[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200524-01: Authorize Signing of Orlando Contract
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Sun May 31 15:02:32 EDT 2020
Everyone who requested should have a copy of the CoC approved contract. I
finally got some sleep last night so was late waking up and did not get any
requests last night. If you still need a copy let me know. I should be
fairly available all day or the others that now have a copy can forward to
you.
When you see it, your head should explode at the naked power grab by the
chair which is the only reason to refuse.
*In Liberty,*
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On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 12:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:
> I call upon the LNC to remove the chair if he forwards a signed contract
> outside of his authority.
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 12:11 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Richard, would you like to consider upgrading your vote to a "yes" now,
>> given that Nick has said he will only sign the unauthorized version?
>>
>> -Alicia
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 8:08 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Region 1 has been very split on this issue with many urging to support
>> and
>> > at least as many urging not to support. As a result of the split in the
>> > region and the vote now being moot due to the chair indicating he will
>> sign
>> > and turn in by tomorrow, I change my vote to abstain.
>> >
>> > I would like to see and discuss a change to the policy manual for a more
>> > permanent adjustment in our practices. If a future chair becomes
>> > temporarily incapacitated, I do think it important that we have a way to
>> > continue forward on such matters and we shouldn't leave it to a future
>> LNC
>> > to come up with the solution if we see the opportunity now.
>> >
>> > Richard Longstreth
>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > 931.538.9300
>> >
>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >
>> > On Sat, May 30, 2020, 19:26 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > It is fully up to date. If you think I missed someone please let me
>> > know.
>> > >
>> > > *In Liberty,*
>> > >
>> > > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>> anyone
>> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 7:27 PM <erin.adams at lp.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > When will the tally be updated on this vote?
>> > > >
>> > > > Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
>> > > >
>> > > > On May 29, 2020 5:10 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> > > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > It is good that we will have this in pocket though it looks like the
>> > > chair
>> > > > will now do his duty and sign which is far preferable.
>> > > >
>> > > > On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 3:54 PM Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
>> > > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Hello All,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > For some reason my Yes vote was not recorded, I intended to vote
>> Yes
>> > > > > when Mr. Merced offered his signature, as I believe the Vice
>> Chair is
>> > > > > the one who ought to legally be permitted to act in lieu of the
>> > Chair.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > In Liberty,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Steven Nekhaila
>> > > > > Region 2 Representative
>> > > > > Libertarian National Committee
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>> > > > > "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On 2020-05-25 05:15 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > > > > > Yes, in case the case does not sign the contract we have a fall
>> > back
>> > > > > > procedure with buyin from the LNC.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > ---
>> > > > > > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> > > > > > Libertarian National Committee
>> > > > > > 317-850-0726 Cell
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On 2020-05-25 15:32, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > > > > >> And it is not our normal procedure for the LNC to approve the
>> > > > > >> contract.
>> > > > > >> Where did that comes from?
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> The prior motions all approved the venue and authorized the
>> chair
>> > to
>> > > > > >> sign
>> > > > > >> on favorable terms.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> Are we adding new procedure now?
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:14 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business
>> <
>> > > > > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >>> Richard,
>> > > > > >>>
>> > > > > >>> You will have to take my word for it since he express that
>> > thought
>> > > > to
>> > > > > >>> me
>> > > > > >>> in a private telephone conversation about two weeks ago. And
>> > this
>> > > > > >>> motion does not preclude the Chair from signing the final
>> version
>> > > of
>> > > > > >>> the
>> > > > > >>> contract if he changes his mind. I am not advocating
>> removing
>> > him
>> > > > > >>> from
>> > > > > >>> office and would have to do very hard thinking before I voted
>> for
>> > > > > >>> such
>> > > > > >>> an extreme measure.
>> > > > > >>>
>> > > > > >>> ---
>> > > > > >>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> > > > > >>> Libertarian National Committee
>> > > > > >>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>> > > > > >>>
>> > > > > >>> On 2020-05-25 13:15, Richard Longstreth wrote:
>> > > > > >>>
>> > > > > >>> > I'm glad he told you Sam, but he didn't tell me or this
>> body.
>> > Can
>> > > > you
>> > > > > >>> verify those discussions?
>> > > > > >>> >
>> > > > > >>> > Because I've heard a lot about what the chair will do in the
>> > last
>> > > > two
>> > > > > >>> weeks and not a lick of it has come to pass.
>> > > > > >>> >
>> > > > > >>> > * Gavel in austin, no matter what
>> > > > > >>> > * Be amash's VP, then amash dropped out and Sarwark wasn't
>> even
>> > > > > >>> nominated with enough tokens
>> > > > > >>> > * Hijack the convention and force everything online
>> > > > > >>> > Etc
>> > > > > >>> > Etc
>> > > > > >>> > Etc
>> > > > > >>> >
>> > > > > >>> > Our chair is no saint. I can confirm some of the things that
>> > have
>> > > > > been
>> > > > > >>> put out there that atest to his character, but I am tired of
>> fear
>> > > of
>> > > > > >>> what
>> > > > > >>> our chair might do dictating actions of this board.
>> > > > > >>> >
>> > > > > >>> > We have procedures.
>> > > > > >>> > They should be followed.
>> > > > > >>> > If they are not, the LNC can then react appropriately.
>> > > > > >>> >
>> > > > > >>> > Believe me. I will be one of the first to motion to remove
>> Nick
>> > > > from
>> > > > > >>> office if he refuses to sign but just like we had to follow
>> our
>> > > > rules
>> > > > > >>> to
>> > > > > >>> have an in person. We need to follow then now for contract
>> > > approval.
>> > > > > >>> >
>> > > > > >>> > Richard Longstreth
>> > > > > >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,
>> > WA,
>> > > > WY)
>> > > > > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> > > > > >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > > > > >>> > 931.538.9300
>> > > > > >>> >
>> > > > > >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> > > > > >>> >
>> > > > > >>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:04 Sam Goldstein <
>> > sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > >>> >
>> > > > > >>> > Richard,
>> > > > > >>> >
>> > > > > >>> > The Chair told me in no uncertain terms that he would not
>> sign
>> > a
>> > > > > >>> contract for an in person convention this year. This motion
>> does
>> > > > not
>> > > > > >>> preclude him from changing his mind but does allow the LNC an
>> > > option
>> > > > > >>> if he
>> > > > > >>> does not. The hotel is not going to keep a block on our rooms
>> > > > > >>> forever.
>> > > > > >>> >
>> > > > > >>> > Sincerely,
>> > > > > >>> >
>> > > > > >>> > ---
>> > > > > >>> > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> > > > > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> > > > > >>> > 317-850-0726 Cell
>> > > > > >>> >
>> > > > > >>> > On 2020-05-25 12:24, Richard Longstreth wrote:
>> > > > > >>> > I want to be clear here:
>> > > > > >>> >
>> > > > > >>> > I read this motion as authorizing any officer to sign the
>> > > > contract
>> > > > > that
>> > > > > >>> was recommended by the COC. So far we have only the one from
>> > > > Saturday
>> > > > > >>> as
>> > > > > >>> recommended by them and there are concerns. The time to sign
>> is
>> > not
>> > > > > >>> yet
>> > > > > >>> ripe and the chair indicated he will not be in attendance, not
>> > that
>> > > > > >>> he will
>> > > > > >>> not sign.
>> > > > > >>> >
>> > > > > >>> > I think a better way to do this is to have the LNC approve
>> the
>> > > > > contract
>> > > > > >>> once concerns are resolved, ask Nick to sign, if he refuses,
>> then
>> > > do
>> > > > > >>> the
>> > > > > >>> motion we are debating now. I think we are putting the cart
>> > before
>> > > > > >>> the
>> > > > > >>> horse right now.
>> > > > > >>> > Richard Longstreth
>> > > > > >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,
>> > WA,
>> > > > WY)
>> > > > > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> > > > > >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > > > > >>> > 931.538.9300
>> > > > > >>> >
>> > > > > >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> > > > > >>> >
>> > > > > >>> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 09:09 sam.goldstein--- via
>> Lnc-business <
>> > > > > >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > > > >>> > The motion Daniel referred to is the AV contract, not the
>> hotel
>> > > > > >>> contract.
>> > > > > >>> >
>> > > > > >>> > Sam Goldstein
>> > > > > >>> >
>> > > > > >>> > On May 25, 2020 11:59 AM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
>> > > > > >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > > > >>> >
>> > > > > >>> > I would suggest that the LNC meet with Oliver Hall, our
>> legal
>> > > > > council,
>> > > > > >>> > under executive session in order to be briefed on any
>> concerns
>> > > and
>> > > > > >>> > insights that we should be made aware. At that point, the
>> body
>> > > > could
>> > > > > >>> > consult with the CoC in a separate session, and then come
>> to a
>> > > > > >>> > conclusion on our next course of action. Once we have all of
>> > the
>> > > > > >>> > information, from all sides, then we can make the best
>> > > > > recommendations.
>> > > > > >>> >
>> > > > > >>> > In Liberty,
>> > > > > >>> >
>> > > > > >>> > Steven Nekhaila
>> > > > > >>> > Region 2 Representative
>> > > > > >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> > > > > >>> >
>> > > > > >>> > Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>> > > > > >>> > "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>> > > > > >>> >
>> > > > > >>> > On 2020-05-25 11:31 AM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > > >>> >> I change my vote to no.
>> > > > > >>> >>
>> > > > > >>> >> This motion came quickly and after combing through and
>> > reviewing
>> > > > > >>> >> mountains
>> > > > > >>> >> of emails received throughout this weekend, I see the
>> > > > discrepancies
>> > > > > >>> >> noted
>> > > > > >>> >> by Mr O'Donnell. Further, I misunderstood this motion. I
>> took
>> > it
>> > > > to
>> > > > > >>> >> read
>> > > > > >>> >> that any officer could sign when the time was appropriate,
>> not
>> > > to
>> > > > > sign
>> > > > > >>> >> now.
>> > > > > >>> >>
>> > > > > >>> >> While Nick has made it clear that he will not sign the
>> > contract
>> > > > to
>> > > > > me
>> > > > > >>> >> based
>> > > > > >>> >> on his remarks and behavior at the e-convention,
>> authorizing
>> > > > > anybody to
>> > > > > >>> >> do
>> > > > > >>> >> so right now is a mistake until it is fully finalized and
>> all
>> > > > > concerns
>> > > > > >>> >> addressed. If that happens before this vote expires, I will
>> > > > change
>> > > > > back
>> > > > > >>> >> to
>> > > > > >>> >> yes. I realize the convention was busy for many and
>> encourage
>> > > all
>> > > > on
>> > > > > >>> >> this
>> > > > > >>> >> body to read the relevant emails to gain a full
>> understanding
>> > of
>> > > > > where
>> > > > > >>> >> we
>> > > > > >>> >> stand. I don't think we are ready to sign yet.
>> > > > > >>> >>
>> > > > > >>> >> Richard Longstreth
>> > > > > >>> >> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR,
>> UT,
>> > WA,
>> > > > WY)
>> > > > > >>> >> Libertarian National Committee
>> > > > > >>> >> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > > > > >>> >> 931.538.9300
>> > > > > >>> >>
>> > > > > >>> >> Sent from my Mobile Device
>> > > > > >>> >>
>> > > > > >>> >> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 08:07 justin.odonnell--- via
>> > Lnc-business
>> > > <
>> > > > > >>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > > > >>> >>
>> > > > > >>> >>> I vote No
>> > > > > >>> >>>
>> > > > > >>> >>> At 4:17 PM sunday, Mr. Hayes sent us all an email
>> admitting
>> > > that
>> > > > > this
>> > > > > >>> >>> contract had not yet been reviewed. As the revisions had
>> just
>> > > > been
>> > > > > >>> >>> recieved, despite his insistance while speaking during the
>> > > > > convention
>> > > > > >>> >>> that
>> > > > > >>> >>> it was rock solid and had been reviewed and cleared.
>> > > > > >>> >>>
>> > > > > >>> >>> Mr. Goldstein has been posting on social media and on this
>> > list
>> > > > > upset
>> > > > > >>> >>> about the leak of confidential contract information,
>> claiming
>> > > > its
>> > > > > an
>> > > > > >>> >>> issue
>> > > > > >>> >>> because the contract is still being negotiated and we dont
>> > have
>> > > > a
>> > > > > >>> >>> final
>> > > > > >>> >>> version yet.
>> > > > > >>> >>>
>> > > > > >>> >>> The contract that was provided to the LNC Via Email on
>> > Saturday
>> > > > > >>> >>> morning
>> > > > > >>> >>> was quickly followed by remarks from Mr. Hall, the LNC's
>> > > > retained
>> > > > > >>> >>> council,
>> > > > > >>> >>> advising of what was in his opinion an incredibly
>> unfavorable
>> > > > > contract
>> > > > > >>> >>> with
>> > > > > >>> >>> regards to riak assignment to the LNC given the
>> > circumstances.
>> > > > > >>> >>>
>> > > > > >>> >>> I could be convinced to change my vote to yes, but not
>> until
>> > > the
>> > > > > >>> >>> members
>> > > > > >>> >>> of the CoC get on the same page and start spinning the
>> same
>> > > > story
>> > > > > >>> >>> consistently at least, rather than insisting the contract
>> is
>> > > > fine
>> > > > > and
>> > > > > >>> >>> ready
>> > > > > >>> >>> during public debate but admitting it hasnt been reviewed
>> > > > > privately.
>> > > > > >>> >>>
>> > > > > >>> >>> I will also wait until the contract is returned with a
>> > > favorable
>> > > > > >>> >>> review
>> > > > > >>> >>> from our attorney, Mr. Hall.
>> > > > > >>> >>>
>> > > > > >>> >>> On a side note, Region 8 will be holding an election for
>> my
>> > > > > >>> >>> replacement
>> > > > > >>> >>> electronically next Week, I wish I could say it had been a
>> > > > > pleasure to
>> > > > > >>> >>> serve with everyone on this board, but unfortunately that
>> > would
>> > > > > not be
>> > > > > >>> >>> displaying the same level of honesty I'll asking of the
>> CoC
>> > > > > members.
>> > > > > >>> >>> The
>> > > > > >>> >>> last few months this board has been torn apart with
>> childish
>> > > > > >>> >>> factionalism
>> > > > > >>> >>> and idiotic conflicts of personal natures. Many on this
>> board
>> > > > could
>> > > > > >>> >>> benefit
>> > > > > >>> >>> from a re-reading of Non-Violent communication, and a
>> > > > realization
>> > > > > that
>> > > > > >>> >>> you
>> > > > > >>> >>> dont need to be so quick to throw a noose over the branch
>> at
>> > > > every
>> > > > > >>> >>> percieved slight. I'm embarrased to have been part of this
>> > > board
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > >>> >>> past
>> > > > > >>> >>> few months, and I'm ashamed for the members of our party
>> who
>> > > > have
>> > > > > to
>> > > > > >>> >>> explain our conduct.
>> > > > > >>> >>>
>> > > > > >>> >>>
>> > > > > >>> >>> Regards,
>> > > > > >>> >>> Justin O'Donnell
>> > > > > >>> >>> LNC Region 8 Representative
>> > > > > >>> >>>
>> > > > > >>> >>> On May 25, 2020 10:38 AM, Steven Nekhaila via
>> Lnc-business <
>> > > > > >>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > > > >>> >>>
>> > > > > >>> >>> I vote Aye.
>> > > > > >>> >>>
>> > > > > >>> >>> In Liberty,
>> > > > > >>> >>>
>> > > > > >>> >>> Steven Nekhaila
>> > > > > >>> >>> Region 2 Representative
>> > > > > >>> >>> Libertarian National Committee
>> > > > > >>> >>>
>> > > > > >>> >>> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>> > > > > >>> >>> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>> > > > > >>> >>>
>> > > > > >>> >>> On 2020-05-25 09:56 AM, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business
>> > wrote:
>> > > > > >>> >>>> I vote yes.
>> > > > > >>> >>>>
>> > > > > >>> >>>> -Joshua
>> > > > > >>> >>>>
>> > > > > >>> >>>> On May 25, 2020 12:11 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>> Lnc-business
>> > > > > >>> >>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > > > >>> >>>>
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>> > > > > >>> >>>>>
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 31, 2020
>> at
>> > > > > 11:59:59
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> pm
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> Pacific time.
>> > > > > >>> >>>>>
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth,
>> > Mattson,
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> Merced,
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith
>> > > > > >>> >>>>>
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> =============================================
>> > > > > >>> >>>>>
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> Motion: Move to authorize any Party officer to execute
>> the
>> > > > > Orlando
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> convention contract recommended by the Convention
>> Oversight
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> Committee.
>> > > > > >>> >>>>>
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> =============================================
>> > > > > >>> >>>>>
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
>> > > > > >>> >>>>>
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of
>> votes
>> > > > here:
>> > > > > >>> >>>>>
>> > > > > >>> >>>>
>> > > > > >>> >>>
>> > > > > >>>
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1074776901
>> > > > > .
>> > > > > >>>
>> > > > > >>> >>>
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast
>> for
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> verification. You
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> can find the time that the manual tally was last
>> updated at
>> > > > the
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> bottom of
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> the sheet.
>> > > > > >>> >>>>>
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>> > > > > >>> >>>>>
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> * In Liberty,*
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as
>> > Asperger's
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> Syndrome
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect
>> > > inter-personal
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic
>> > arenas.
>> > > > If
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> anyone
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>> > other
>> > > > > social
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> faux
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and
>> > let
>> > > > me
>> > > > > >>> >>>>> know. *
>> > > > > >>> >>>
>> > > > > >>> >>>
>> > > > > >>> >>>
>> > > > > >>>
>> > > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > >
>> > > > *In Liberty,*
>> > > >
>> > > > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> Syndrome
>> > > > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
>> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
>> anyone
>> > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> > faux
>> > > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
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