[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200603-01: Change authority to cancel Orlando contract

Tue Jun 9 11:15:24 EDT 2020

Yes

Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
Libertarian National Committee
richard.longstreth at lp.org
931.538.9300

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On Tue, Jun 9, 2020, 07:04 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

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> *In Liberty,*
>
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> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
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> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 3:43 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I am not making one.  I am stating an opinion.
> >
> > *In Liberty,*
> >
> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 3:22 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Ms. Harlos,
> >>
> >> If there is something that leads you to believe you have the authority
> to
> >> make parliamentary rulings without a vote of the body, I'm very
> interested
> >> in reading it.
> >>
> >> Yours truly,
> >> Nick
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 5:16 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Here are my thoughts and what I intend to do.  This motion is not out
> of
> >> > order and Ms. Mattson noted correctly a pattern of behaviour.  And I
> >> fully
> >> > believe that if we start one on a policy manual change the chair will
> >> then
> >> > try to claim it can't apply to existing contracts though it certainly
> >> can.
> >> > I encourage people to vote on this ballot and on a policy manual
> change
> >> > that I am going to workshop with people off list.
> >> >
> >> > If at the end the chair rules this one out of order still, I will
> appeal
> >> > the ruling of the chair.  It is unfortunate that our chair is making
> >> things
> >> > so tedious but if that is the game we are forced to play, I will do
> for
> >> the
> >> > good of the Party
> >> >
> >> > *In Liberty,*
> >> >
> >> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> >> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> anyone
> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >> faux
> >> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 2:10 PM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
> >> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Agreed Ms Adams,
> >> > >
> >> > > which is what I thought we had been discussing, and admittedly did
> not
> >> > > check closely when it popped up amongst being bombarded by the
> latest
> >> > email
> >> > > form blast.
> >> > >
> >> > > I would change my vote but I believe it is moot at this point as I
> >> > > understand corrected language is being worked on.
> >> > >
> >> > > John Phillips
> >> > > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> >> > > Cell 217-412-5973
> >> > >
> >> > > On Jun 4, 2020 2:31 PM, "erin.adams--- via Lnc-business" <
> >> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > If a motion like this is going to be moved it should be in my
> opinion
> >> > > moved as a policy manual change that affects all contracts of a
> >> similar
> >> > > nature moving forward. If it's good policy, and I believe that it
> is,
> >> > then
> >> > > it should Simply Be Good policy and not a one-time usage clause
> >> > >
> >> > > Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
> >> > >
> >> > > On Jun 4, 2020 1:43 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
> >> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > The chair's attempt to abuse his authority continues, with this
> >> attempt
> >> > to
> >> > > declare anything he dislikes to be "out of order."  This motion has
> >> been
> >> > > on
> >> > > the list with cosponsors for two days, yet the chair waited until
> >> voting
> >> > > was underway to say anything.  His ruling is neither correct nor
> >> timely,
> >> > > and it's just obstructionism.  He will play us all the way to
> Orlando
> >> if
> >> > > we
> >> > > let him, so let's continue the vote.
> >> > >
> >> > > I vote yes again, just to emphasize my opinion of the chair's
> >> attempted
> >> > > ruling.
> >> > >
> >> > > -Alicia
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 8:35 AM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
> >> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Dear All,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > This motion is out of order.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > A vote of the LNC has no legal effect on the provisions of an
> >> already
> >> > > > executed contract.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > A motion to change the Policy Manual would be in order.  A motion
> to
> >> > > > rescind the executed contract would be in order. A motion
> resolving
> >> the
> >> > > > sense of the LNC that the Chair should not cancel the contract
> under
> >> > any
> >> > > > circumstance would be in order.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > But this motion is not.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Yours truly,
> >> > > > Nick
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 2:32 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> >> > > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > We have an electronic mail ballot.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by JJune 10, 2020 at
> >> 11:59:59
> >> > > pm
> >> > > > > Pacific time.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Co-Sponsors:  Goldstein, Harlos, Mattson, Phillips
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > =============================================
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Motion: Cancellation or force majeure clauses in the contract
> with
> >> > > Rosen
> >> > > > > Shingle
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Creek for the 2020 convention in Orlando, FL may only be
> >> exercised by
> >> > > a
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > majority of the entire membership of the LNC.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > =============================================
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes
> here:
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> >> > > > > Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
> >> > > verification.
> >> > > > You
> >> > > > > can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the
> >> > bottom
> >> > > of
> >> > > > > the sheet.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > *  In Liberty,*
> >> > > > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >> > Syndrome
> >> > > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> > > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >> > > anyone
> >> > > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> >> social
> >> > > faux
> >> > > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
> >> know.
> >> > > *
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