[Lnc-business] Forwarding a message for Ms. Ryan

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

Ms Ryan, then why did you ask me to ask Mr Hayes if the meeting was
recorded?

So I direct the question back, was the meeting recorded?

On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 5:51 PM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org> wrote:

> Nope, in a room arranged by Ms. Ryan since Mr. Hayes had been fired as
> COC Chair by then.
>
> ---
> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> Libertarian National Committee
> Convention Oversight Committee
> 317-850-0726 Cell
>
> On 2020-06-04 19:47, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > Was this meeting done in Mr Hayes’ zoom room?
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 5:27 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I agree with Mr. Goldstein that Ms. Ryan's recollection is inaccurate.
> >>  I
> >> assure you that the relevant part of the conversation went like this:
> >>
> >> ----------------------------
> >> Ms. Ryan:  The last order of business is something I didn’t want to
> >> bring
> >> up, but I’ve been painted into a corner by the chair.  He has
> >> requested
> >> that we send him our recommendation for the seat that’s on the COC.
> >> If you
> >> feel the seat is not available, I urge you to abstain from the vote.
> >> So,
> >> any…?
> >>
> >> COC member:  Why don’t we take a consensus here of who thinks that the
> >> seat
> >> is not open?
> >> Ms. Ryan:  It doesn’t matter.  I have to do this.  This is my order
> >> from
> >> the chair.
> >> [...]
> >> Me:  The chair can’t give you orders like that.  This is under…
> >> Ms. Ryan:  I work at the pleasure of the chair.
> >> [...discussion of whether there is a vacancy, the ongoing LNC email
> >> ballots, and our desire to wait for email ballot results...]
> >> Me:  So to deal with the agenda item, I’ll move to postpone it to next
> >> week
> >> so we can see how the email ballots play out.
> >> (second)
> >> Ms. Ryan:  I’m not going to do that.  I’ve been ordered.  I will pass
> >> on…
> >> Me:  Nick can’t order me not to postpone.
> >> ----------------------------
> >>
> >> -Alicia
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 7:01 AM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Dear All,
> >> >
> >> > Apparently the Chair of the Convention Oversight Committee responded
> to a
> >> > number of LNC members about representations that were made by certain
> LNC
> >> > members. Ms. Ryan had requested that her response be shared with the
> >> > business list, but her Regional Representative did not do so.
> >> >
> >> > Her response is below:
> >> > ***
> >> > “Can you post this for me? If there are things in it that you feel
> >> > shouldn't be on the thread, go ahead and remove it - that is except
> for
> >> the
> >> > first sentence.  Robert sent me a note asking about this same issue
> but I
> >> > think may answer didn't fit the narrative as I didn't see it post.
> The
> >> > committee refuses to recommend someone, even Daniel because that will
> >> prove
> >> > there is a vacancy.  I need to get back to work but thank you for
> >> > everything.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I, Ms. Ryan was never bullied by the Chairman. He asked me to call
> for a
> >> > vote last weekend but the committee had other things on our plate. I
> >> > brought it up as the last order of business and said Mr. Sarwark would
> >> like
> >> > a vote of the committee. I did say I serve at the pleasure of the
> Chair
> >> > because I do.
> >> >
> >> > Someone motioned that we table the question although there was no
> motion
> >> > made to table.  Besides we rule by consensus. rarely taking a
> "vote".  I
> >> > said I was fine telling the Chairman that there was no recommendation
> >> from
> >> > the committee at this time.
> >> >
> >> > I do feel the Chairman was correct in his request and his reading of
> the
> >> > policy manual.  The Chairman has the right to unilaterally seat and
> >> > therefore the right to remove the non-LNC members of the committee.
> >> > Therefore there is a vacancy on the committee, which the members of
> the
> >> > committee refused to accept.
> >> >
> >> > Changing the policy manual is up to the LNC but I caution doing that
> in
> >> the
> >> > heat of a controversy.”
> >> > ***
> >> >
> >> > Yours in liberty,
> >> > Nick
> >> >
> >>
>
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