[Lnc-business] Convention Change of Venues

Tue Jun 30 19:42:12 EDT 2020

And I mean a ballot or poll sent to those delegates.  Not this loosey
goosey social media nonsense.  We could do it within the hour.

Why aren’t we demanding it?

I don’t want rulers and I don’t want to be one.

Let’s find out what the delegates want.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:40 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Tucker you are correct those two words are not there.  But that is in fact
> the clear meaning of what was voted on and we don’t get to lawyer up the
> words to subvert the will of the delegates.
>
> They voted for in person.  If you want to defy them fine but don’t massage
> it.  Do it and own it.
>
> It was clear what they instructed us to do.  I’m tired of it being
> acceptable to argue about what “is” “is.”
>
> I am willing to change my mind if there is a clear showing they have.
>
> This is an lucky second bite at the apple for those who were always
> opposed.  I will not play the pretend game it is something else.
>
> And okay, that’s the way the dice rolled. But I want disguise what is
> being done here.  The LNC is disregarding the delegates.  We know better.
>
> I reject such paternalism.
>
> I trust our delegates.  I want to hear from them.  Until I hear clearly
> from them that they changed their mind I intend on honouring their decision
> and not becoming what I hate - someone who thinks they get to protect
> others from themselves.
>
> Let’s do a poll of the delegates with parameters on what would be an
> acceptable response rate and amount to overturn.
>
> The resistance to this course of action is baffling to me.
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:06 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Which we could do if the Chair would vote on the pending motion.  Why
>> won't he do his job?
>>
>> ---
>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> Convention Oversight Committee
>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>
>> On 2020-06-30 18:04, Tucker Coburn via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > The motion to adjourn did not specifically mention an "in-person"
>> > convention. The motion to adjourn specifically mentioned the Rosen
>> > Shingle Creek, and in the event of unavailability, an alternate date
>> > and location selected by the LNC. The Rosen Shingle Creek is not
>> > available. As a body we are well within our right to make this
>> > decision. And of course are encouraged to check in with our delegates
>> > as hopefully we all have been.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > --
>> > Tucker Coburn
>> > LNC Region 8 Representative
>> > www.lp.org
>> >
>> > On 2020-06-30 17:00, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> >> We don't have the right to override the will of the delegate if it is
>> >> impossible.  We simply don't.  A poll should have already gone out to
>> >> the
>> >> credentialled delegates who were in attendance last session and asked
>> >> them.  But it hasn't.
>> >>
>> >> None of us has this right.  No state chair has that right.
>> >>
>> >> And I am hearing from distraught delegates with nonrefundable costs.
>> >> Is
>> >> everyone voting no also going to vote to make them whole??
>> >>
>> >> *In Liberty,*
>> >>
>> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >> anyone
>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> >> faux
>> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:48 PM David T. Valente via Lnc-business <
>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Good afternoon,
>> >>>
>> >>> My initial foray onto the business list, thanks to those of you who
>> >>> have
>> >>> reached out and welcomed me. I look forward to working
>> >>> collaboratively with
>> >>> you all. I still have issues accessing the list, sorry if this does
>> >>> not
>> >>> apoear in the normal order.
>> >>>
>> >>> To the matter at hand, my feeling is we gave this more than an
>> >>> opportunity
>> >>> to happen, up until a week ago, I was optimistic this could be pulled
>> >>> off.
>> >>> Then the mask order, then the bar closure, then the beach closure,
>> >>> then the
>> >>> hotel move. The hotel move in and of itself is not a killer,
>> >>> everything
>> >>> combined is. The Governor may still make the decision for us, his
>> >>> actions
>> >>> are trending that way. However, I have a feeling that comes on the
>> >>> 7th or
>> >>> 8th. When we are already down there and we have to placate 500 angry
>> >>> in
>> >>> person attendees out a crap ton of money with no bars or beaches to
>> >>> help.
>> >>>
>> >>> I am encourage with where this debate is going that we will come an
>> >>> amicable decision. (Yes this is possible:)) I would like to put an
>> >>> eye on a
>> >>> possible 2nd eCon. If we are to maintain next weekend as 2nd eCon,
>> >>> then we
>> >>> have to get much wider distribution and testing of our app.
>> >>> Specifically
>> >>> load testing and prior pain point mitigation testing. I want us to
>> >>> try and
>> >>> break it, because if a few of us can, 1000 of us will. This is no
>> >>> criticism
>> >>> to our dev team, it is just years of experience with millions more
>> >>> spent in
>> >>> development that leads me to mention it.  I do software testing as
>> >>> part of
>> >>> my career, I am more than willing to assist wherever.
>> >>>
>> >>> As an alt, I encourage a No on moving the 2nd sitting location. I am
>> >>> ready
>> >>> to move forward as quickly as possible & practical. Lets get our
>> >>> focus on
>> >>> our great campaigns where it should be.
>> >>>
>> >>> In Liberty,
>> >>>
>> >>> Dave R5 Alternate
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>> >>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36>
>> >>>
>>
> --
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
> --

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *