[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200603-01: Change authority to cancel Orlando contract

Tue Jun 9 20:18:59 EDT 2020

I vote Aye on this motion.

In Liberty,

Steven Nekhaila
Region 2 Representative
Libertarian National Committee

Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
"Those without power cannot defend freedom"

On 2020-06-09 10:04 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> Reminder, this ballot ends tomorrow.  You can view status of who 
> remains to
> vote here:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1318840768
> 
> *In Liberty,*
> 
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social 
> faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 3:43 PM Caryn Ann Harlos 
> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> I am not making one.  I am stating an opinion.
>> 
>> *In Liberty,*
>> 
>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If 
>> anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social 
>> faux
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 3:22 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Ms. Harlos,
>>> 
>>> If there is something that leads you to believe you have the 
>>> authority to
>>> make parliamentary rulings without a vote of the body, I'm very 
>>> interested
>>> in reading it.
>>> 
>>> Yours truly,
>>> Nick
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 5:16 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Here are my thoughts and what I intend to do.  This motion is not out of
>>> > order and Ms. Mattson noted correctly a pattern of behaviour.  And I
>>> fully
>>> > believe that if we start one on a policy manual change the chair will
>>> then
>>> > try to claim it can't apply to existing contracts though it certainly
>>> can.
>>> > I encourage people to vote on this ballot and on a policy manual change
>>> > that I am going to workshop with people off list.
>>> >
>>> > If at the end the chair rules this one out of order still, I will appeal
>>> > the ruling of the chair.  It is unfortunate that our chair is making
>>> things
>>> > so tedious but if that is the game we are forced to play, I will do for
>>> the
>>> > good of the Party
>>> >
>>> > *In Liberty,*
>>> >
>>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>> faux
>>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 2:10 PM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Agreed Ms Adams,
>>> > >
>>> > > which is what I thought we had been discussing, and admittedly did not
>>> > > check closely when it popped up amongst being bombarded by the latest
>>> > email
>>> > > form blast.
>>> > >
>>> > > I would change my vote but I believe it is moot at this point as I
>>> > > understand corrected language is being worked on.
>>> > >
>>> > > John Phillips
>>> > > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>> > > Cell 217-412-5973
>>> > >
>>> > > On Jun 4, 2020 2:31 PM, "erin.adams--- via Lnc-business" <
>>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > If a motion like this is going to be moved it should be in my opinion
>>> > > moved as a policy manual change that affects all contracts of a
>>> similar
>>> > > nature moving forward. If it's good policy, and I believe that it is,
>>> > then
>>> > > it should Simply Be Good policy and not a one-time usage clause
>>> > >
>>> > > Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
>>> > >
>>> > > On Jun 4, 2020 1:43 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
>>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > The chair's attempt to abuse his authority continues, with this
>>> attempt
>>> > to
>>> > > declare anything he dislikes to be "out of order."  This motion has
>>> been
>>> > > on
>>> > > the list with cosponsors for two days, yet the chair waited until
>>> voting
>>> > > was underway to say anything.  His ruling is neither correct nor
>>> timely,
>>> > > and it's just obstructionism.  He will play us all the way to Orlando
>>> if
>>> > > we
>>> > > let him, so let's continue the vote.
>>> > >
>>> > > I vote yes again, just to emphasize my opinion of the chair's
>>> attempted
>>> > > ruling.
>>> > >
>>> > > -Alicia
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 8:35 AM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
>>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > Dear All,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > This motion is out of order.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > A vote of the LNC has no legal effect on the provisions of an
>>> already
>>> > > > executed contract.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > A motion to change the Policy Manual would be in order.  A motion to
>>> > > > rescind the executed contract would be in order. A motion resolving
>>> the
>>> > > > sense of the LNC that the Chair should not cancel the contract under
>>> > any
>>> > > > circumstance would be in order.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > But this motion is not.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Yours truly,
>>> > > > Nick
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 2:32 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>> > > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by JJune 10, 2020 at
>>> 11:59:59
>>> > > pm
>>> > > > > Pacific time.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Co-Sponsors:  Goldstein, Harlos, Mattson, Phillips
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > =============================================
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Motion: Cancellation or force majeure clauses in the contract with
>>> > > Rosen
>>> > > > > Shingle
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Creek for the 2020 convention in Orlando, FL may only be
>>> exercised by
>>> > > a
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > majority of the entire membership of the LNC.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > =============================================
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1318840768
>>> > > > > Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
>>> > > verification.
>>> > > > You
>>> > > > > can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the
>>> > bottom
>>> > > of
>>> > > > > the sheet.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > *  In Liberty,*
>>> > > > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> > Syndrome
>>> > > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>> > > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>>> > > anyone
>>> > > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>>> social
>>> > > faux
>>> > > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
>>> know.
>>> > > *
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> 
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