[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200524-01: Authorize Signing of Orlando Contract

Fri May 29 18:10:08 EDT 2020

It is good that we will have this in pocket though it looks like the chair
will now do his duty and sign which is far preferable.

On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 3:54 PM Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> For some reason my Yes vote was not recorded, I intended to vote Yes
> when Mr. Merced offered his signature, as I believe the Vice Chair is
> the one who ought to legally be permitted to act in lieu of the Chair.
>
> In Liberty,
>
> Steven Nekhaila
> Region 2 Representative
> Libertarian National Committee
>
> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>
> On 2020-05-25 05:15 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
> > Yes, in case the case does not sign the contract we have a fall back
> > procedure with buyin from the LNC.
> >
> > ---
> > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > 317-850-0726 Cell
> >
> > On 2020-05-25 15:32, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> And it is not our normal procedure for the LNC to approve the
> >> contract.
> >> Where did that comes from?
> >>
> >> The prior motions all approved the venue and authorized the chair to
> >> sign
> >> on favorable terms.
> >>
> >> Are we adding new procedure now?
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:14 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Richard,
> >>>
> >>> You will have to take my word for it since he express that thought to
> >>> me
> >>> in a private telephone conversation about two weeks ago.  And this
> >>> motion does not preclude the Chair from signing the final version of
> >>> the
> >>> contract if he changes his mind.   I am not advocating removing him
> >>> from
> >>> office and would have to do very hard thinking before I voted for
> >>> such
> >>> an extreme measure.
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> >>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>> 317-850-0726 Cell
> >>>
> >>> On 2020-05-25 13:15, Richard Longstreth wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > I'm glad he told you Sam, but he didn't tell me or this body. Can you
> >>> verify those discussions?
> >>> >
> >>> > Because I've heard a lot about what the chair will do in the last two
> >>> weeks and not a lick of it has come to pass.
> >>> >
> >>> > * Gavel in austin, no matter what
> >>> > * Be amash's VP, then amash dropped out and Sarwark wasn't even
> >>> nominated with enough tokens
> >>> > * Hijack the convention and force everything online
> >>> > Etc
> >>> > Etc
> >>> > Etc
> >>> >
> >>> > Our chair is no saint. I can confirm some of the things that have
> been
> >>> put out there that atest to his character, but I am tired of fear of
> >>> what
> >>> our chair might do dictating actions of this board.
> >>> >
> >>> > We have procedures.
> >>> > They should be followed.
> >>> > If they are not, the LNC can then react appropriately.
> >>> >
> >>> > Believe me. I will be one of the first to motion to remove Nick from
> >>> office if he refuses to sign but just like we had to follow our rules
> >>> to
> >>> have an in person. We need to follow then now for contract approval.
> >>> >
> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> > 931.538.9300
> >>> >
> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:04 Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Richard,
> >>> >
> >>> > The Chair told me in no uncertain terms that he would not sign a
> >>> contract for an in person convention this year.  This motion does not
> >>> preclude him from changing his mind but does allow the LNC an option
> >>> if he
> >>> does not.  The hotel is not going to keep a block on our rooms
> >>> forever.
> >>> >
> >>> > Sincerely,
> >>> >
> >>> > ---
> >>> > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>> > 317-850-0726 Cell
> >>> >
> >>> > On 2020-05-25 12:24, Richard Longstreth wrote:
> >>> > I want to be clear here:
> >>> >
> >>> > I read this motion  as authorizing any officer to sign the contract
> that
> >>> was recommended by the COC. So far we have only the one from Saturday
> >>> as
> >>> recommended by them and there are concerns. The time to sign is not
> >>> yet
> >>> ripe and the chair indicated he will not be in attendance, not that
> >>> he will
> >>> not sign.
> >>> >
> >>> > I think a better way to do this is to have the LNC approve the
> contract
> >>> once concerns are resolved, ask Nick to sign, if he refuses, then do
> >>> the
> >>> motion we are debating now. I think we are putting the cart before
> >>> the
> >>> horse right now.
> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> > 931.538.9300
> >>> >
> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 09:09 sam.goldstein--- via Lnc-business <
> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> > The motion Daniel referred to is the AV contract, not the hotel
> >>> contract.
> >>> >
> >>> > Sam Goldstein
> >>> >
> >>> > On May 25, 2020 11:59 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > I would suggest that the LNC meet with Oliver Hall, our legal
> council,
> >>> > under executive session in order to be briefed on any concerns and
> >>> > insights that we should be made aware. At that point, the body could
> >>> > consult with the CoC in a separate session, and then come to a
> >>> > conclusion on our next course of action. Once we have all of the
> >>> > information, from all sides, then we can make the best
> recommendations.
> >>> >
> >>> > In Liberty,
> >>> >
> >>> > Steven Nekhaila
> >>> > Region 2 Representative
> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>> >
> >>> > Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> >>> > "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> >>> >
> >>> > On 2020-05-25 11:31 AM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>> >> I change my vote to no.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> This motion came quickly and after combing through and reviewing
> >>> >> mountains
> >>> >> of emails received throughout this weekend, I see the discrepancies
> >>> >> noted
> >>> >> by Mr O'Donnell. Further, I misunderstood this motion. I took it to
> >>> >> read
> >>> >> that any officer could sign when the time was appropriate, not to
> sign
> >>> >> now.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> While Nick has made it clear that he will not sign the contract to
> me
> >>> >> based
> >>> >> on his remarks and behavior at the e-convention, authorizing
> anybody to
> >>> >> do
> >>> >> so right now is a mistake until it is fully finalized and all
> concerns
> >>> >> addressed. If that happens before this vote expires, I will change
> back
> >>> >> to
> >>> >> yes. I realize the convention was busy for many and encourage all on
> >>> >> this
> >>> >> body to read the relevant emails to gain a full understanding of
> where
> >>> >> we
> >>> >> stand. I don't think we are ready to sign yet.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Richard Longstreth
> >>> >> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> >>> >> Libertarian National Committee
> >>> >> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> >> 931.538.9300
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Sent from my Mobile Device
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 08:07 justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business <
> >>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> I vote No
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> At 4:17 PM sunday, Mr. Hayes sent us all an email admitting that
> this
> >>> >>> contract had not yet been reviewed. As the revisions had just been
> >>> >>> recieved, despite his insistance while speaking during the
> convention
> >>> >>> that
> >>> >>> it was rock solid and had been reviewed and cleared.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Mr. Goldstein has been posting on social media and on this list
> upset
> >>> >>> about the leak of confidential contract information, claiming its
> an
> >>> >>> issue
> >>> >>> because the contract is still being negotiated and we dont have a
> >>> >>> final
> >>> >>> version yet.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> The contract that was provided to the LNC Via Email on Saturday
> >>> >>> morning
> >>> >>> was quickly followed by remarks from Mr. Hall, the LNC's retained
> >>> >>> council,
> >>> >>> advising of what was in his opinion an incredibly unfavorable
> contract
> >>> >>> with
> >>> >>> regards to riak assignment to the LNC given the circumstances.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I could be convinced to change my vote to yes, but not until the
> >>> >>> members
> >>> >>> of the CoC get on the same page and start spinning the same story
> >>> >>> consistently at least, rather than insisting the contract is fine
> and
> >>> >>> ready
> >>> >>> during public debate but admitting it hasnt been reviewed
> privately.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I will also wait until the contract is returned with a favorable
> >>> >>> review
> >>> >>> from our attorney, Mr. Hall.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On a side note, Region 8 will be holding an election for my
> >>> >>> replacement
> >>> >>> electronically next Week, I wish I could say it had been a
> pleasure to
> >>> >>> serve with everyone on this board, but unfortunately that would
> not be
> >>> >>> displaying the same level of honesty I'll asking of the CoC
> members.
> >>> >>> The
> >>> >>> last few months this board has been torn apart with childish
> >>> >>> factionalism
> >>> >>> and idiotic conflicts of personal natures. Many on this board could
> >>> >>> benefit
> >>> >>> from a re-reading of Non-Violent communication, and a realization
> that
> >>> >>> you
> >>> >>> dont need to be so quick to throw a noose over the branch at every
> >>> >>> percieved slight. I'm embarrased to have been part of this board
> the
> >>> >>> past
> >>> >>> few months, and I'm ashamed for the members of our party who have
> to
> >>> >>> explain our conduct.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Regards,
> >>> >>> Justin O'Donnell
> >>> >>> LNC Region 8 Representative
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On May 25, 2020 10:38 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> >>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I vote Aye.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> In Liberty,
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Steven Nekhaila
> >>> >>> Region 2 Representative
> >>> >>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> >>> >>> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On 2020-05-25 09:56 AM, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>> >>>> I vote yes.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> -Joshua
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> On May 25, 2020 12:11 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> >>> >>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 31, 2020 at
> 11:59:59
> >>> >>>>> pm
> >>> >>>>> Pacific time.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Co-Sponsors:  Bilyeu, Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson,
> >>> >>>>> Merced,
> >>> >>>>> Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> =============================================
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Motion: Move to authorize any Party officer to execute the
> Orlando
> >>> >>>>> convention contract recommended by the Convention Oversight
> >>> >>>>> Committee.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> =============================================
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>
> >>>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1074776901
> .
> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>>> Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
> >>> >>>>> verification. You
> >>> >>>>> can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the
> >>> >>>>> bottom of
> >>> >>>>> the sheet.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> *  In Liberty,*
> >>> >>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>> >>>>> Syndrome
> >>> >>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>> >>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >>> >>>>> anyone
> >>> >>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> social
> >>> >>>>> faux
> >>> >>>>> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
> >>> >>>>> know.  *
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>>
>
-- 

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *