[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200603-01: Change authority to cancel Orlando contract

[Jeff Hewitt]

I vote Yes. Jeff Hewitt Region 4 Rep

On 2020-06-09 17:18, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business wrote:
> I vote Aye on this motion.
> 
> In Liberty,
> 
> Steven Nekhaila
> Region 2 Representative
> Libertarian National Committee
> 
> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> 
> On 2020-06-09 10:04 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> Reminder, this ballot ends tomorrow.  You can view status of who 
>> remains to
>> vote here:
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1318840768
>> 
>> *In Liberty,*
>> 
>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If 
>> anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social 
>> faux
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 3:43 PM Caryn Ann Harlos 
>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I am not making one.  I am stating an opinion.
>>> 
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> 
>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's 
>>> Syndrome
>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If 
>>> anyone
>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social 
>>> faux
>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 3:22 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Dear Ms. Harlos,
>>>> 
>>>> If there is something that leads you to believe you have the 
>>>> authority to
>>>> make parliamentary rulings without a vote of the body, I'm very 
>>>> interested
>>>> in reading it.
>>>> 
>>>> Yours truly,
>>>> Nick
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 5:16 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> > Here are my thoughts and what I intend to do.  This motion is not out of
>>>> > order and Ms. Mattson noted correctly a pattern of behaviour.  And I
>>>> fully
>>>> > believe that if we start one on a policy manual change the chair will
>>>> then
>>>> > try to claim it can't apply to existing contracts though it certainly
>>>> can.
>>>> > I encourage people to vote on this ballot and on a policy manual change
>>>> > that I am going to workshop with people off list.
>>>> >
>>>> > If at the end the chair rules this one out of order still, I will appeal
>>>> > the ruling of the chair.  It is unfortunate that our chair is making
>>>> things
>>>> > so tedious but if that is the game we are forced to play, I will do for
>>>> the
>>>> > good of the Party
>>>> >
>>>> > *In Liberty,*
>>>> >
>>>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>>>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>>>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>>> faux
>>>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 2:10 PM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
>>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > Agreed Ms Adams,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > which is what I thought we had been discussing, and admittedly did not
>>>> > > check closely when it popped up amongst being bombarded by the latest
>>>> > email
>>>> > > form blast.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I would change my vote but I believe it is moot at this point as I
>>>> > > understand corrected language is being worked on.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > John Phillips
>>>> > > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>>> > > Cell 217-412-5973
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Jun 4, 2020 2:31 PM, "erin.adams--- via Lnc-business" <
>>>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > If a motion like this is going to be moved it should be in my opinion
>>>> > > moved as a policy manual change that affects all contracts of a
>>>> similar
>>>> > > nature moving forward. If it's good policy, and I believe that it is,
>>>> > then
>>>> > > it should Simply Be Good policy and not a one-time usage clause
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Jun 4, 2020 1:43 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
>>>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > The chair's attempt to abuse his authority continues, with this
>>>> attempt
>>>> > to
>>>> > > declare anything he dislikes to be "out of order."  This motion has
>>>> been
>>>> > > on
>>>> > > the list with cosponsors for two days, yet the chair waited until
>>>> voting
>>>> > > was underway to say anything.  His ruling is neither correct nor
>>>> timely,
>>>> > > and it's just obstructionism.  He will play us all the way to Orlando
>>>> if
>>>> > > we
>>>> > > let him, so let's continue the vote.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I vote yes again, just to emphasize my opinion of the chair's
>>>> attempted
>>>> > > ruling.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > -Alicia
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 8:35 AM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
>>>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > Dear All,
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > This motion is out of order.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > A vote of the LNC has no legal effect on the provisions of an
>>>> already
>>>> > > > executed contract.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > A motion to change the Policy Manual would be in order.  A motion to
>>>> > > > rescind the executed contract would be in order. A motion resolving
>>>> the
>>>> > > > sense of the LNC that the Chair should not cancel the contract under
>>>> > any
>>>> > > > circumstance would be in order.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > But this motion is not.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Yours truly,
>>>> > > > Nick
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 2:32 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>>> > > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by JJune 10, 2020 at
>>>> 11:59:59
>>>> > > pm
>>>> > > > > Pacific time.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > Co-Sponsors:  Goldstein, Harlos, Mattson, Phillips
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > =============================================
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > Motion: Cancellation or force majeure clauses in the contract with
>>>> > > Rosen
>>>> > > > > Shingle
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > Creek for the 2020 convention in Orlando, FL may only be
>>>> exercised by
>>>> > > a
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > majority of the entire membership of the LNC.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > =============================================
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsYtTmJdhE/edit#gid=1318840768
>>>> > > > > Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for
>>>> > > verification.
>>>> > > > You
>>>> > > > > can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the
>>>> > bottom
>>>> > > of
>>>> > > > > the sheet.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > *  In Liberty,*
>>>> > > > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>>> > Syndrome
>>>> > > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>>> > > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>>>> > > anyone
>>>> > > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>>>> social
>>>> > > faux
>>>> > > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
>>>> know.
>>>> > > *
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