[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200531-1 APPEAL FROM THE RULING OF THE CHAIR CONCERNING REMOVAL OF DANIEL HAYES FROM THE COC

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

He has.  And he has been following this discussion and has not yet reversed
his analysis.

*  In Liberty,*
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On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 6:41 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
wrote:

> I'll remind this committee that Mr. Brown has been known to be wrong,
> and to correct himself when someone points out a different argument.
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> Chair-Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>
> On 2020-06-07 07:01, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > Some emails got posted in the wrong thread.  I am sure Mr. Coburn knows
> > where the belonged.
> >
> > On this I remind the rest of the LNC that our convention
> > parliamentarian
> > Mr. Brown has concurred with Ms. Mattson and I.
> >
> > *  In Liberty,*
> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> > faux
> > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know.
> > *
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 4:42 AM Caryn Ann Harlos
> > <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> If you would like the direct quote from counsel I can provide it.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 4:42 AM Caryn Ann Harlos
> >> <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> He does not have the unilateral power of appointment.  He cannot
> >>> appoint
> >>> someone not recommended.  He does have that power with regards to the
> >>> chair.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 12:50 AM Tucker Coburn <tucker.coburn at lp.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I vote yes.
> >>>>
> >>>> As the Secretary has pointed out, this vote is about whether the
> >>>> Chair's
> >>>> action was proper, not whether we agree or disagree with it.
> >>>> For that reason and the explanation below, I would urge members that
> >>>> have voted no to reconsider, particularly those that have paid close
> >>>> attention to RONR over the past couple months.
> >>>>
> >>>> Page 177 of Robert's is very clear in stating
> >>>> the power to remove or replace members of the committee: If a single
> >>>> person, such as the president, has the power of appointment, he has
> >>>> the
> >>>> power to remove or replace a member so appointed; ...""Unless the
> >>>> bylaws or
> >>>> other governing rules provide otherwise, the appointing authority
> >>>> has
> >>>>
> >>>> I disagree with the Secretary and Ms. Mattson. Though the policy
> >>>> manual
> >>>> provides for a recommendation from the Members of the COC, it
> >>>> explicitly
> >>>> leaves the selection to the Chair. Further to the point, the
> >>>> Secretary's
> >>>> Report (Pg 64) from the 2018 December LNC Meeting Minutes states,
> >>>> "The
> >>>> LNC Chair appointed Daniel Hayes, Ken Moellman, and Drew Layda as
> >>>> the
> >>>> non-LNC members of this committee." There is no mention of the COC
> >>>> members appointing these three as they did not: they recommended
> >>>> them to
> >>>> the Chair for selection.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Chair has the sole power of appointment and thus also has the
> >>>> sole
> >>>> power to remove.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you,
> >>>> --
> >>>> Tucker Coburn
> >>>> LNC Region 8 Representative
> >>>> www.lp.org
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2020-06-06 13:58, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>>> > I vote no and believe that the arguments have been thoroughly laid
> out.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > To Mr. Bishop-Henchman's point specifically, there is a distinct
> >>>> > difference
> >>>> > between the president appointing and the Senate then confirming
> versus
> >>>> > the
> >>>> > committee recommending and the chair then appointing. The spirit of
> >>>> > your
> >>>> > argument is certainly similar, but I see too much difference in the
> >>>> > circumstances to be convinced.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> >>>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>> > 931.538.9300
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020, 07:36 Jeff Hewitt via Lnc-business <
> >>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> I vote no. Jeff Hewitt Region 4 Rep
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On 2020-06-06 00:01, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>>> >> > I vote no.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > -Alicia
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 1:18 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via
> Lnc-business <
> >>>> >> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> >> EMAIL BALLOT 200531-1  APPEAL FROM THE RULING OF THE CHAIR
> >>>> CONCERNING
> >>>> >> >> REMOVAL OF DANIEL HAYES FROM THE COC
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by June 7, 2020 at
> 11:59:59
> >>>> pm
> >>>> >> >> Pacific time.
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> Co-Sponsors:  Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth, Phillips, Smith
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> =============================================
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> Motion: The Chair has ruled he can not only remove Daniel Hayes
> as
> >>>> CoC
> >>>> >> >> chair but also from the committee entirely.  Harlos appeals from
> >>>> the
> >>>> >> >> ruling
> >>>> >> >> of the chair that he can remove Hayes from the committee without
> >>>> CoC
> >>>> >> >> approval since appointment required CoC approval.
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> =============================================
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> THRESHOLD REQUIRED:  A majority vote is required to overturn the
> >>>> >> >> ruling of
> >>>> >> >> the chair.
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes
> here:
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1053534570
> >>>> >> >> .
> >>>> >> >> Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
> >>>> >> >> verification. You
> >>>> >> >> can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the
> >>>> bottom
> >>>> >> >> of
> >>>> >> >> the sheet.
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> *  In Liberty,*
> >>>> >> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>>> Syndrome
> >>>> >> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>>> >> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >>>> >> >> anyone
> >>>> >> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> >>>> social
> >>>> >> >> faux
> >>>> >> >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
> >>>> know.
> >>>> >> >> *
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>
> >>> *  In Liberty,*
> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>> Syndrome
> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >>> anyone
> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >>> faux
> >>> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know.
> >>>  *
> >>>
> >> --
> >>
> >> *  In Liberty,*
> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >> anyone
> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >> faux
> >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know.
> >> *
> >>
>