[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200524-01: Authorize Signing of Orlando Contract

Sun May 31 14:50:44 EDT 2020

I call upon the LNC to remove the chair if he forwards a signed contract
outside of his authority.

*In Liberty,*

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On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 12:11 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> Richard, would you like to consider upgrading your vote to a "yes" now,
> given that Nick has said he will only sign the unauthorized version?
>
> -Alicia
>
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 8:08 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> > Region 1 has been very split on this issue with many urging to support
> and
> > at least as many urging not to support. As a result of the split in the
> > region and the vote now being moot due to the chair indicating he will
> sign
> > and turn in by tomorrow, I change my vote to abstain.
> >
> > I would like to see and discuss a change to the policy manual for a more
> > permanent adjustment in our practices. If a future chair becomes
> > temporarily incapacitated, I do think it important that we have a way to
> > continue forward on such matters and we shouldn't leave it to a future
> LNC
> > to come up with the solution if we see the opportunity now.
> >
> > Richard Longstreth
> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > 931.538.9300
> >
> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >
> > On Sat, May 30, 2020, 19:26 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > > It is fully up to date.  If you think I missed someone please let me
> > know.
> > >
> > > *In Liberty,*
> > >
> > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> faux
> > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 7:27 PM <erin.adams at lp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > When will the tally be updated on this vote?
> > > >
> > > > Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
> > > >
> > > > On May 29, 2020 5:10 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> > > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It is good that we will have this in pocket though it looks like the
> > > chair
> > > > will now do his duty and sign which is far preferable.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 3:54 PM Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> > > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello All,
> > > > >
> > > > > For some reason my Yes vote was not recorded, I intended to vote
> Yes
> > > > > when Mr. Merced offered his signature, as I believe the Vice Chair
> is
> > > > > the one who ought to legally be permitted to act in lieu of the
> > Chair.
> > > > >
> > > > > In Liberty,
> > > > >
> > > > > Steven Nekhaila
> > > > > Region 2 Representative
> > > > > Libertarian National Committee
> > > > >
> > > > > Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> > > > > "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> > > > >
> > > > > On 2020-05-25 05:15 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
> > > > > > Yes, in case the case does not sign the contract we have a fall
> > back
> > > > > > procedure with buyin from the LNC.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> > > > > > Libertarian National Committee
> > > > > > 317-850-0726 Cell
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 2020-05-25 15:32, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > > > > >> And it is not our normal procedure for the LNC to approve the
> > > > > >> contract.
> > > > > >> Where did that comes from?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The prior motions all approved the venue and authorized the
> chair
> > to
> > > > > >> sign
> > > > > >> on favorable terms.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Are we adding new procedure now?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:14 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
> > > > > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> Richard,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> You will have to take my word for it since he express that
> > thought
> > > > to
> > > > > >>> me
> > > > > >>> in a private telephone conversation about two weeks ago.  And
> > this
> > > > > >>> motion does not preclude the Chair from signing the final
> version
> > > of
> > > > > >>> the
> > > > > >>> contract if he changes his mind.   I am not advocating removing
> > him
> > > > > >>> from
> > > > > >>> office and would have to do very hard thinking before I voted
> for
> > > > > >>> such
> > > > > >>> an extreme measure.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> ---
> > > > > >>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> > > > > >>> Libertarian National Committee
> > > > > >>> 317-850-0726 Cell
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> On 2020-05-25 13:15, Richard Longstreth wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> > I'm glad he told you Sam, but he didn't tell me or this body.
> > Can
> > > > you
> > > > > >>> verify those discussions?
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > Because I've heard a lot about what the chair will do in the
> > last
> > > > two
> > > > > >>> weeks and not a lick of it has come to pass.
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > * Gavel in austin, no matter what
> > > > > >>> > * Be amash's VP, then amash dropped out and Sarwark wasn't
> even
> > > > > >>> nominated with enough tokens
> > > > > >>> > * Hijack the convention and force everything online
> > > > > >>> > Etc
> > > > > >>> > Etc
> > > > > >>> > Etc
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > Our chair is no saint. I can confirm some of the things that
> > have
> > > > > been
> > > > > >>> put out there that atest to his character, but I am tired of
> fear
> > > of
> > > > > >>> what
> > > > > >>> our chair might do dictating actions of this board.
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > We have procedures.
> > > > > >>> > They should be followed.
> > > > > >>> > If they are not, the LNC can then react appropriately.
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > Believe me. I will be one of the first to motion to remove
> Nick
> > > > from
> > > > > >>> office if he refuses to sign but just like we had to follow our
> > > > rules
> > > > > >>> to
> > > > > >>> have an in person. We need to follow then now for contract
> > > approval.
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > Richard Longstreth
> > > > > >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,
> > WA,
> > > > WY)
> > > > > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> > > > > >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > > > > >>> > 931.538.9300
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:04 Sam Goldstein <
> > sam.goldstein at lp.org>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > Richard,
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > The Chair told me in no uncertain terms that he would not
> sign
> > a
> > > > > >>> contract for an in person convention this year.  This motion
> does
> > > > not
> > > > > >>> preclude him from changing his mind but does allow the LNC an
> > > option
> > > > > >>> if he
> > > > > >>> does not.  The hotel is not going to keep a block on our rooms
> > > > > >>> forever.
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > Sincerely,
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > ---
> > > > > >>> > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> > > > > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> > > > > >>> > 317-850-0726 Cell
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > On 2020-05-25 12:24, Richard Longstreth wrote:
> > > > > >>> > I want to be clear here:
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > I read this motion  as authorizing any officer to sign the
> > > > contract
> > > > > that
> > > > > >>> was recommended by the COC. So far we have only the one from
> > > > Saturday
> > > > > >>> as
> > > > > >>> recommended by them and there are concerns. The time to sign is
> > not
> > > > > >>> yet
> > > > > >>> ripe and the chair indicated he will not be in attendance, not
> > that
> > > > > >>> he will
> > > > > >>> not sign.
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > I think a better way to do this is to have the LNC approve
> the
> > > > > contract
> > > > > >>> once concerns are resolved, ask Nick to sign, if he refuses,
> then
> > > do
> > > > > >>> the
> > > > > >>> motion we are debating now. I think we are putting the cart
> > before
> > > > > >>> the
> > > > > >>> horse right now.
> > > > > >>> > Richard Longstreth
> > > > > >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,
> > WA,
> > > > WY)
> > > > > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> > > > > >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > > > > >>> > 931.538.9300
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 09:09 sam.goldstein--- via
> Lnc-business <
> > > > > >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > > > >>> > The motion Daniel referred to is the AV contract, not the
> hotel
> > > > > >>> contract.
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > Sam Goldstein
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > On May 25, 2020 11:59 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> > > > > >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > I would suggest that the LNC meet with Oliver Hall, our legal
> > > > > council,
> > > > > >>> > under executive session in order to be briefed on any
> concerns
> > > and
> > > > > >>> > insights that we should be made aware. At that point, the
> body
> > > > could
> > > > > >>> > consult with the CoC in a separate session, and then come to
> a
> > > > > >>> > conclusion on our next course of action. Once we have all of
> > the
> > > > > >>> > information, from all sides, then we can make the best
> > > > > recommendations.
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > In Liberty,
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > Steven Nekhaila
> > > > > >>> > Region 2 Representative
> > > > > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> > > > > >>> > "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > On 2020-05-25 11:31 AM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >>> >> I change my vote to no.
> > > > > >>> >>
> > > > > >>> >> This motion came quickly and after combing through and
> > reviewing
> > > > > >>> >> mountains
> > > > > >>> >> of emails received throughout this weekend, I see the
> > > > discrepancies
> > > > > >>> >> noted
> > > > > >>> >> by Mr O'Donnell. Further, I misunderstood this motion. I
> took
> > it
> > > > to
> > > > > >>> >> read
> > > > > >>> >> that any officer could sign when the time was appropriate,
> not
> > > to
> > > > > sign
> > > > > >>> >> now.
> > > > > >>> >>
> > > > > >>> >> While Nick has made it clear that he will not sign the
> > contract
> > > > to
> > > > > me
> > > > > >>> >> based
> > > > > >>> >> on his remarks and behavior at the e-convention, authorizing
> > > > > anybody to
> > > > > >>> >> do
> > > > > >>> >> so right now is a mistake until it is fully finalized and
> all
> > > > > concerns
> > > > > >>> >> addressed. If that happens before this vote expires, I will
> > > > change
> > > > > back
> > > > > >>> >> to
> > > > > >>> >> yes. I realize the convention was busy for many and
> encourage
> > > all
> > > > on
> > > > > >>> >> this
> > > > > >>> >> body to read the relevant emails to gain a full
> understanding
> > of
> > > > > where
> > > > > >>> >> we
> > > > > >>> >> stand. I don't think we are ready to sign yet.
> > > > > >>> >>
> > > > > >>> >> Richard Longstreth
> > > > > >>> >> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,
> > WA,
> > > > WY)
> > > > > >>> >> Libertarian National Committee
> > > > > >>> >> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > > > > >>> >> 931.538.9300
> > > > > >>> >>
> > > > > >>> >> Sent from my Mobile Device
> > > > > >>> >>
> > > > > >>> >> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 08:07 justin.odonnell--- via
> > Lnc-business
> > > <
> > > > > >>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > > > >>> >>
> > > > > >>> >>> I vote No
> > > > > >>> >>>
> > > > > >>> >>> At 4:17 PM sunday, Mr. Hayes sent us all an email admitting
> > > that
> > > > > this
> > > > > >>> >>> contract had not yet been reviewed. As the revisions had
> just
> > > > been
> > > > > >>> >>> recieved, despite his insistance while speaking during the
> > > > > convention
> > > > > >>> >>> that
> > > > > >>> >>> it was rock solid and had been reviewed and cleared.
> > > > > >>> >>>
> > > > > >>> >>> Mr. Goldstein has been posting on social media and on this
> > list
> > > > > upset
> > > > > >>> >>> about the leak of confidential contract information,
> claiming
> > > > its
> > > > > an
> > > > > >>> >>> issue
> > > > > >>> >>> because the contract is still being negotiated and we dont
> > have
> > > > a
> > > > > >>> >>> final
> > > > > >>> >>> version yet.
> > > > > >>> >>>
> > > > > >>> >>> The contract that was provided to the LNC Via Email on
> > Saturday
> > > > > >>> >>> morning
> > > > > >>> >>> was quickly followed by remarks from Mr. Hall, the LNC's
> > > > retained
> > > > > >>> >>> council,
> > > > > >>> >>> advising of what was in his opinion an incredibly
> unfavorable
> > > > > contract
> > > > > >>> >>> with
> > > > > >>> >>> regards to riak assignment to the LNC given the
> > circumstances.
> > > > > >>> >>>
> > > > > >>> >>> I could be convinced to change my vote to yes, but not
> until
> > > the
> > > > > >>> >>> members
> > > > > >>> >>> of the CoC get on the same page and start spinning the same
> > > > story
> > > > > >>> >>> consistently at least, rather than insisting the contract
> is
> > > > fine
> > > > > and
> > > > > >>> >>> ready
> > > > > >>> >>> during public debate but admitting it hasnt been reviewed
> > > > > privately.
> > > > > >>> >>>
> > > > > >>> >>> I will also wait until the contract is returned with a
> > > favorable
> > > > > >>> >>> review
> > > > > >>> >>> from our attorney, Mr. Hall.
> > > > > >>> >>>
> > > > > >>> >>> On a side note, Region 8 will be holding an election for my
> > > > > >>> >>> replacement
> > > > > >>> >>> electronically next Week, I wish I could say it had been a
> > > > > pleasure to
> > > > > >>> >>> serve with everyone on this board, but unfortunately that
> > would
> > > > > not be
> > > > > >>> >>> displaying the same level of honesty I'll asking of the CoC
> > > > > members.
> > > > > >>> >>> The
> > > > > >>> >>> last few months this board has been torn apart with
> childish
> > > > > >>> >>> factionalism
> > > > > >>> >>> and idiotic conflicts of personal natures. Many on this
> board
> > > > could
> > > > > >>> >>> benefit
> > > > > >>> >>> from a re-reading of Non-Violent communication, and a
> > > > realization
> > > > > that
> > > > > >>> >>> you
> > > > > >>> >>> dont need to be so quick to throw a noose over the branch
> at
> > > > every
> > > > > >>> >>> percieved slight. I'm embarrased to have been part of this
> > > board
> > > > > the
> > > > > >>> >>> past
> > > > > >>> >>> few months, and I'm ashamed for the members of our party
> who
> > > > have
> > > > > to
> > > > > >>> >>> explain our conduct.
> > > > > >>> >>>
> > > > > >>> >>>
> > > > > >>> >>> Regards,
> > > > > >>> >>> Justin O'Donnell
> > > > > >>> >>> LNC Region 8 Representative
> > > > > >>> >>>
> > > > > >>> >>> On May 25, 2020 10:38 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business
> <
> > > > > >>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > > > >>> >>>
> > > > > >>> >>> I vote Aye.
> > > > > >>> >>>
> > > > > >>> >>> In Liberty,
> > > > > >>> >>>
> > > > > >>> >>> Steven Nekhaila
> > > > > >>> >>> Region 2 Representative
> > > > > >>> >>> Libertarian National Committee
> > > > > >>> >>>
> > > > > >>> >>> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> > > > > >>> >>> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> > > > > >>> >>>
> > > > > >>> >>> On 2020-05-25 09:56 AM, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business
> > wrote:
> > > > > >>> >>>> I vote yes.
> > > > > >>> >>>>
> > > > > >>> >>>> -Joshua
> > > > > >>> >>>>
> > > > > >>> >>>> On May 25, 2020 12:11 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
> Lnc-business
> > > > > >>> >>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > > > >>> >>>>
> > > > > >>> >>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
> > > > > >>> >>>>>
> > > > > >>> >>>>> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 31, 2020 at
> > > > > 11:59:59
> > > > > >>> >>>>> pm
> > > > > >>> >>>>> Pacific time.
> > > > > >>> >>>>>
> > > > > >>> >>>>> Co-Sponsors:  Bilyeu, Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth,
> > Mattson,
> > > > > >>> >>>>> Merced,
> > > > > >>> >>>>> Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith
> > > > > >>> >>>>>
> > > > > >>> >>>>> =============================================
> > > > > >>> >>>>>
> > > > > >>> >>>>> Motion: Move to authorize any Party officer to execute
> the
> > > > > Orlando
> > > > > >>> >>>>> convention contract recommended by the Convention
> Oversight
> > > > > >>> >>>>> Committee.
> > > > > >>> >>>>>
> > > > > >>> >>>>> =============================================
> > > > > >>> >>>>>
> > > > > >>> >>>>> THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
> > > > > >>> >>>>>
> > > > > >>> >>>>> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of
> votes
> > > > here:
> > > > > >>> >>>>>
> > > > > >>> >>>>
> > > > > >>> >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1074776901
> > > > > .
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> >>>
> > > > > >>> >>>>> Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
> > > > > >>> >>>>> verification. You
> > > > > >>> >>>>> can find the time that the manual tally was last updated
> at
> > > > the
> > > > > >>> >>>>> bottom of
> > > > > >>> >>>>> the sheet.
> > > > > >>> >>>>>
> > > > > >>> >>>>> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> > > > > >>> >>>>>
> > > > > >>> >>>>> *  In Liberty,*
> > > > > >>> >>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> > Asperger's
> > > > > >>> >>>>> Syndrome
> > > > > >>> >>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> > > inter-personal
> > > > > >>> >>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic
> > arenas.
> > > > If
> > > > > >>> >>>>> anyone
> > > > > >>> >>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
> > other
> > > > > social
> > > > > >>> >>>>> faux
> > > > > >>> >>>>> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and
> > let
> > > > me
> > > > > >>> >>>>> know.  *
> > > > > >>> >>>
> > > > > >>> >>>
> > > > > >>> >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > *In Liberty,*
> > > >
> > > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> Syndrome
> > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> anyone
> > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> > faux
> > > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>