[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200606-1 AMEND POLICY MANUAL 2.04.3

[Alicia Mattson]

I vote no.

I think it's an overreaction to require that the LNC approve convention
contracts.  The COC is created to specialize in those details, and they
shouldn't have to argue with an entire board (many of whom may have never
done a convention contract before) over the size of the room block, F&B
spending patterns, etc.

I would vote in favor of a narrow clarification that it requires an LNC
action to cancel a convention contract.

Also, this creates a contradiction with PM Section 2.02.7, which says one
of the COC tasks is:  "reviewing and approving in a timely manner major
elements, such as contracts, the convention budget and the convention
program."

This policy would also require LNC action to approve an a/v contract for
the convention because it exceeds $25k, which I think the COC should be
able to do on its own.  Would it also apply to our F&B orders for
convention?  They're part of the convention contract, but we have to sign
off on the BEO forms which are kinda like a contract.  I just think the COC
needs to handle those without a need for LNC intervention.

-Alicia



On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 2:55 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> We are allowed to debate in a ballot threads.  So I will continue to.
> Starting separate threads disconnects the debate from the votes.  We have
> always been allowed to debate in ballot threads.  I appreciate it is not
> your preference, but I do not surrender that right.
>
> *  In Liberty,*
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>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 3:47 PM Elizabeth Van Horn <
> elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I'd appreciate it if the LNC Secretary would stop replying with arguments
> > against other LNC member's votes, and statements, in ballot threads.  If
> > arguments need to be made, create another thread.
> >
> > Thank you.
> > ---
> > Elizabeth Van Horn
> > LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2020-06-07 17:41, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> >
> >
> > *  In Liberty,*
> >
> > Mr. Hall has insisted he is not general counsel but special counsel.  And
> > he has previously said he does not approve but advise.
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 3:40 PM Elizabeth Van Horn <
> > elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I was using the language from our LNC Policy Manual section 2.04,  were
> >> it says:
> >>
> >> "All contracts of more than one (1) year in duration or for more than
> >> $25,000 shall be reviewed and approved by General Counsel..."
> >>
> >> The words "General Counsel" are also used elsewhere in the same policy
> >> manual section.  So, yes, we do have general counsel.
> >>
> >> Yes, the General Counsel we do have does approve.  You don't like that,
> >> so are trying to change it, but that is the situation we have.
> >>
> >> One doesn't need to be elected to the LNC to make decisions.  The LNC
> >> empowers other committees, staff, contractors, and our legal counsel to
> >> make decisions.  That's what a smart board does.
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Elizabeth Van Horn
> >> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2020-06-07 16:53, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> >>
> >> We do not have general counsel and counsel we do have does not approve,
> >> nor should they.  They are not elected to make decisions.
> >>
> >> *  In Liberty,*
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 1:40 PM Elizabeth Van Horn <
> >> elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I vote No.
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Because I think the LNC would be shirking it's fiduciary duty to remove
> >>> the "and approved" by General Counsel.
> >>>
> >>> The LNC pays for sound legal counsel. Our legal counsel gives an
> >>> independent opinion of approval, that is outside of the internal LP
> >>> politics. I think it's important that we keep that method.
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> Elizabeth Van Horn
> >>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 2020-06-07 02:13, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>> > We have an electronic mail ballot.
> >>> >
> >>> > Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by JUNE 13 2020 at 11:59:59 pm
> >>> > Pacific time.
> >>> >
> >>> > Co-Sponsors:  Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth, Phillips, Smith
> >>> >
> >>> > =============================================
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Motion: Amend Policy Manual 2.04.3 as per the attached.
> >>> >
> >>> > =============================================
> >>> >
> >>> > THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
> >>> >
> >>> > You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
> >>> >
> >>>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1549468988
> >>> .
> >>> > Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
> >>> verification.
> >>> > You
> >>> > can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the
> bottom
> >>> > of
> >>> > the sheet.
> >>> >
> >>
> >>
>