[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200603-01: Change authority to cancel Orlando contract

Tue Jun 9 10:04:17 EDT 2020

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*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
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On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 3:43 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> I am not making one.  I am stating an opinion.
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 3:22 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear Ms. Harlos,
>>
>> If there is something that leads you to believe you have the authority to
>> make parliamentary rulings without a vote of the body, I'm very interested
>> in reading it.
>>
>> Yours truly,
>> Nick
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 5:16 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Here are my thoughts and what I intend to do.  This motion is not out of
>> > order and Ms. Mattson noted correctly a pattern of behaviour.  And I
>> fully
>> > believe that if we start one on a policy manual change the chair will
>> then
>> > try to claim it can't apply to existing contracts though it certainly
>> can.
>> > I encourage people to vote on this ballot and on a policy manual change
>> > that I am going to workshop with people off list.
>> >
>> > If at the end the chair rules this one out of order still, I will appeal
>> > the ruling of the chair.  It is unfortunate that our chair is making
>> things
>> > so tedious but if that is the game we are forced to play, I will do for
>> the
>> > good of the Party
>> >
>> > *In Liberty,*
>> >
>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 2:10 PM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Agreed Ms Adams,
>> > >
>> > > which is what I thought we had been discussing, and admittedly did not
>> > > check closely when it popped up amongst being bombarded by the latest
>> > email
>> > > form blast.
>> > >
>> > > I would change my vote but I believe it is moot at this point as I
>> > > understand corrected language is being worked on.
>> > >
>> > > John Phillips
>> > > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> > > Cell 217-412-5973
>> > >
>> > > On Jun 4, 2020 2:31 PM, "erin.adams--- via Lnc-business" <
>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > If a motion like this is going to be moved it should be in my opinion
>> > > moved as a policy manual change that affects all contracts of a
>> similar
>> > > nature moving forward. If it's good policy, and I believe that it is,
>> > then
>> > > it should Simply Be Good policy and not a one-time usage clause
>> > >
>> > > Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
>> > >
>> > > On Jun 4, 2020 1:43 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > The chair's attempt to abuse his authority continues, with this
>> attempt
>> > to
>> > > declare anything he dislikes to be "out of order."  This motion has
>> been
>> > > on
>> > > the list with cosponsors for two days, yet the chair waited until
>> voting
>> > > was underway to say anything.  His ruling is neither correct nor
>> timely,
>> > > and it's just obstructionism.  He will play us all the way to Orlando
>> if
>> > > we
>> > > let him, so let's continue the vote.
>> > >
>> > > I vote yes again, just to emphasize my opinion of the chair's
>> attempted
>> > > ruling.
>> > >
>> > > -Alicia
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 8:35 AM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Dear All,
>> > > >
>> > > > This motion is out of order.
>> > > >
>> > > > A vote of the LNC has no legal effect on the provisions of an
>> already
>> > > > executed contract.
>> > > >
>> > > > A motion to change the Policy Manual would be in order.  A motion to
>> > > > rescind the executed contract would be in order. A motion resolving
>> the
>> > > > sense of the LNC that the Chair should not cancel the contract under
>> > any
>> > > > circumstance would be in order.
>> > > >
>> > > > But this motion is not.
>> > > >
>> > > > Yours truly,
>> > > > Nick
>> > > >
>> > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 2:32 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> > > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > We have an electronic mail ballot.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by JJune 10, 2020 at
>> 11:59:59
>> > > pm
>> > > > > Pacific time.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Co-Sponsors:  Goldstein, Harlos, Mattson, Phillips
>> > > > >
>> > > > > =============================================
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Motion: Cancellation or force majeure clauses in the contract with
>> > > Rosen
>> > > > > Shingle
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Creek for the 2020 convention in Orlando, FL may only be
>> exercised by
>> > > a
>> > > > >
>> > > > > majority of the entire membership of the LNC.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > =============================================
>> > > > >
>> > > > > THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1318840768
>> > > > > Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
>> > > verification.
>> > > > You
>> > > > > can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the
>> > bottom
>> > > of
>> > > > > the sheet.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > *  In Liberty,*
>> > > > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> > Syndrome
>> > > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> > > anyone
>> > > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> social
>> > > faux
>> > > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
>> know.
>> > > *
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