[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200531-1 APPEAL FROM THE RULING OF THE CHAIR CONCERNING REMOVAL OF DANIEL HAYES FROM THE COC

[Elizabeth Van Horn]

I'll remind this committee that Mr. Brown has been known to be wrong, 
and to correct himself when someone points out a different argument.

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Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
Chair-Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
http://www.lpcaucus.org/

On 2020-06-07 07:01, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> Some emails got posted in the wrong thread.  I am sure Mr. Coburn knows
> where the belonged.
> 
> On this I remind the rest of the LNC that our convention 
> parliamentarian
> Mr. Brown has concurred with Ms. Mattson and I.
> 
> *  In Liberty,*
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social 
> faux
> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know.  
> *
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 4:42 AM Caryn Ann Harlos 
> <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> If you would like the direct quote from counsel I can provide it.
>> 
>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 4:42 AM Caryn Ann Harlos 
>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> He does not have the unilateral power of appointment.  He cannot 
>>> appoint
>>> someone not recommended.  He does have that power with regards to the 
>>> chair.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 12:50 AM Tucker Coburn <tucker.coburn at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I vote yes.
>>>> 
>>>> As the Secretary has pointed out, this vote is about whether the 
>>>> Chair's
>>>> action was proper, not whether we agree or disagree with it.
>>>> For that reason and the explanation below, I would urge members that
>>>> have voted no to reconsider, particularly those that have paid close
>>>> attention to RONR over the past couple months.
>>>> 
>>>> Page 177 of Robert's is very clear in stating
>>>> the power to remove or replace members of the committee: If a single
>>>> person, such as the president, has the power of appointment, he has 
>>>> the
>>>> power to remove or replace a member so appointed; ...""Unless the 
>>>> bylaws or
>>>> other governing rules provide otherwise, the appointing authority 
>>>> has
>>>> 
>>>> I disagree with the Secretary and Ms. Mattson. Though the policy 
>>>> manual
>>>> provides for a recommendation from the Members of the COC, it 
>>>> explicitly
>>>> leaves the selection to the Chair. Further to the point, the 
>>>> Secretary's
>>>> Report (Pg 64) from the 2018 December LNC Meeting Minutes states, 
>>>> "The
>>>> LNC Chair appointed Daniel Hayes, Ken Moellman, and Drew Layda as 
>>>> the
>>>> non-LNC members of this committee." There is no mention of the COC
>>>> members appointing these three as they did not: they recommended 
>>>> them to
>>>> the Chair for selection.
>>>> 
>>>> The Chair has the sole power of appointment and thus also has the 
>>>> sole
>>>> power to remove.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> --
>>>> Tucker Coburn
>>>> LNC Region 8 Representative
>>>> www.lp.org
>>>> 
>>>> On 2020-06-06 13:58, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>> > I vote no and believe that the arguments have been thoroughly laid out.
>>>> >
>>>> > To Mr. Bishop-Henchman's point specifically, there is a distinct
>>>> > difference
>>>> > between the president appointing and the Senate then confirming versus
>>>> > the
>>>> > committee recommending and the chair then appointing. The spirit of
>>>> > your
>>>> > argument is certainly similar, but I see too much difference in the
>>>> > circumstances to be convinced.
>>>> >
>>>> > Richard Longstreth
>>>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>>>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>> > 931.538.9300
>>>> >
>>>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020, 07:36 Jeff Hewitt via Lnc-business <
>>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> I vote no. Jeff Hewitt Region 4 Rep
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 2020-06-06 00:01, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>> >> > I vote no.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > -Alicia
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 1:18 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>>> >> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> EMAIL BALLOT 200531-1  APPEAL FROM THE RULING OF THE CHAIR
>>>> CONCERNING
>>>> >> >> REMOVAL OF DANIEL HAYES FROM THE COC
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by June 7, 2020 at 11:59:59
>>>> pm
>>>> >> >> Pacific time.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Co-Sponsors:  Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth, Phillips, Smith
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> =============================================
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Motion: The Chair has ruled he can not only remove Daniel Hayes as
>>>> CoC
>>>> >> >> chair but also from the committee entirely.  Harlos appeals from
>>>> the
>>>> >> >> ruling
>>>> >> >> of the chair that he can remove Hayes from the committee without
>>>> CoC
>>>> >> >> approval since appointment required CoC approval.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> =============================================
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> THRESHOLD REQUIRED:  A majority vote is required to overturn the
>>>> >> >> ruling of
>>>> >> >> the chair.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1053534570
>>>> >> >> .
>>>> >> >> Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
>>>> >> >> verification. You
>>>> >> >> can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the
>>>> bottom
>>>> >> >> of
>>>> >> >> the sheet.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> *  In Liberty,*
>>>> >> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>>> Syndrome
>>>> >> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>>> >> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>>>> >> >> anyone
>>>> >> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>>>> social
>>>> >> >> faux
>>>> >> >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
>>>> know.
>>>> >> >> *
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>> 
>>> *  In Liberty,*
>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's 
>>> Syndrome
>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If 
>>> anyone
>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social 
>>> faux
>>> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. 
>>>  *
>>> 
>> --
>> 
>> *  In Liberty,*
>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If 
>> anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social 
>> faux
>> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know.  
>> *
>>