[Lnc-business] Convention Change of Venues

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

Tucker you are correct those two words are not there.  But that is in fact
the clear meaning of what was voted on and we don’t get to lawyer up the
words to subvert the will of the delegates.

They voted for in person.  If you want to defy them fine but don’t massage
it.  Do it and own it.

It was clear what they instructed us to do.  I’m tired of it being
acceptable to argue about what “is” “is.”

I am willing to change my mind if there is a clear showing they have.

This is an lucky second bite at the apple for those who were always
opposed.  I will not play the pretend game it is something else.

And okay, that’s the way the dice rolled. But I want disguise what is being
done here.  The LNC is disregarding the delegates.  We know better.

I reject such paternalism.

I trust our delegates.  I want to hear from them.  Until I hear clearly
from them that they changed their mind I intend on honouring their decision
and not becoming what I hate - someone who thinks they get to protect
others from themselves.

Let’s do a poll of the delegates with parameters on what would be an
acceptable response rate and amount to overturn.

The resistance to this course of action is baffling to me.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:06 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> Which we could do if the Chair would vote on the pending motion.  Why
> won't he do his job?
>
> ---
> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> Libertarian National Committee
> Convention Oversight Committee
> 317-850-0726 Cell
>
> On 2020-06-30 18:04, Tucker Coburn via Lnc-business wrote:
> > The motion to adjourn did not specifically mention an "in-person"
> > convention. The motion to adjourn specifically mentioned the Rosen
> > Shingle Creek, and in the event of unavailability, an alternate date
> > and location selected by the LNC. The Rosen Shingle Creek is not
> > available. As a body we are well within our right to make this
> > decision. And of course are encouraged to check in with our delegates
> > as hopefully we all have been.
> >
> > Best,
> > --
> > Tucker Coburn
> > LNC Region 8 Representative
> > www.lp.org
> >
> > On 2020-06-30 17:00, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> We don't have the right to override the will of the delegate if it is
> >> impossible.  We simply don't.  A poll should have already gone out to
> >> the
> >> credentialled delegates who were in attendance last session and asked
> >> them.  But it hasn't.
> >>
> >> None of us has this right.  No state chair has that right.
> >>
> >> And I am hearing from distraught delegates with nonrefundable costs.
> >> Is
> >> everyone voting no also going to vote to make them whole??
> >>
> >> *In Liberty,*
> >>
> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >> anyone
> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >> faux
> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:48 PM David T. Valente via Lnc-business <
> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Good afternoon,
> >>>
> >>> My initial foray onto the business list, thanks to those of you who
> >>> have
> >>> reached out and welcomed me. I look forward to working
> >>> collaboratively with
> >>> you all. I still have issues accessing the list, sorry if this does
> >>> not
> >>> apoear in the normal order.
> >>>
> >>> To the matter at hand, my feeling is we gave this more than an
> >>> opportunity
> >>> to happen, up until a week ago, I was optimistic this could be pulled
> >>> off.
> >>> Then the mask order, then the bar closure, then the beach closure,
> >>> then the
> >>> hotel move. The hotel move in and of itself is not a killer,
> >>> everything
> >>> combined is. The Governor may still make the decision for us, his
> >>> actions
> >>> are trending that way. However, I have a feeling that comes on the
> >>> 7th or
> >>> 8th. When we are already down there and we have to placate 500 angry
> >>> in
> >>> person attendees out a crap ton of money with no bars or beaches to
> >>> help.
> >>>
> >>> I am encourage with where this debate is going that we will come an
> >>> amicable decision. (Yes this is possible:)) I would like to put an
> >>> eye on a
> >>> possible 2nd eCon. If we are to maintain next weekend as 2nd eCon,
> >>> then we
> >>> have to get much wider distribution and testing of our app.
> >>> Specifically
> >>> load testing and prior pain point mitigation testing. I want us to
> >>> try and
> >>> break it, because if a few of us can, 1000 of us will. This is no
> >>> criticism
> >>> to our dev team, it is just years of experience with millions more
> >>> spent in
> >>> development that leads me to mention it.  I do software testing as
> >>> part of
> >>> my career, I am more than willing to assist wherever.
> >>>
> >>> As an alt, I encourage a No on moving the 2nd sitting location. I am
> >>> ready
> >>> to move forward as quickly as possible & practical. Lets get our
> >>> focus on
> >>> our great campaigns where it should be.
> >>>
> >>> In Liberty,
> >>>
> >>> Dave R5 Alternate
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> >>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36>
> >>>
>
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*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *