LNC's
> >>> retained
> >>> > >>> >>> council,
> >>> > >>> >>> advising of what was in his opinion an incredibly unfavorable
> >>> > contract
> >>> > >>> >>> with
> >>> > >>> >>> regards to riak assignment to the LNC given the
> circumstances.
> >>> > >>> >>>
> >>> > >>> >>> I could be convinced to change my vote to yes, but not until
> the
> >>> > >>> >>> members
> >>> > >>> >>> of the CoC get on the same page and start spinning the same
> >>> story
> >>> > >>> >>> consistently at least, rather than insisting the contract is
> >>> fine
> >>> > and
> >>> > >>> >>> ready
> >>> > >>> >>> during public debate but admitting it hasnt been reviewed
> >>> > privately.
> >>> > >>> >>>
> >>> > >>> >>> I will also wait until the contract is returned with a
> favorable
> >>> > >>> >>> review
> >>> > >>> >>> from our attorney, Mr. Hall.
> >>> > >>> >>>
> >>> > >>> >>> On a side note, Region 8 will be holding an election for my
> >>> > >>> >>> replacement
> >>> > >>> >>> electronically next Week, I wish I could say it had been a
> >>> > pleasure to
> >>> > >>> >>> serve with everyone on this board, but unfortunately that
> would
> >>> > not be
> >>> > >>> >>> displaying the same level of honesty I'll asking of the CoC
> >>> > members.
> >>> > >>> >>> The
> >>> > >>> >>> last few months this board has been torn apart with childish
> >>> > >>> >>> factionalism
> >>> > >>> >>> and idiotic conflicts of personal natures. Many on this board
> >>> > could
> >>> > >>> >>> benefit
> >>> > >>> >>> from a re-reading of Non-Violent communication, and a
> >>> realization
> >>> > that
> >>> > >>> >>> you
> >>> > >>> >>> dont need to be so quick to throw a noose over the branch at
> >>> every
> >>> > >>> >>> percieved slight. I'm embarrased to have been part of this
> board
> >>> > the
> >>> > >>> >>> past
> >>> > >>> >>> few months, and I'm ashamed for the members of our party who
> >>> have
> >>> > to
> >>> > >>> >>> explain our conduct.
> >>> > >>> >>>
> >>> > >>> >>>
> >>> > >>> >>> Regards,
> >>> > >>> >>> Justin O'Donnell
> >>> > >>> >>> LNC Region 8 Representative
> >>> > >>> >>>
> >>> > >>> >>> On May 25, 2020 10:38 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> >>> > >>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> > >>> >>>
> >>> > >>> >>> I vote Aye.
> >>> > >>> >>>
> >>> > >>> >>> In Liberty,
> >>> > >>> >>>
> >>> > >>> >>> Steven Nekhaila
> >>> > >>> >>> Region 2 Representative
> >>> > >>> >>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>> > >>> >>>
> >>> > >>> >>> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> >>> > >>> >>> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> >>> > >>> >>>
> >>> > >>> >>> On 2020-05-25 09:56 AM, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business
> wrote:
> >>> > >>> >>>> I vote yes.
> >>> > >>> >>>>
> >>> > >>> >>>> -Joshua
> >>> > >>> >>>>
> >>> > >>> >>>> On May 25, 2020 12:11 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> >>> > >>> >>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> > >>> >>>>
> >>> > >>> >>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
> >>> > >>> >>>>>
> >>> > >>> >>>>> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 31, 2020 at
> >>> > 11:59:59
> >>> > >>> >>>>> pm
> >>> > >>> >>>>> Pacific time.
> >>> > >>> >>>>>
> >>> > >>> >>>>> Co-Sponsors:  Bilyeu, Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth,
> Mattson,
> >>> > >>> >>>>> Merced,
> >>> > >>> >>>>> Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith
> >>> > >>> >>>>>
> >>> > >>> >>>>> =============================================
> >>> > >>> >>>>>
> >>> > >>> >>>>> Motion: Move to authorize any Party officer to execute the
> >>> > Orlando
> >>> > >>> >>>>> convention contract recommended by the Convention Oversight
> >>> > >>> >>>>> Committee.
> >>> > >>> >>>>>
> >>> > >>> >>>>> =============================================
> >>> > >>> >>>>>
> >>> > >>> >>>>> THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
> >>> > >>> >>>>>
> >>> > >>> >>>>> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes
> >>> > here:
> >>> > >>> >>>>>
> >>> > >>> >>>>
> >>> > >>> >>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> >
> >>>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1074776901
> >>> .
> >>> >
> >>> > >>> >>>
> >>> > >>> >>>>> Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
> >>> > >>> >>>>> verification. You
> >>> > >>> >>>>> can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at
> >>> the
> >>> > >>> >>>>> bottom of
> >>> > >>> >>>>> the sheet.
> >>> > >>> >>>>>
> >>> > >>> >>>>> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> >>> > >>> >>>>>
> >>> > >>> >>>>> *  In Liberty,*
> >>> > >>> >>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> Asperger's
> >>> > >>> >>>>> Syndrome
> >>> > >>> >>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> inter-personal
> >>> > >>> >>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic
> arenas.
> >>> If
> >>> > >>> >>>>> anyone
> >>> > >>> >>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
> other
> >>> > social
> >>> > >>> >>>>> faux
> >>> > >>> >>>>> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and
> let
> >>> me
> >>> > >>> >>>>> know.  *
> >>> > >>> >>>
> >>> > >>> >>>
> >>> > >>> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>
>