[Lnc-business] Can we put out a poll to the delegates who voted for an in person convention

Wed Jul 1 15:10:41 EDT 2020

I have conferred with the chair and have his approval.  The poll is in the
mail
---
Daniel Fishman
Executive Director
The Libertarian Party
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On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 2:55 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> I object and agree with Sam.  You do not have the authority to send such a
> poll over the objections of the LNC unless the Chair has overridden the
> LNC.  Has he?
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:42 PM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I object.  Such a simplistic poll does not even begin to address the
>> financial consequences to the party of a cancellation.
>>
>> ---
>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> Convention Oversight Committee
>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>
>> On 2020-07-01 14:36, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > What I plan to send. I think the attendance question is important.  I
>> > will
>> > close the poll at midnight 3:am Eastern. I tried to gracefully
>> > incorporate
>> > the "rescind" language.
>> >
>> > [image: image.png]
>> > ---
>> > Daniel Fishman
>> > Executive Director
>> > The Libertarian Party
>> > Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 1:55 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> If the contract cannot be worked out that is out of our hands.  I
>> >> wanted
>> >> the poll yesterday.  Now I am done wasting my limited time on useless
>> >> exercises that we will then argue endlessly over.  My bandwidth is at
>> >> its
>> >> end.
>> >>
>> >> *In Liberty,*
>> >>
>> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >> anyone
>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> >> faux
>> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:42 AM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I get your point, but I disagree.  We have plenty of evidence that
>> >>> the
>> >>> delegates want to be polled that is reason enough to take the 5
>> >>> minutes to
>> >>> do it, and if they say have the convention than all is good anyway.
>> >>> If
>> >>> they say don't we have a data point to base a decision on.
>> >>>
>> >>> In reality sitting on the call last night there are some contract
>> >>> concerns that need to be worked out, and if they can't then it is
>> >>> moot.
>> >>>
>> >>> John Phillips
>> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> >>> Cell 217-412-5973
>> >>>
>> >>> On Jul 1, 2020 12:33 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>  I do not agree with that wording.  It does not answer for me the
>> >>> question that needs to be answered.
>> >>>
>> >>> And frankly it is too late.  Imagine if we spent this time doing
>> >>> something productive.
>> >>>
>> >>> *In Liberty,*
>> >>>
>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> >>> faux
>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:05 AM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Oh for the love of god can we just do the poll.
>> >>>
>> >>> Poll the delegates from Memorial day weekend.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ask them very simply:
>> >>> Would you vote to have an in person convention in Orlando July 8th
>> >>> thru
>> >>> 12th.
>> >>> Yes, No, Nota.
>> >>>
>> >>> At this point it wont matter with the screwing around going on as we
>> >>> won't be able to meet in time to cancel even if they all vote to do
>> >>> so, but
>> >>> lets do the damn poll so we at least know how bad it is.
>> >>>
>> >>> John Phillips
>> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> >>> Cell 217-412-5973
>> >>>
>> >>> On Jul 1, 2020 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Are you weighting the state chairs according to the number of
>> >>> delegates?
>> >>> If not, it is not representative.  Colorado has significantly more
>> >>> delegates than other states.  You cannot use the state chairs as
>> >>> representing delegates without that calculation.
>> >>>
>> >>> It is too late.  I asked for this poll early yesterday.  It is
>> >>> absolutely
>> >>> unethical at this point to turn people's lives upside down when we
>> >>> have a
>> >>> location.
>> >>>
>> >>> I have not agreed with a lot of the criticisms of this body - there
>> >>> has
>> >>> been shady business going on and we were dealt a bad hand.  If we
>> >>> cancel
>> >>> when we have a location over the will of delegates at convention,
>> >>> this
>> >>> body
>> >>> has no business being anywhere near leadership.  It is wrong, and it
>> >>> is
>> >>> robbing people who spent money and a violation of the principle of
>> >>> the
>> >>> non-initiation of force.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> *In Liberty,*
>> >>>
>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> >>> faux
>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:15 AM Richard Longstreth <
>> >>> richard.longstreth at lp.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > I'm not good with wording polls but if someone is, I'd like to get
>> this
>> >>> > started sooner rather than later. I find wisdom in hearing from the
>> >>> > delegates on this. My state chairs are, almost entirely, saying to
>> not
>> >>> > approve a third venue. Absent a poll of delegates, I intend to
>> >>> represent
>> >>> > their opinion and trust that they are representing their delegates
>> to
>> >>> me. I
>> >>> > cannot poll everyone in the region myself at this point, let alone
>> have
>> >>> > contact info for all of the delegates for speedy communication.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Richard Longstreth
>> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >>> > 931.538.9300
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 20:51 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> As far as wording that is not my call.  But bad wording will kill
>> the
>> >>> >> entire usefulness.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> >>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> > The poll should be only those credentialed at the Sunday session
>> of
>> >>> the
>> >>> >> > first part of the convention.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > They made a decision.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:54 PM Daniel Fishman <
>> dan.fishman at lphq.org>
>> >>>
>> >>> >> > wrote:
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >> Would you like me to poll all current members?  All delegates?
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> What would you like the wording to be?
>> >>> >> >> ---
>> >>> >> >> Daniel Fishman
>> >>> >> >> Executive Director
>> >>> >> >> The Libertarian Party
>> >>> >> >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via
>> Lnc-business <
>> >>> >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >>> Mr Hagan apologies if I was hasty though I do think in this
>> >>> rapidly
>> >>> >> >>> changing situation we must be checking our emails hourly.
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> My proposal is to poll only the delegates we are seeking to
>> >>> overturn.
>> >>> >> >>> Those credentialed at the session that voted for the in person
>> >>> >> >>> convention.
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:19 PM Richard Longstreth via
>> >>> Lnc-business <
>> >>> >> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> > I am supportive.
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> > Richard Longstreth
>> >>> >> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,
>> WA,
>> >>> WY)
>> >>> >> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> >>> >> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >>> >> >>> > 931.538.9300
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 15:37 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
>> >>> >> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> > > You shouldn't interpret silence as disapproval. Some people
>> >>> aren't
>> >>> >> >>> > > constantly checking their e-mails, could be working, or
>> still
>> >>> >> >>> processing
>> >>> >> >>> > > this news thrown at us last night and have questions.
>> >>> >> >>> > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > I don't have a problem with taking a poll, unless if we're
>> >>> going
>> >>> >> to
>> >>> >> >>> > > waste time arguing over the wording or who gets polled
>> (e.g.
>> >>> all
>> >>> >> >>> > > delegates, delegates & alternates credentialed in May,
>> etc.).
>> >>> >> >>> > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > ---
>> >>> >> >>> > > Tim Hagan
>> >>> >> >>> > > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>> >>> >> >>> > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > On 2020-06-30 14:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>> > > > A poll could have already gone out from the national
>> office.
>> >>> >> Yet
>> >>> >> >>> > > > except
>> >>> >> >>> > > > for you - silence on this post.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > > That is wrong.  Are we scared of what they might say?  I
>> >>> >> actually
>> >>> >> >>> think
>> >>> >> >>> > > > they might have changed their mind, but I need to know
>> that
>> >>> for
>> >>> >> >>> sure.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > > *  In Liberty,*
>> >>> >> >>> > > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
>> >>> Asperger's
>> >>> >> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> >>> > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>> >>> inter-personal
>> >>> >> >>> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic
>> >>> arenas.  If
>> >>> >> >>> anyone
>> >>> >> >>> > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>> >>> other
>> >>> >> >>> social
>> >>> >> >>> > > > faux
>> >>> >> >>> > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and
>> let
>> >>> me
>> >>> >> >>> know.
>> >>> >> >>> > > > *
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM <john.phillips at lp.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Agreed.  I am informally polling my region, but that is
>> >>> just
>> >>> >> one
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> region.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> John Phillips
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Cell 217-412-5973
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> On Jun 30, 2020 1:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>> Lnc-business
>> >>> <
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Here is something we all need to take seriously.  The
>> >>> delegates
>> >>> >> >>> voted
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> for
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> an in person convention.  I don't really think we have
>> the
>> >>> >> right
>> >>> >> >>> to
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> cancel
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> if we have a location which we do.  It is usurping their
>> >>> >> decision.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> But
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> they may think differently now.  Can we poll them so we
>> >>> know
>> >>> >> what
>> >>> >> >>> we
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> should
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> do?  This isn't about us.  It is about particular state
>> >>> chairs
>> >>> >> in
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> particular regions.  It is about the delegate that gave
>> us
>> >>> >> >>> specific
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> marching orders.  Can we find out what THEY want?
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> *  In Liberty,*
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
>> >>> Asperger's
>> >>> >> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>> >>> inter-personal
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic
>> >>> arenas.
>> >>> >> If
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> anyone
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>> >>> other
>> >>> >> >>> social
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> faux
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and
>> >>> let me
>> >>> >> >>> know.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> *
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > >
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> --
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> *In Liberty,*
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> >> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
>> If
>> >>> >> anyone
>> >>> >> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> >>> social
>> >>> >> faux
>> >>> >> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >> --
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > *In Liberty,*
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> social
>> >>> >> faux
>> >>> >> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > --
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> *In Liberty,*
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> social
>> >>> faux
>> >>> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Jul 1, 2020 12:33 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>  I do not agree with that wording.  It does not answer for me the
>> >>> question that needs to be answered.
>> >>>
>> >>> And frankly it is too late.  Imagine if we spent this time doing
>> >>> something productive.
>> >>>
>> >>> *In Liberty,*
>> >>>
>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> >>> faux
>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:05 AM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Oh for the love of god can we just do the poll.
>> >>>
>> >>> Poll the delegates from Memorial day weekend.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ask them very simply:
>> >>> Would you vote to have an in person convention in Orlando July 8th
>> >>> thru
>> >>> 12th.
>> >>> Yes, No, Nota.
>> >>>
>> >>> At this point it wont matter with the screwing around going on as we
>> >>> won't be able to meet in time to cancel even if they all vote to do
>> >>> so, but
>> >>> lets do the damn poll so we at least know how bad it is.
>> >>>
>> >>> John Phillips
>> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> >>> Cell 217-412-5973
>> >>>
>> >>> On Jul 1, 2020 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Are you weighting the state chairs according to the number of
>> >>> delegates?
>> >>> If not, it is not representative.  Colorado has significantly more
>> >>> delegates than other states.  You cannot use the state chairs as
>> >>> representing delegates without that calculation.
>> >>>
>> >>> It is too late.  I asked for this poll early yesterday.  It is
>> >>> absolutely
>> >>> unethical at this point to turn people's lives upside down when we
>> >>> have a
>> >>> location.
>> >>>
>> >>> I have not agreed with a lot of the criticisms of this body - there
>> >>> has
>> >>> been shady business going on and we were dealt a bad hand.  If we
>> >>> cancel
>> >>> when we have a location over the will of delegates at convention,
>> >>> this
>> >>> body
>> >>> has no business being anywhere near leadership.  It is wrong, and it
>> >>> is
>> >>> robbing people who spent money and a violation of the principle of
>> >>> the
>> >>> non-initiation of force.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> *In Liberty,*
>> >>>
>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> >>> faux
>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:15 AM Richard Longstreth <
>> >>> richard.longstreth at lp.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > I'm not good with wording polls but if someone is, I'd like to get
>> this
>> >>> > started sooner rather than later. I find wisdom in hearing from the
>> >>> > delegates on this. My state chairs are, almost entirely, saying to
>> not
>> >>> > approve a third venue. Absent a poll of delegates, I intend to
>> >>> represent
>> >>> > their opinion and trust that they are representing their delegates
>> to
>> >>> me. I
>> >>> > cannot poll everyone in the region myself at this point, let alone
>> have
>> >>> > contact info for all of the delegates for speedy communication.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Richard Longstreth
>> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >>> > 931.538.9300
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 20:51 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> As far as wording that is not my call.  But bad wording will kill
>> the
>> >>> >> entire usefulness.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> >>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> > The poll should be only those credentialed at the Sunday session
>> of
>> >>> the
>> >>> >> > first part of the convention.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > They made a decision.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:54 PM Daniel Fishman <
>> dan.fishman at lphq.org>
>> >>>
>> >>> >> > wrote:
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >> Would you like me to poll all current members?  All delegates?
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> What would you like the wording to be?
>> >>> >> >> ---
>> >>> >> >> Daniel Fishman
>> >>> >> >> Executive Director
>> >>> >> >> The Libertarian Party
>> >>> >> >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via
>> Lnc-business <
>> >>> >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >>> Mr Hagan apologies if I was hasty though I do think in this
>> >>> rapidly
>> >>> >> >>> changing situation we must be checking our emails hourly.
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> My proposal is to poll only the delegates we are seeking to
>> >>> overturn.
>> >>> >> >>> Those credentialed at the session that voted for the in person
>> >>> >> >>> convention.
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:19 PM Richard Longstreth via
>> >>> Lnc-business <
>> >>> >> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> > I am supportive.
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> > Richard Longstreth
>> >>> >> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,
>> WA,
>> >>> WY)
>> >>> >> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> >>> >> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >>> >> >>> > 931.538.9300
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 15:37 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
>> >>> >> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> > > You shouldn't interpret silence as disapproval. Some people
>> >>> aren't
>> >>> >> >>> > > constantly checking their e-mails, could be working, or
>> still
>> >>> >> >>> processing
>> >>> >> >>> > > this news thrown at us last night and have questions.
>> >>> >> >>> > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > I don't have a problem with taking a poll, unless if we're
>> >>> going
>> >>> >> to
>> >>> >> >>> > > waste time arguing over the wording or who gets polled
>> (e.g.
>> >>> all
>> >>> >> >>> > > delegates, delegates & alternates credentialed in May,
>> etc.).
>> >>> >> >>> > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > ---
>> >>> >> >>> > > Tim Hagan
>> >>> >> >>> > > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>> >>> >> >>> > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > On 2020-06-30 14:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>> > > > A poll could have already gone out from the national
>> office.
>> >>> >> Yet
>> >>> >> >>> > > > except
>> >>> >> >>> > > > for you - silence on this post.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > > That is wrong.  Are we scared of what they might say?  I
>> >>> >> actually
>> >>> >> >>> think
>> >>> >> >>> > > > they might have changed their mind, but I need to know
>> that
>> >>> for
>> >>> >> >>> sure.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > > *  In Liberty,*
>> >>> >> >>> > > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
>> >>> Asperger's
>> >>> >> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> >>> > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>> >>> inter-personal
>> >>> >> >>> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic
>> >>> arenas.  If
>> >>> >> >>> anyone
>> >>> >> >>> > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>> >>> other
>> >>> >> >>> social
>> >>> >> >>> > > > faux
>> >>> >> >>> > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and
>> let
>> >>> me
>> >>> >> >>> know.
>> >>> >> >>> > > > *
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM <john.phillips at lp.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Agreed.  I am informally polling my region, but that is
>> >>> just
>> >>> >> one
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> region.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> John Phillips
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Cell 217-412-5973
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> On Jun 30, 2020 1:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>> Lnc-business
>> >>> <
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Here is something we all need to take seriously.  The
>> >>> delegates
>> >>> >> >>> voted
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> for
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> an in person convention.  I don't really think we have
>> the
>> >>> >> right
>> >>> >> >>> to
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> cancel
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> if we have a location which we do.  It is usurping their
>> >>> >> decision.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> But
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> they may think differently now.  Can we poll them so we
>> >>> know
>> >>> >> what
>> >>> >> >>> we
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> should
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> do?  This isn't about us.  It is about particular state
>> >>> chairs
>> >>> >> in
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> particular regions.  It is about the delegate that gave
>> us
>> >>> >> >>> specific
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> marching orders.  Can we find out what THEY want?
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> *  In Liberty,*
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
>> >>> Asperger's
>> >>> >> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>> >>> inter-personal
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic
>> >>> arenas.
>> >>> >> If
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> anyone
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>> >>> other
>> >>> >> >>> social
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> faux
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and
>> >>> let me
>> >>> >> >>> know.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> *
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > >
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> --
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> *In Liberty,*
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> >> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
>> If
>> >>> >> anyone
>> >>> >> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> >>> social
>> >>> >> faux
>> >>> >> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >> --
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > *In Liberty,*
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> social
>> >>> >> faux
>> >>> >> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > --
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> *In Liberty,*
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> social
>> >>> faux
>> >>> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Jul 1, 2020 12:33 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>  I do not agree with that wording.  It does not answer for me the
>> >>> question that needs to be answered.
>> >>>
>> >>> And frankly it is too late.  Imagine if we spent this time doing
>> >>> something productive.
>> >>>
>> >>> *In Liberty,*
>> >>>
>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> >>> faux
>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:05 AM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Oh for the love of god can we just do the poll.
>> >>>
>> >>> Poll the delegates from Memorial day weekend.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ask them very simply:
>> >>> Would you vote to have an in person convention in Orlando July 8th
>> >>> thru
>> >>> 12th.
>> >>> Yes, No, Nota.
>> >>>
>> >>> At this point it wont matter with the screwing around going on as we
>> >>> won't be able to meet in time to cancel even if they all vote to do
>> >>> so, but
>> >>> lets do the damn poll so we at least know how bad it is.
>> >>>
>> >>> John Phillips
>> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> >>> Cell 217-412-5973
>> >>>
>> >>> On Jul 1, 2020 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Are you weighting the state chairs according to the number of
>> >>> delegates?
>> >>> If not, it is not representative.  Colorado has significantly more
>> >>> delegates than other states.  You cannot use the state chairs as
>> >>> representing delegates without that calculation.
>> >>>
>> >>> It is too late.  I asked for this poll early yesterday.  It is
>> >>> absolutely
>> >>> unethical at this point to turn people's lives upside down when we
>> >>> have a
>> >>> location.
>> >>>
>> >>> I have not agreed with a lot of the criticisms of this body - there
>> >>> has
>> >>> been shady business going on and we were dealt a bad hand.  If we
>> >>> cancel
>> >>> when we have a location over the will of delegates at convention,
>> >>> this
>> >>> body
>> >>> has no business being anywhere near leadership.  It is wrong, and it
>> >>> is
>> >>> robbing people who spent money and a violation of the principle of
>> >>> the
>> >>> non-initiation of force.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> *In Liberty,*
>> >>>
>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> >>> faux
>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:15 AM Richard Longstreth <
>> >>> richard.longstreth at lp.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > I'm not good with wording polls but if someone is, I'd like to get
>> this
>> >>> > started sooner rather than later. I find wisdom in hearing from the
>> >>> > delegates on this. My state chairs are, almost entirely, saying to
>> not
>> >>> > approve a third venue. Absent a poll of delegates, I intend to
>> >>> represent
>> >>> > their opinion and trust that they are representing their delegates
>> to
>> >>> me. I
>> >>> > cannot poll everyone in the region myself at this point, let alone
>> have
>> >>> > contact info for all of the delegates for speedy communication.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Richard Longstreth
>> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >>> > 931.538.9300
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 20:51 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> As far as wording that is not my call.  But bad wording will kill
>> the
>> >>> >> entire usefulness.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> >>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> > The poll should be only those credentialed at the Sunday session
>> of
>> >>> the
>> >>> >> > first part of the convention.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > They made a decision.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:54 PM Daniel Fishman <
>> dan.fishman at lphq.org>
>> >>>
>> >>> >> > wrote:
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >> Would you like me to poll all current members?  All delegates?
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> What would you like the wording to be?
>> >>> >> >> ---
>> >>> >> >> Daniel Fishman
>> >>> >> >> Executive Director
>> >>> >> >> The Libertarian Party
>> >>> >> >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via
>> Lnc-business <
>> >>> >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >>> Mr Hagan apologies if I was hasty though I do think in this
>> >>> rapidly
>> >>> >> >>> changing situation we must be checking our emails hourly.
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> My proposal is to poll only the delegates we are seeking to
>> >>> overturn.
>> >>> >> >>> Those credentialed at the session that voted for the in person
>> >>> >> >>> convention.
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:19 PM Richard Longstreth via
>> >>> Lnc-business <
>> >>> >> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> > I am supportive.
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> > Richard Longstreth
>> >>> >> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,
>> WA,
>> >>> WY)
>> >>> >> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> >>> >> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >>> >> >>> > 931.538.9300
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 15:37 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
>> >>> >> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> > > You shouldn't interpret silence as disapproval. Some people
>> >>> aren't
>> >>> >> >>> > > constantly checking their e-mails, could be working, or
>> still
>> >>> >> >>> processing
>> >>> >> >>> > > this news thrown at us last night and have questions.
>> >>> >> >>> > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > I don't have a problem with taking a poll, unless if we're
>> >>> going
>> >>> >> to
>> >>> >> >>> > > waste time arguing over the wording or who gets polled
>> (e.g.
>> >>> all
>> >>> >> >>> > > delegates, delegates & alternates credentialed in May,
>> etc.).
>> >>> >> >>> > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > ---
>> >>> >> >>> > > Tim Hagan
>> >>> >> >>> > > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>> >>> >> >>> > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > On 2020-06-30 14:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>> > > > A poll could have already gone out from the national
>> office.
>> >>> >> Yet
>> >>> >> >>> > > > except
>> >>> >> >>> > > > for you - silence on this post.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > > That is wrong.  Are we scared of what they might say?  I
>> >>> >> actually
>> >>> >> >>> think
>> >>> >> >>> > > > they might have changed their mind, but I need to know
>> that
>> >>> for
>> >>> >> >>> sure.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > > *  In Liberty,*
>> >>> >> >>> > > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
>> >>> Asperger's
>> >>> >> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> >>> > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>> >>> inter-personal
>> >>> >> >>> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic
>> >>> arenas.  If
>> >>> >> >>> anyone
>> >>> >> >>> > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>> >>> other
>> >>> >> >>> social
>> >>> >> >>> > > > faux
>> >>> >> >>> > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and
>> let
>> >>> me
>> >>> >> >>> know.
>> >>> >> >>> > > > *
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM <john.phillips at lp.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>> > > >
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Agreed.  I am informally polling my region, but that is
>> >>> just
>> >>> >> one
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> region.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> John Phillips
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Cell 217-412-5973
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> On Jun 30, 2020 1:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>> Lnc-business
>> >>> <
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Here is something we all need to take seriously.  The
>> >>> delegates
>> >>> >> >>> voted
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> for
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> an in person convention.  I don't really think we have
>> the
>> >>> >> right
>> >>> >> >>> to
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> cancel
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> if we have a location which we do.  It is usurping their
>> >>> >> decision.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> But
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> they may think differently now.  Can we poll them so we
>> >>> know
>> >>> >> what
>> >>> >> >>> we
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> should
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> do?  This isn't about us.  It is about particular state
>> >>> chairs
>> >>> >> in
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> particular regions.  It is about the delegate that gave
>> us
>> >>> >> >>> specific
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> marching orders.  Can we find out what THEY want?
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> *  In Liberty,*
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
>> >>> Asperger's
>> >>> >> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>> >>> inter-personal
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic
>> >>> arenas.
>> >>> >> If
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> anyone
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>> >>> other
>> >>> >> >>> social
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> faux
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and
>> >>> let me
>> >>> >> >>> know.
>> >>> >> >>> > > >> *
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
>> >>> >> >>> > >
>> >>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >> >>> --
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> *In Liberty,*
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> >> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
>> If
>> >>> >> anyone
>> >>> >> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> >>> social
>> >>> >> faux
>> >>> >> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >> --
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > *In Liberty,*
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> social
>> >>> >> faux
>> >>> >> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > --
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> *In Liberty,*
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> Syndrome
>> >>> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> social
>> >>> faux
>> >>> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>>
>