[Lnc-business] Convention Change of Venues

Tue Jun 30 10:00:43 EDT 2020

For all the reasons Alex mentioned, I do believe we have reached
impossibility. I also believe the COC will execute their dutiea untiil this
body tells them not too. There is a level of groupthink operating here
where I know they are willing, but at likely personal expense and mental
will with personal level objections that may not be vocalized for the "good
of the event". I will not ask the committee to replan for a third venue in
less than a week that which has taken 45 days prior and several months
prior to that.

We have tried harder than any other organization. Our membership has been
patient. Enough is enough.

Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
Libertarian National Committee
richard.longstreth at lp.org
931.538.9300

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On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 06:43 Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> 100% this “ Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.” 👏👏👏
>
> Alex Merced
> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>
> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > If the in person does not go forward, I do hope we decide to have an
> electronic convention on the same days as people have already arranged for
> time off work.
> >
> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:53 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <
> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >> If the CoC had said they did not wish to do the work necessary I would
> agree.  They have not, quite the contrary.  I think it would be
> disrespectful of everything they have done not to let them try. (As well as
> to the delegates who want to go)
> >>
> >> From what I understand all the same safety precautions and room needed
> is accommodated.
> >>
> >> What this does is a second bite at the apple for those who have always
> opposed.  There may be other reasons to change one’s mind (conditions in
> Florida for example) but this shift isn’t anything major.
> >>
> >> Everything in the compromise still holds true and the principle of
> respecting everyone’s choice does as well.  Cancelling while it is still
> possible forecloses the choice of those who want to go.  I think we can
> honor all choices.
> >>
> >> That said, we are a deliberative body, and no matter what the decision
> is, I hope everyone respects it and does not work to sow sour grapes or
> undermine as we have seen already over this whole thing.
> >>
> >> Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:15 AM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
> Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> Will the OCCC have all the same precautions that the Rosen promised As
> far safety (its not just size of the rooms).
> >>>
> >>> I’ve generally been in support of the compromise because it was
> visible that there was no way the party as a whole could move in either
> direction without causing major schisms but this does raise many concerns.
> >>>
> >>> - Even if rooms reservations are moved and a larger main hall is
> attained the amount of planning for the space such as tables and breakout
> rooms, Gala planning etc. that would need to be revisited seems like a
> cruel thing to ask the CoC to revisit.
> >>>
> >>> - I have seen annecdotally noticed several supporters of live
> convention change their mind not to go not cause their view had changed but
> due to the pressure from family and those around them. While I intend to be
> their if it happens, I have also seen similar levels of pressure from my
> loved ones.
> >>>
> >>> - The Rosen was quite adamant about having us and was quite sure they
> would be open that weekend what assurance we have that the OCCC will not do
> the same in the next week and half (I know you can’t control the future but
> at this point, but there comes a point where you can only fight these
> headwinds so much).
> >>>
> >>> Considering the amount of logistics and timing that is now reshuffled,
> the changing health environment I think that we can safely invoke
> impossibility/impracticality for the second sitting if we chose to. I don’t
> know if this is something we are voting on, or If this ship has sailed but
> if it comes to a vote that is how I will vote based on current
> circumstances.
> >>>
> >>> I do have nothing but gratitude for the efforts of the CoC to move
> mountains in replanning a convention in 6 weeks and don’t wish them the
> burden of replanning this in two weeks in a venue without the kind of
> vetting that was given to the Rosen in a fraction of the time.
> >>>
> >>> If the event does happen, I plan on being there but this is where my
> heart is at with the hearing of this new information.
> >>>
> >>> Alex Merced
> >>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
> >>>
> >>> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 4:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > We need to see an addendum or whatever sooner rather than later.
> The two
> >>> > "sides" are eating each other's faces once again on facebook, and I
> have
> >>> > died inside over it.
> >>> >
> >>> > People can disagree in good faith.  No matter what happens now or
> whenever,
> >>> > I believe it is our job to accept whatever decision we collectively
> make
> >>> > whether we personally agree or not and work to make whatever that is
> a
> >>> > success.
> >>> >
> >>> > That is what I intend to do.  I am convinced that the "all or
> nothing"
> >>> > spectrums on both sides are seriously damaging our party.  There is
> no
> >>> > parity.  My position:  I want everyone to get their way.  Those who
> wish to
> >>> > attend in person and those who wish to attend remotely, and that is
> how I
> >>> > will vote on this body and if necessary at any in-person
> convention.  I
> >>> > respect all choices and that people have good faith reasons for
> holding
> >>> > them.  We would all be better off if we all did that IMHO.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > *In Liberty,*
> >>> >
> >>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> Syndrome
> >>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> anyone
> >>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> faux
> >>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:44 AM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
> >>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Mr. Goldstein is likely already asleep at this late hour, so I'm
> >>> >> forwarding his message for the LNC members who were not at Monday's
> COC
> >>> >> meeting.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Convention Update - Next to last one!
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Friday, June 26th the COC was notified by Rosen Properties that
> their
> >>> >> Shingle Creek property was not going to open until September. This
> meant
> >>> >> that our National Convention was in jeopardy and we were in shock.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> During that initial discussion we were told that their Rosen Center
> >>> >> property had never closed and they proposed moving our convention to
> >>> >> that venue and the adjoining Orange County Convention Center. As of
> >>> >> today we are in possession of an outline of how that will happen and
> >>> >> hope to have a contract addendum ready for the LNC's approval
> within a
> >>> >> couple days. There will be no additional costs to the Libertarian
> Party
> >>> >> for this change in venue, all added costs for the Convention Center
> will
> >>> >> be taken care of by Rosen Properties. We will actually have a larger
> >>> >> main hall at 93k sq ft and more room for exhibits and breakouts.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> All room reservations made for Shingle Creek will be moved to an
> >>> >> equivalent room at the Rosen Center (which was the location of our
> 2016
> >>> >> National Convention). You need not contact the hotel to change your
> >>> >> reservation. Also, all suite upgrades and hospitality rooms will
> also
> >>> >> have similar settings
> >>> >>
> >>> >> The COC also voted tonight to approve an addendum to the contract
> with
> >>> >> AV Group that will provide a remote convention site for NY, NJ and
> CT
> >>> >> delegates at Syracuse, NY based on discussions with the three state
> >>> >> chairs. This is an option we have been working on for almost two
> months
> >>> >> and had a hard deadline of today to proceed. We did with with no
> surety
> >>> >> that the delegates at Orlando will authorize remote participation
> but
> >>> >> with the faith that they will for delegates that cannot travel due
> to
> >>> >> government constraints.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> We are still planning to have a great convention at Orlando next
> week
> >>> >> and look forward to seeing many of you there.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Live Free,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Sam Goldstein
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --
> >>> >> Tim Hagan
> >>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> >>> >>
> >>>
> >> --
> >>
> >> In Liberty,
> >>
> >>  Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
> >>
> > --
> >
> > In Liberty,
> >
> >  Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
> >
>