[Lnc-business] Can we put out a poll to the delegates who voted for an in person convention

Caryn Ann Harlos caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Wed Jul 1 15:00:29 EDT 2020 

Further questions, what security is in place to keep people from taking
multiple times?  A rescission vote at a minimum requires that kind of
assurance.  And the attendance question is irrelevant and is a poison
pill.  It is irrelevant to our decision and whether or not you think it is
important Mr. Fishman, frankly, is you inserting your opinions into an LNC
matter and is inappropriate.  In many matters I want to know what you think
is important.  In this matter, I do not.  You are risking politically
interfering with the internal politics and that has been a huge problem
that needs to stop.

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *



On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> I object and agree with Sam.  You do not have the authority to send such a
> poll over the objections of the LNC unless the Chair has overridden the
> LNC.  Has he?
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:42 PM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I object.  Such a simplistic poll does not even begin to address the
>> financial consequences to the party of a cancellation.
>>
>> ---
>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> Convention Oversight Committee
>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>
>> On 2020-07-01 14:36, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > What I plan to send. I think the attendance question is important.  I
>> > will
>> > close the poll at midnight 3:am Eastern. I tried to gracefully
>> > incorporate
>> > the "rescind" language.
>> >
>> > [image: image.png]
>> > ---
>> > Daniel Fishman
>> > Executive Director
>> > The Libertarian Party
>> > Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 1:55 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> If the contract cannot be worked out that is out of our hands.  I
>> >> wanted
>> >> the poll yesterday.  Now I am done wasting my limited time on useless
>> >> exercises that we will then argue endlessly over.  My bandwidth is at
>> >> its
>> >> end.
>> >>
>> >> *In Liberty,*
>> >>
>> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >> anyone
>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> >> faux
>> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:42 AM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I get your point, but I disagree.  We have plenty of evidence that
>> >>> the
>> >>> delegates want to be polled that is reason enough to take the 5
>> >>> minutes to
>> >>> do it, and if they say have the convention than all is good anyway.
>> >>> If
>> >>> they say don't we have a data point to base a decision on.
>> >>>
>> >>> In reality sitting on the call last night there are some contract
>> >>> concerns that need to be worked out, and if they can't then it is
>> >>> moot.
>> >>>
>> >>> John Phillips
>> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> >>> Cell 217-412-5973
>> >>>
>> >>> On Jul 1, 2020 12:33 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>  I do not agree with that wording.  It does not answer for me the
>> >>> question that needs to be answered.
>> >>>
>> >>> And frankly it is too late.  Imagine if we spent this time doing
>> >>> something productive.
>> >>>
>> >>> *In Liberty,*
>> >>>
>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> >>> faux
>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:05 AM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Oh for the love of god can we just do the poll.
>> >>>
>> >>> Poll the delegates from Memorial day weekend.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ask them very simply:
>> >>> Would you vote to have an in person convention in Orlando July 8th
>> >>> thru
>> >>> 12th.
>> >>> Yes, No, Nota.
>> >>>
>> >>> At this point it wont matter with the screwing around going on as we
>> >>> won't be able to meet in time to cancel even if they all vote to do
>> >>> so, but
>> >>> lets do the damn poll so we at least know how bad it is.
>> >>>
>> >>> John Phillips
>> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> >>> Cell 217-412-5973
>> >>>
>> >>> On Jul 1, 2020 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Are you weighting the state chairs according to the number of
>> >>> delegates?
>> >>> If not, it is not representative.  Colorado has significantly more
>> >>> delegates than other states.  You cannot use the state chairs as
>> >>> representing delegates without that calculation.
>> >>>
>> >>> It is too late.  I asked for this poll early yesterday.  It is
>> >>> absolutely
>> >>> unethical at this point to turn people's lives upside down when we
>> >>> have a
>> >>> location.
>> >>>
>> >>> I have not agreed with a lot of the criticisms of this body - there
>> >>> has
>> >>> been shady business going on and we were dealt a bad hand.  If we
>> >>> cancel
>> >>> when we have a location over the will of delegates at convention,
>> >>> this
>> >>> body
>> >>> has no business being anywhere near leadership.  It is wrong, and it
>> >>> is
>> >>> robbing people who spent money and a violation of the principle of
>> >>> the
>> >>> non-initiation of force.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> *In Liberty,*
>> >>>
>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> >>> faux
>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:15 AM Richard Longstreth <
>> >>> richard.longstreth at lp.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > I'm not good with wording polls but if someone is, I'd like to get
>> this
>> >>> > started sooner rather than later. I find wisdom in hearing from the
>> >>> > delegates on this. My state chairs are, almost entirely, saying to
>> not
>> >>> > approve a third venue. Absent a poll of delegates, I intend to
>> >>> represent
>> >>> > their opinion and trust that they are representing their delegates
>> to
>> >>> me. I
>> >>> > cannot poll everyone in the region myself at this point, let alone
>> have
>> >>> > contact info for all of the delegates for speedy communication.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Richard Longstreth
>> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >>> > 931.538.9300
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 20:51 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> As far as wording that is not my call.  But bad wording will kill
>> the
>> >>> >> entire usefulness.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> >>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> > The poll should be only those credentialed at the Sunday session
>> of
>> >>> the
>> >>> >> > first part of the convention.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > They made a decision.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:54 PM Daniel Fishman <
>> dan.fishman at lphq.org>
>> >>>
>> >>> >> > wrote:
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >> Would you like me to poll all current members?  All delegates?
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> What would you like the wording to be?
>> >>> >> >> ---
>> >>> >> >> Daniel Fishman
>> >>> >> >> Executive Director
>> >>> >> >> The Libertarian Party
>> >>> >> >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via
>> Lnc-business <
>> >>> >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >>> Mr Hagan apologies if I was hasty though I do think in this
>> >>> rapidly
>> >>> >> >>> changing situation we must be checking our emails hourly.
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> My proposal is to poll only the delegates we are seeking to
>> >>> overturn.
>> >>> >> >>> Those credentialed at the session that voted for the in person
>> >>> >> >>> convention.
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:19 PM Richard Longstreth via
>> >>> Lnc-business <
>> >>> >> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> > I am supportive.
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> > Richard Longstreth
>> >>> >> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,
>> WA,
>> >>> WY)
>> >>> >> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> >>> >> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >>> >> >>> > 931.538.9300
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 15:37 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
>> >>> >> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> > > You shouldn't interpret silence as disapproval. Some people
>> >>> aren't
>> >>> >> >>> > > constantly checking their e-mails, could be working, or
>> still
>> >>> >> >>> processing
>> >>> >> >>> > > this news thrown at us last night and have questions.
>> >>> >> >>> > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > I don't have a problem with taking a poll, unless if we're
>> >>> going
>> >>> >> to
>> >>> >> >>> > > waste time arguing over the wording or who gets polled
>> (e.g.
>> >>> all
>> >>> >> >>> > > delegates, delegates & alternates credentialed in May,
>> etc.).
>> >>> >> >>> > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > ---
>> >>> >> >>> > > Tim Hagan
>> >>> >> >>> > > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>> >>> >> >>> > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > On 2020-06-30 14:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>> > > > A poll could have already gone out from the national
>> office.
>> >>> >> Yet
>> >>> >> >>> > > > except
>> >>> >> >>> > > > for you - silence on this post.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > > That is wrong.  Are we scared of what they might say?  I
>> >>> >> actually
>> >>> >> >>> think
>> >>> >> >>> > > > they might have changed their mind, but I need to know
>> that
>> >>> for
>> >>> >> >>> sure.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > > *  In Liberty,*
>> >>> >> >>> > > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
>> >>> Asperger's
>> >>> >> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> >>> > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>> >>> inter-personal
>> >>> >> >>> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic
>> >>> arenas.  If
>> >>> >> >>> anyone
>> >>> >> >>> > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>> >>> other
>> >>> >> >>> social
>> >>> >> >>> > > > faux
>> >>> >> >>> > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and
>> let
>> >>> me
>> >>> >> >>> know.
>> >>> >> >>> > > > *
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM <john.phillips at lp.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Agreed.  I am informally polling my region, but that is
>> >>> just
>> >>> >> one
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> region.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> John Phillips
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Cell 217-412-5973
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> On Jun 30, 2020 1:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>> Lnc-business
>> >>> <
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Here is something we all need to take seriously.  The
>> >>> delegates
>> >>> >> >>> voted
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> for
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> an in person convention.  I don't really think we have
>> the
>> >>> >> right
>> >>> >> >>> to
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> cancel
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> if we have a location which we do.  It is usurping their
>> >>> >> decision.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> But
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> they may think differently now.  Can we poll them so we
>> >>> know
>> >>> >> what
>> >>> >> >>> we
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> should
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> do?  This isn't about us.  It is about particular state
>> >>> chairs
>> >>> >> in
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> particular regions.  It is about the delegate that gave
>> us
>> >>> >> >>> specific
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> marching orders.  Can we find out what THEY want?
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> *  In Liberty,*
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
>> >>> Asperger's
>> >>> >> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>> >>> inter-personal
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic
>> >>> arenas.
>> >>> >> If
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> anyone
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>> >>> other
>> >>> >> >>> social
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> faux
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and
>> >>> let me
>> >>> >> >>> know.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> *
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > >
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> --
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> *In Liberty,*
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> >> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
>> If
>> >>> >> anyone
>> >>> >> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> >>> social
>> >>> >> faux
>> >>> >> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >> --
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > *In Liberty,*
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> social
>> >>> >> faux
>> >>> >> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > --
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> *In Liberty,*
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> social
>> >>> faux
>> >>> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Jul 1, 2020 12:33 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>  I do not agree with that wording.  It does not answer for me the
>> >>> question that needs to be answered.
>> >>>
>> >>> And frankly it is too late.  Imagine if we spent this time doing
>> >>> something productive.
>> >>>
>> >>> *In Liberty,*
>> >>>
>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> >>> faux
>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:05 AM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Oh for the love of god can we just do the poll.
>> >>>
>> >>> Poll the delegates from Memorial day weekend.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ask them very simply:
>> >>> Would you vote to have an in person convention in Orlando July 8th
>> >>> thru
>> >>> 12th.
>> >>> Yes, No, Nota.
>> >>>
>> >>> At this point it wont matter with the screwing around going on as we
>> >>> won't be able to meet in time to cancel even if they all vote to do
>> >>> so, but
>> >>> lets do the damn poll so we at least know how bad it is.
>> >>>
>> >>> John Phillips
>> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> >>> Cell 217-412-5973
>> >>>
>> >>> On Jul 1, 2020 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Are you weighting the state chairs according to the number of
>> >>> delegates?
>> >>> If not, it is not representative.  Colorado has significantly more
>> >>> delegates than other states.  You cannot use the state chairs as
>> >>> representing delegates without that calculation.
>> >>>
>> >>> It is too late.  I asked for this poll early yesterday.  It is
>> >>> absolutely
>> >>> unethical at this point to turn people's lives upside down when we
>> >>> have a
>> >>> location.
>> >>>
>> >>> I have not agreed with a lot of the criticisms of this body - there
>> >>> has
>> >>> been shady business going on and we were dealt a bad hand.  If we
>> >>> cancel
>> >>> when we have a location over the will of delegates at convention,
>> >>> this
>> >>> body
>> >>> has no business being anywhere near leadership.  It is wrong, and it
>> >>> is
>> >>> robbing people who spent money and a violation of the principle of
>> >>> the
>> >>> non-initiation of force.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> *In Liberty,*
>> >>>
>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> >>> faux
>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:15 AM Richard Longstreth <
>> >>> richard.longstreth at lp.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > I'm not good with wording polls but if someone is, I'd like to get
>> this
>> >>> > started sooner rather than later. I find wisdom in hearing from the
>> >>> > delegates on this. My state chairs are, almost entirely, saying to
>> not
>> >>> > approve a third venue. Absent a poll of delegates, I intend to
>> >>> represent
>> >>> > their opinion and trust that they are representing their delegates
>> to
>> >>> me. I
>> >>> > cannot poll everyone in the region myself at this point, let alone
>> have
>> >>> > contact info for all of the delegates for speedy communication.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Richard Longstreth
>> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >>> > 931.538.9300
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 20:51 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> As far as wording that is not my call.  But bad wording will kill
>> the
>> >>> >> entire usefulness.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> >>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> > The poll should be only those credentialed at the Sunday session
>> of
>> >>> the
>> >>> >> > first part of the convention.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > They made a decision.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:54 PM Daniel Fishman <
>> dan.fishman at lphq.org>
>> >>>
>> >>> >> > wrote:
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >> Would you like me to poll all current members?  All delegates?
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> What would you like the wording to be?
>> >>> >> >> ---
>> >>> >> >> Daniel Fishman
>> >>> >> >> Executive Director
>> >>> >> >> The Libertarian Party
>> >>> >> >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via
>> Lnc-business <
>> >>> >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >>> Mr Hagan apologies if I was hasty though I do think in this
>> >>> rapidly
>> >>> >> >>> changing situation we must be checking our emails hourly.
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> My proposal is to poll only the delegates we are seeking to
>> >>> overturn.
>> >>> >> >>> Those credentialed at the session that voted for the in person
>> >>> >> >>> convention.
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:19 PM Richard Longstreth via
>> >>> Lnc-business <
>> >>> >> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> > I am supportive.
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> > Richard Longstreth
>> >>> >> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,
>> WA,
>> >>> WY)
>> >>> >> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> >>> >> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >>> >> >>> > 931.538.9300
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 15:37 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
>> >>> >> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> > > You shouldn't interpret silence as disapproval. Some people
>> >>> aren't
>> >>> >> >>> > > constantly checking their e-mails, could be working, or
>> still
>> >>> >> >>> processing
>> >>> >> >>> > > this news thrown at us last night and have questions.
>> >>> >> >>> > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > I don't have a problem with taking a poll, unless if we're
>> >>> going
>> >>> >> to
>> >>> >> >>> > > waste time arguing over the wording or who gets polled
>> (e.g.
>> >>> all
>> >>> >> >>> > > delegates, delegates & alternates credentialed in May,
>> etc.).
>> >>> >> >>> > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > ---
>> >>> >> >>> > > Tim Hagan
>> >>> >> >>> > > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>> >>> >> >>> > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > On 2020-06-30 14:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>> > > > A poll could have already gone out from the national
>> office.
>> >>> >> Yet
>> >>> >> >>> > > > except
>> >>> >> >>> > > > for you - silence on this post.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > > That is wrong.  Are we scared of what they might say?  I
>> >>> >> actually
>> >>> >> >>> think
>> >>> >> >>> > > > they might have changed their mind, but I need to know
>> that
>> >>> for
>> >>> >> >>> sure.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > > *  In Liberty,*
>> >>> >> >>> > > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
>> >>> Asperger's
>> >>> >> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> >>> > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>> >>> inter-personal
>> >>> >> >>> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic
>> >>> arenas.  If
>> >>> >> >>> anyone
>> >>> >> >>> > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>> >>> other
>> >>> >> >>> social
>> >>> >> >>> > > > faux
>> >>> >> >>> > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and
>> let
>> >>> me
>> >>> >> >>> know.
>> >>> >> >>> > > > *
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM <john.phillips at lp.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Agreed.  I am informally polling my region, but that is
>> >>> just
>> >>> >> one
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> region.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> John Phillips
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Cell 217-412-5973
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> On Jun 30, 2020 1:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>> Lnc-business
>> >>> <
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Here is something we all need to take seriously.  The
>> >>> delegates
>> >>> >> >>> voted
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> for
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> an in person convention.  I don't really think we have
>> the
>> >>> >> right
>> >>> >> >>> to
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> cancel
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> if we have a location which we do.  It is usurping their
>> >>> >> decision.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> But
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> they may think differently now.  Can we poll them so we
>> >>> know
>> >>> >> what
>> >>> >> >>> we
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> should
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> do?  This isn't about us.  It is about particular state
>> >>> chairs
>> >>> >> in
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> particular regions.  It is about the delegate that gave
>> us
>> >>> >> >>> specific
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> marching orders.  Can we find out what THEY want?
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> *  In Liberty,*
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
>> >>> Asperger's
>> >>> >> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>> >>> inter-personal
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic
>> >>> arenas.
>> >>> >> If
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> anyone
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>> >>> other
>> >>> >> >>> social
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> faux
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and
>> >>> let me
>> >>> >> >>> know.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> *
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > >
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> --
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> *In Liberty,*
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> >> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
>> If
>> >>> >> anyone
>> >>> >> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> >>> social
>> >>> >> faux
>> >>> >> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >> --
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > *In Liberty,*
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> social
>> >>> >> faux
>> >>> >> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > --
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> *In Liberty,*
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> social
>> >>> faux
>> >>> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Jul 1, 2020 12:33 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>  I do not agree with that wording.  It does not answer for me the
>> >>> question that needs to be answered.
>> >>>
>> >>> And frankly it is too late.  Imagine if we spent this time doing
>> >>> something productive.
>> >>>
>> >>> *In Liberty,*
>> >>>
>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> >>> faux
>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:05 AM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Oh for the love of god can we just do the poll.
>> >>>
>> >>> Poll the delegates from Memorial day weekend.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ask them very simply:
>> >>> Would you vote to have an in person convention in Orlando July 8th
>> >>> thru
>> >>> 12th.
>> >>> Yes, No, Nota.
>> >>>
>> >>> At this point it wont matter with the screwing around going on as we
>> >>> won't be able to meet in time to cancel even if they all vote to do
>> >>> so, but
>> >>> lets do the damn poll so we at least know how bad it is.
>> >>>
>> >>> John Phillips
>> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> >>> Cell 217-412-5973
>> >>>
>> >>> On Jul 1, 2020 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Are you weighting the state chairs according to the number of
>> >>> delegates?
>> >>> If not, it is not representative.  Colorado has significantly more
>> >>> delegates than other states.  You cannot use the state chairs as
>> >>> representing delegates without that calculation.
>> >>>
>> >>> It is too late.  I asked for this poll early yesterday.  It is
>> >>> absolutely
>> >>> unethical at this point to turn people's lives upside down when we
>> >>> have a
>> >>> location.
>> >>>
>> >>> I have not agreed with a lot of the criticisms of this body - there
>> >>> has
>> >>> been shady business going on and we were dealt a bad hand.  If we
>> >>> cancel
>> >>> when we have a location over the will of delegates at convention,
>> >>> this
>> >>> body
>> >>> has no business being anywhere near leadership.  It is wrong, and it
>> >>> is
>> >>> robbing people who spent money and a violation of the principle of
>> >>> the
>> >>> non-initiation of force.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> *In Liberty,*
>> >>>
>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> >>> faux
>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:15 AM Richard Longstreth <
>> >>> richard.longstreth at lp.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > I'm not good with wording polls but if someone is, I'd like to get
>> this
>> >>> > started sooner rather than later. I find wisdom in hearing from the
>> >>> > delegates on this. My state chairs are, almost entirely, saying to
>> not
>> >>> > approve a third venue. Absent a poll of delegates, I intend to
>> >>> represent
>> >>> > their opinion and trust that they are representing their delegates
>> to
>> >>> me. I
>> >>> > cannot poll everyone in the region myself at this point, let alone
>> have
>> >>> > contact info for all of the delegates for speedy communication.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Richard Longstreth
>> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >>> > 931.538.9300
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 20:51 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> As far as wording that is not my call.  But bad wording will kill
>> the
>> >>> >> entire usefulness.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> >>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> > The poll should be only those credentialed at the Sunday session
>> of
>> >>> the
>> >>> >> > first part of the convention.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > They made a decision.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:54 PM Daniel Fishman <
>> dan.fishman at lphq.org>
>> >>>
>> >>> >> > wrote:
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >> Would you like me to poll all current members?  All delegates?
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> What would you like the wording to be?
>> >>> >> >> ---
>> >>> >> >> Daniel Fishman
>> >>> >> >> Executive Director
>> >>> >> >> The Libertarian Party
>> >>> >> >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via
>> Lnc-business <
>> >>> >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >>> Mr Hagan apologies if I was hasty though I do think in this
>> >>> rapidly
>> >>> >> >>> changing situation we must be checking our emails hourly.
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> My proposal is to poll only the delegates we are seeking to
>> >>> overturn.
>> >>> >> >>> Those credentialed at the session that voted for the in person
>> >>> >> >>> convention.
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:19 PM Richard Longstreth via
>> >>> Lnc-business <
>> >>> >> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> > I am supportive.
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> > Richard Longstreth
>> >>> >> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,
>> WA,
>> >>> WY)
>> >>> >> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> >>> >> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >>> >> >>> > 931.538.9300
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 15:37 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
>> >>> >> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> > > You shouldn't interpret silence as disapproval. Some people
>> >>> aren't
>> >>> >> >>> > > constantly checking their e-mails, could be working, or
>> still
>> >>> >> >>> processing
>> >>> >> >>> > > this news thrown at us last night and have questions.
>> >>> >> >>> > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > I don't have a problem with taking a poll, unless if we're
>> >>> going
>> >>> >> to
>> >>> >> >>> > > waste time arguing over the wording or who gets polled
>> (e.g.
>> >>> all
>> >>> >> >>> > > delegates, delegates & alternates credentialed in May,
>> etc.).
>> >>> >> >>> > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > ---
>> >>> >> >>> > > Tim Hagan
>> >>> >> >>> > > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>> >>> >> >>> > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > On 2020-06-30 14:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>> > > > A poll could have already gone out from the national
>> office.
>> >>> >> Yet
>> >>> >> >>> > > > except
>> >>> >> >>> > > > for you - silence on this post.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > > That is wrong.  Are we scared of what they might say?  I
>> >>> >> actually
>> >>> >> >>> think
>> >>> >> >>> > > > they might have changed their mind, but I need to know
>> that
>> >>> for
>> >>> >> >>> sure.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > > *  In Liberty,*
>> >>> >> >>> > > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
>> >>> Asperger's
>> >>> >> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> >>> > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>> >>> inter-personal
>> >>> >> >>> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic
>> >>> arenas.  If
>> >>> >> >>> anyone
>> >>> >> >>> > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>> >>> other
>> >>> >> >>> social
>> >>> >> >>> > > > faux
>> >>> >> >>> > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and
>> let
>> >>> me
>> >>> >> >>> know.
>> >>> >> >>> > > > *
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM <john.phillips at lp.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Agreed.  I am informally polling my region, but that is
>> >>> just
>> >>> >> one
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> region.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> John Phillips
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Cell 217-412-5973
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> On Jun 30, 2020 1:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>> Lnc-business
>> >>> <
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Here is something we all need to take seriously.  The
>> >>> delegates
>> >>> >> >>> voted
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> for
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> an in person convention.  I don't really think we have
>> the
>> >>> >> right
>> >>> >> >>> to
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> cancel
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> if we have a location which we do.  It is usurping their
>> >>> >> decision.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> But
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> they may think differently now.  Can we poll them so we
>> >>> know
>> >>> >> what
>> >>> >> >>> we
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> should
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> do?  This isn't about us.  It is about particular state
>> >>> chairs
>> >>> >> in
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> particular regions.  It is about the delegate that gave
>> us
>> >>> >> >>> specific
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> marching orders.  Can we find out what THEY want?
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> *  In Liberty,*
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
>> >>> Asperger's
>> >>> >> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>> >>> inter-personal
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic
>> >>> arenas.
>> >>> >> If
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> anyone
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>> >>> other
>> >>> >> >>> social
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> faux
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and
>> >>> let me
>> >>> >> >>> know.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> *
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > >
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> --
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> *In Liberty,*
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> >> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
>> If
>> >>> >> anyone
>> >>> >> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> >>> social
>> >>> >> faux
>> >>> >> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >> --
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > *In Liberty,*
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> social
>> >>> >> faux
>> >>> >> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > --
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> *In Liberty,*
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> social
>> >>> faux
>> >>> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>>
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