[Lnc-business] Can we put out a poll to the delegates who voted for an in person convention

Caryn Ann Harlos caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Thu Jul 2 00:51:22 EDT 2020 

I do not.  They are not the ones who can change the mind of those who
voted.  That is also not what I asked for.  I object to the ED making so
many decisions on this himself.  Next comes the game of political
football.  Staff needs to stay clear of internal politics.

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *



On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 6:25 PM Susan Hogarth <susan.hogarth at lp.org> wrote:

> I agree with Dan that the current list is the relevant one, since many
> delegations were adjusted based on ability to go to Orlando
>
> Susan Jane Hogarth
>
> Region 5 Representative
>
> Libertarian National Committee
>
> susan.hogarth at lp.org
>
> 919-906-2106
>
>
> On Jul 1, 2020 at 8:21 PM, <Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>> wrote:
>
> The current list is not the list of the seated delegates from the Sunday
> portion of the convention.  Too late anyways.
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:57 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> > The list used was the CURRENT list in the CRM of delegates.  I sent the
> > same poll to alternates but wanted to keep the results in separate groups.
> > Daniel Fishman
> > Executive Director
> > The Libertarian Party
> > Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:40 PM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I have one delegate that wishes to vote not attending in person, but will
> > > not vote in the poll because ot says that the election admins can see
> > their
> > > choices rather than being anonymous.
> > >
> > > John Phillips
> > > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > > Cell 217-412-5973
> > >
> > > On Jul 1, 2020 3:57 PM, john.phillips at lp.org wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a few delegates that have not received as well.
> > >
> > > Also advise people to check "promotions" folder.
> > >
> > > John Phillips
> > > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > > Cell 217-412-5973
> > >
> > > On Jul 1, 2020 3:45 PM, "erin.adams--- via Lnc-business" <
> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > It appears the incorrect delegate list was used when sending the survey.
> > I
> > > would ask that that list be cross-checked with the most current list from
> > > credentials and I would also ask that alternates be asked that alternates
> > > be polled as well
> > >
> > > Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
> > >
> > > On Jul 1, 2020 3:40 PM, Rich Bowen via Lnc-business <
> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 2020-07-01 15:10, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
> > > > I have conferred with the chair and have his approval.  The poll is in
> > > > the
> > > > mail
> > > > ---
> > > > Daniel Fishman
> > > > Executive Director
> > > > The Libertarian Party
> > > > Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 2:55 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
> > > > <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I object and agree with Sam.  You do not have the authority to send
> > > >> such a
> > > >> poll over the objections of the LNC unless the Chair has overridden
> > > >> the
> > > >> LNC.  Has he?
> > > >>
> > > >> *In Liberty,*
> > > >>
> > > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> > > >> anyone
> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> > > >> faux
> > > >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:42 PM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> I object.  Such a simplistic poll does not even begin to address the
> > > >>> financial consequences to the party of a cancellation.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ---
> > > >>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> > > >>> Libertarian National Committee
> > > >>> Convention Oversight Committee
> > > >>> 317-850-0726 Cell
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 2020-07-01 14:36, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
> > > >>> > What I plan to send. I think the attendance question is important.
> > > I
> > > >>> > will
> > > >>> > close the poll at midnight 3:am Eastern. I tried to gracefully
> > > >>> > incorporate
> > > >>> > the "rescind" language.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > [image: image.png]
> > > >>> > ---
> > > >>> > Daniel Fishman
> > > >>> > Executive Director
> > > >>> > The Libertarian Party
> > > >>> > Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 1:55 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
> > > >>> > <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> > > >>> > wrote:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >> If the contract cannot be worked out that is out of our hands.  I
> > > >>> >> wanted
> > > >>> >> the poll yesterday.  Now I am done wasting my limited time on
> > > useless
> > > >>> >> exercises that we will then argue endlessly over.  My bandwidth is
> > > at
> > > >>> >> its
> > > >>> >> end.
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >> *In Liberty,*
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> > > Syndrome
> > > >>> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > > >>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> > > >>> >> anyone
> > > >>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> > > social
> > > >>> >> faux
> > > >>> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:42 AM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >>> I get your point, but I disagree.  We have plenty of evidence
> > that
> > > >>> >>> the
> > > >>> >>> delegates want to be polled that is reason enough to take the 5
> > > >>> >>> minutes to
> > > >>> >>> do it, and if they say have the convention than all is good
> > > anyway.
> > > >>> >>> If
> > > >>> >>> they say don't we have a data point to base a decision on.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> In reality sitting on the call last night there are some contract
> > > >>> >>> concerns that need to be worked out, and if they can't then it is
> > > >>> >>> moot.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> John Phillips
> > > >>> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > > >>> >>> Cell 217-412-5973
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> On Jul 1, 2020 12:33 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> > caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> > >
> > > >>> >>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>  I do not agree with that wording.  It does not answer for me the
> > > >>> >>> question that needs to be answered.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> And frankly it is too late.  Imagine if we spent this time doing
> > > >>> >>> something productive.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> *In Liberty,*
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> > > >>> >>> Syndrome
> > > >>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > > >>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> > > >>> >>> anyone
> > > >>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> > > social
> > > >>> >>> faux
> > > >>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:05 AM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> Oh for the love of god can we just do the poll.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> Poll the delegates from Memorial day weekend.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> Ask them very simply:
> > > >>> >>> Would you vote to have an in person convention in Orlando July
> > 8th
> > > >>> >>> thru
> > > >>> >>> 12th.
> > > >>> >>> Yes, No, Nota.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> At this point it wont matter with the screwing around going on as
> > > we
> > > >>> >>> won't be able to meet in time to cancel even if they all vote to
> > > do
> > > >>> >>> so, but
> > > >>> >>> lets do the damn poll so we at least know how bad it is.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> John Phillips
> > > >>> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > > >>> >>> Cell 217-412-5973
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> On Jul 1, 2020 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> > > >>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> Are you weighting the state chairs according to the number of
> > > >>> >>> delegates?
> > > >>> >>> If not, it is not representative.  Colorado has significantly
> > more
> > > >>> >>> delegates than other states.  You cannot use the state chairs as
> > > >>> >>> representing delegates without that calculation.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> It is too late.  I asked for this poll early yesterday.  It is
> > > >>> >>> absolutely
> > > >>> >>> unethical at this point to turn people's lives upside down when
> > we
> > > >>> >>> have a
> > > >>> >>> location.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> I have not agreed with a lot of the criticisms of this body -
> > > there
> > > >>> >>> has
> > > >>> >>> been shady business going on and we were dealt a bad hand.  If we
> > > >>> >>> cancel
> > > >>> >>> when we have a location over the will of delegates at convention,
> > > >>> >>> this
> > > >>> >>> body
> > > >>> >>> has no business being anywhere near leadership.  It is wrong, and
> > > it
> > > >>> >>> is
> > > >>> >>> robbing people who spent money and a violation of the principle
> > of
> > > >>> >>> the
> > > >>> >>> non-initiation of force.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> *In Liberty,*
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> > > >>> >>> Syndrome
> > > >>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > > >>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> > > >>> >>> anyone
> > > >>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> > > social
> > > >>> >>> faux
> > > >>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:15 AM Richard Longstreth <
> > > >>> >>> richard.longstreth at lp.org>
> > > >>> >>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> > I'm not good with wording polls but if someone is, I'd like to
> > > get
> > > >>> this
> > > >>> >>> > started sooner rather than later. I find wisdom in hearing from
> > > the
> > > >>> >>> > delegates on this. My state chairs are, almost entirely, saying
> > > to
> > > >>> not
> > > >>> >>> > approve a third venue. Absent a poll of delegates, I intend to
> > > >>> >>> represent
> > > >>> >>> > their opinion and trust that they are representing their
> > > delegates
> > > >>> to
> > > >>> >>> me. I
> > > >>> >>> > cannot poll everyone in the region myself at this point, let
> > > alone
> > > >>> have
> > > >>> >>> > contact info for all of the delegates for speedy communication.
> > > >>> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> > > >>> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,
> > WA,
> > > WY)
> > > >>> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> > > >>> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > > >>> >>> > 931.538.9300
> > > >>> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> > > >>> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 20:51 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> > > >>> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> >> As far as wording that is not my call.  But bad wording will
> > > kill
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> >>> >> entire usefulness.
> > > >>> >>> >>
> > > >>> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
> > > >>> >>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > > >>> >>> >> >
> > > >>> >>> >> wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >>
> > > >>> >>> >> > The poll should be only those credentialed at the Sunday
> > > session
> > > >>> of
> > > >>> >>> the
> > > >>> >>> >> > first part of the convention.
> > > >>> >>> >> >
> > > >>> >>> >> > They made a decision.
> > > >>> >>> >> >
> > > >>> >>> >> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:54 PM Daniel Fishman <
> > > >>> dan.fishman at lphq.org>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> >> > wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >> >
> > > >>> >>> >> >> Would you like me to poll all current members?  All
> > > delegates?
> > > >>> >>> >> >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >> What would you like the wording to be?
> > > >>> >>> >> >> ---
> > > >>> >>> >> >> Daniel Fishman
> > > >>> >>> >> >> Executive Director
> > > >>> >>> >> >> The Libertarian Party
> > > >>> >>> >> >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via
> > > >>> Lnc-business <
> > > >>> >>> >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >> >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> Mr Hagan apologies if I was hasty though I do think in
> > this
> > > >>> >>> rapidly
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> changing situation we must be checking our emails hourly.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> My proposal is to poll only the delegates we are seeking
> > to
> > > >>> >>> overturn.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> Those credentialed at the session that voted for the in
> > > person
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> convention.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:19 PM Richard Longstreth via
> > > >>> >>> Lnc-business <
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >> >>>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > I am supportive.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR,
> > > UT,
> > > >>> WA,
> > > >>> >>> WY)
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > 931.538.9300
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 15:37 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > You shouldn't interpret silence as disapproval. Some
> > > people
> > > >>> >>> aren't
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > constantly checking their e-mails, could be working,
> > or
> > > >>> still
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> processing
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > this news thrown at us last night and have questions.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > I don't have a problem with taking a poll, unless if
> > > we're
> > > >>> >>> going
> > > >>> >>> >> to
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > waste time arguing over the wording or who gets polled
> > > >>> (e.g.
> > > >>> >>> all
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > delegates, delegates & alternates credentialed in May,
> > > >>> etc.).
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > ---
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > Tim Hagan
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > On 2020-06-30 14:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > A poll could have already gone out from the national
> > > >>> office.
> > > >>> >>> >> Yet
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > except
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > for you - silence on this post.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > That is wrong.  Are we scared of what they might
> > > say?  I
> > > >>> >>> >> actually
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> think
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > they might have changed their mind, but I need to
> > > know
> > > >>> that
> > > >>> >>> for
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> sure.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > *  In Liberty,*
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> > > >>> >>> Asperger's
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> Syndrome
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> > > >>> >>> inter-personal
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic
> > > >>> >>> arenas.  If
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> anyone
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or
> > > some
> > > >>> >>> other
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> social
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > faux
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately
> > > and
> > > >>> let
> > > >>> >>> me
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> know.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > *
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM <
> > john.phillips at lp.org>
> > >
> > > >>> >>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Agreed.  I am informally polling my region, but
> > that
> > > is
> > > >>> >>> just
> > > >>> >>> >> one
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> region.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> John Phillips
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6
> > > Representative
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Cell 217-412-5973
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> On Jun 30, 2020 1:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
> > > >>> Lnc-business
> > > >>> >>> <
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Here is something we all need to take seriously.
> > > The
> > > >>> >>> delegates
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> voted
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> for
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> an in person convention.  I don't really think we
> > > have
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> >>> >> right
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> to
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> cancel
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> if we have a location which we do.  It is usurping
> > > their
> > > >>> >>> >> decision.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> But
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> they may think differently now.  Can we poll them
> > so
> > > we
> > > >>> >>> know
> > > >>> >>> >> what
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> we
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> should
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> do?  This isn't about us.  It is about particular
> > > state
> > > >>> >>> chairs
> > > >>> >>> >> in
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> particular regions.  It is about the delegate that
> > > gave
> > > >>> us
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> specific
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> marching orders.  Can we find out what THEY want?
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> *  In Liberty,*
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> > > >>> >>> Asperger's
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> Syndrome
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> > > >>> >>> inter-personal
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> communication skills in both personal and
> > electronic
> > > >>> >>> arenas.
> > > >>> >>> >> If
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> anyone
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or
> > > some
> > > >>> >>> other
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> social
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> faux
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me
> > privately
> > > and
> > > >>> >>> let me
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> know.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> *
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> --
> > > >>> >>> >> >>>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> *In Liberty,*
> > > >>> >>> >> >>>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> > > Asperger's
> > > >>> >>> Syndrome
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> > > inter-personal
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic
> > > arenas.
> > > >>> If
> > > >>> >>> >> anyone
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
> > > other
> > > >>> >>> social
> > > >>> >>> >> faux
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> > > >>> >>> >> >>>
> > > >>> >>> >> >> --
> > > >>> >>> >> >
> > > >>> >>> >> > *In Liberty,*
> > > >>> >>> >> >
> > > >>> >>> >> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> > Asperger's
> > > >>> >>> Syndrome
> > > >>> >>> >> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> > > inter-personal
> > > >>> >>> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
> > > If
> > > >>> >>> anyone
> > > >>> >>> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
> > other
> > > >>> social
> > > >>> >>> >> faux
> > > >>> >>> >> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> > > >>> >>> >> >
> > > >>> >>> >> > --
> > > >>> >>> >>
> > > >>> >>> >> *In Liberty,*
> > > >>> >>> >>
> > > >>> >>> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> > > >>> Syndrome
> > > >>> >>> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > > >>> >>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
> > > If
> > > >>> >>> anyone
> > > >>> >>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> > > >>> social
> > > >>> >>> faux
> > > >>> >>> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> > > >>> >>> >>
> > > >>> >>> >
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> On Jul 1, 2020 12:33 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> > caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> > >
> > > >>> >>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>  I do not agree with that wording.  It does not answer for me the
> > > >>> >>> question that needs to be answered.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> And frankly it is too late.  Imagine if we spent this time doing
> > > >>> >>> something productive.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> *In Liberty,*
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> > > >>> >>> Syndrome
> > > >>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > > >>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> > > >>> >>> anyone
> > > >>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> > > social
> > > >>> >>> faux
> > > >>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:05 AM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> Oh for the love of god can we just do the poll.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> Poll the delegates from Memorial day weekend.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> Ask them very simply:
> > > >>> >>> Would you vote to have an in person convention in Orlando July
> > 8th
> > > >>> >>> thru
> > > >>> >>> 12th.
> > > >>> >>> Yes, No, Nota.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> At this point it wont matter with the screwing around going on as
> > > we
> > > >>> >>> won't be able to meet in time to cancel even if they all vote to
> > > do
> > > >>> >>> so, but
> > > >>> >>> lets do the damn poll so we at least know how bad it is.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> John Phillips
> > > >>> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > > >>> >>> Cell 217-412-5973
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> On Jul 1, 2020 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> > > >>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> Are you weighting the state chairs according to the number of
> > > >>> >>> delegates?
> > > >>> >>> If not, it is not representative.  Colorado has significantly
> > more
> > > >>> >>> delegates than other states.  You cannot use the state chairs as
> > > >>> >>> representing delegates without that calculation.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> It is too late.  I asked for this poll early yesterday.  It is
> > > >>> >>> absolutely
> > > >>> >>> unethical at this point to turn people's lives upside down when
> > we
> > > >>> >>> have a
> > > >>> >>> location.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> I have not agreed with a lot of the criticisms of this body -
> > > there
> > > >>> >>> has
> > > >>> >>> been shady business going on and we were dealt a bad hand.  If we
> > > >>> >>> cancel
> > > >>> >>> when we have a location over the will of delegates at convention,
> > > >>> >>> this
> > > >>> >>> body
> > > >>> >>> has no business being anywhere near leadership.  It is wrong, and
> > > it
> > > >>> >>> is
> > > >>> >>> robbing people who spent money and a violation of the principle
> > of
> > > >>> >>> the
> > > >>> >>> non-initiation of force.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> *In Liberty,*
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> > > >>> >>> Syndrome
> > > >>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > > >>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> > > >>> >>> anyone
> > > >>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> > > social
> > > >>> >>> faux
> > > >>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:15 AM Richard Longstreth <
> > > >>> >>> richard.longstreth at lp.org>
> > > >>> >>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> > I'm not good with wording polls but if someone is, I'd like to
> > > get
> > > >>> this
> > > >>> >>> > started sooner rather than later. I find wisdom in hearing from
> > > the
> > > >>> >>> > delegates on this. My state chairs are, almost entirely, saying
> > > to
> > > >>> not
> > > >>> >>> > approve a third venue. Absent a poll of delegates, I intend to
> > > >>> >>> represent
> > > >>> >>> > their opinion and trust that they are representing their
> > > delegates
> > > >>> to
> > > >>> >>> me. I
> > > >>> >>> > cannot poll everyone in the region myself at this point, let
> > > alone
> > > >>> have
> > > >>> >>> > contact info for all of the delegates for speedy communication.
> > > >>> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> > > >>> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,
> > WA,
> > > WY)
> > > >>> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> > > >>> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > > >>> >>> > 931.538.9300
> > > >>> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> > > >>> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 20:51 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> > > >>> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> >> As far as wording that is not my call.  But bad wording will
> > > kill
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> >>> >> entire usefulness.
> > > >>> >>> >>
> > > >>> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
> > > >>> >>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > > >>> >>> >> >
> > > >>> >>> >> wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >>
> > > >>> >>> >> > The poll should be only those credentialed at the Sunday
> > > session
> > > >>> of
> > > >>> >>> the
> > > >>> >>> >> > first part of the convention.
> > > >>> >>> >> >
> > > >>> >>> >> > They made a decision.
> > > >>> >>> >> >
> > > >>> >>> >> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:54 PM Daniel Fishman <
> > > >>> dan.fishman at lphq.org>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> >> > wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >> >
> > > >>> >>> >> >> Would you like me to poll all current members?  All
> > > delegates?
> > > >>> >>> >> >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >> What would you like the wording to be?
> > > >>> >>> >> >> ---
> > > >>> >>> >> >> Daniel Fishman
> > > >>> >>> >> >> Executive Director
> > > >>> >>> >> >> The Libertarian Party
> > > >>> >>> >> >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via
> > > >>> Lnc-business <
> > > >>> >>> >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >> >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> Mr Hagan apologies if I was hasty though I do think in
> > this
> > > >>> >>> rapidly
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> changing situation we must be checking our emails hourly.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> My proposal is to poll only the delegates we are seeking
> > to
> > > >>> >>> overturn.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> Those credentialed at the session that voted for the in
> > > person
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> convention.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:19 PM Richard Longstreth via
> > > >>> >>> Lnc-business <
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >> >>>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > I am supportive.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR,
> > > UT,
> > > >>> WA,
> > > >>> >>> WY)
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > 931.538.9300
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 15:37 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > You shouldn't interpret silence as disapproval. Some
> > > people
> > > >>> >>> aren't
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > constantly checking their e-mails, could be working,
> > or
> > > >>> still
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> processing
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > this news thrown at us last night and have questions.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > I don't have a problem with taking a poll, unless if
> > > we're
> > > >>> >>> going
> > > >>> >>> >> to
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > waste time arguing over the wording or who gets polled
> > > >>> (e.g.
> > > >>> >>> all
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > delegates, delegates & alternates credentialed in May,
> > > >>> etc.).
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > ---
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > Tim Hagan
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > On 2020-06-30 14:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > A poll could have already gone out from the national
> > > >>> office.
> > > >>> >>> >> Yet
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > except
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > for you - silence on this post.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > That is wrong.  Are we scared of what they might
> > > say?  I
> > > >>> >>> >> actually
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> think
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > they might have changed their mind, but I need to
> > > know
> > > >>> that
> > > >>> >>> for
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> sure.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > *  In Liberty,*
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> > > >>> >>> Asperger's
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> Syndrome
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> > > >>> >>> inter-personal
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic
> > > >>> >>> arenas.  If
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> anyone
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or
> > > some
> > > >>> >>> other
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> social
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > faux
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately
> > > and
> > > >>> let
> > > >>> >>> me
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> know.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > *
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM <
> > john.phillips at lp.org>
> > >
> > > >>> >>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Agreed.  I am informally polling my region, but
> > that
> > > is
> > > >>> >>> just
> > > >>> >>> >> one
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> region.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> John Phillips
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6
> > > Representative
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Cell 217-412-5973
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> On Jun 30, 2020 1:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
> > > >>> Lnc-business
> > > >>> >>> <
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Here is something we all need to take seriously.
> > > The
> > > >>> >>> delegates
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> voted
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> for
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> an in person convention.  I don't really think we
> > > have
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> >>> >> right
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> to
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> cancel
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> if we have a location which we do.  It is usurping
> > > their
> > > >>> >>> >> decision.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> But
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> they may think differently now.  Can we poll them
> > so
> > > we
> > > >>> >>> know
> > > >>> >>> >> what
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> we
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> should
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> do?  This isn't about us.  It is about particular
> > > state
> > > >>> >>> chairs
> > > >>> >>> >> in
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> particular regions.  It is about the delegate that
> > > gave
> > > >>> us
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> specific
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> marching orders.  Can we find out what THEY want?
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> *  In Liberty,*
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> > > >>> >>> Asperger's
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> Syndrome
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> > > >>> >>> inter-personal
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> communication skills in both personal and
> > electronic
> > > >>> >>> arenas.
> > > >>> >>> >> If
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> anyone
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or
> > > some
> > > >>> >>> other
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> social
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> faux
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me
> > privately
> > > and
> > > >>> >>> let me
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> know.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> *
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> --
> > > >>> >>> >> >>>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> *In Liberty,*
> > > >>> >>> >> >>>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> > > Asperger's
> > > >>> >>> Syndrome
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> > > inter-personal
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic
> > > arenas.
> > > >>> If
> > > >>> >>> >> anyone
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
> > > other
> > > >>> >>> social
> > > >>> >>> >> faux
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> > > >>> >>> >> >>>
> > > >>> >>> >> >> --
> > > >>> >>> >> >
> > > >>> >>> >> > *In Liberty,*
> > > >>> >>> >> >
> > > >>> >>> >> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> > Asperger's
> > > >>> >>> Syndrome
> > > >>> >>> >> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> > > inter-personal
> > > >>> >>> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
> > > If
> > > >>> >>> anyone
> > > >>> >>> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
> > other
> > > >>> social
> > > >>> >>> >> faux
> > > >>> >>> >> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> > > >>> >>> >> >
> > > >>> >>> >> > --
> > > >>> >>> >>
> > > >>> >>> >> *In Liberty,*
> > > >>> >>> >>
> > > >>> >>> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> > > >>> Syndrome
> > > >>> >>> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > > >>> >>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
> > > If
> > > >>> >>> anyone
> > > >>> >>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> > > >>> social
> > > >>> >>> faux
> > > >>> >>> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> > > >>> >>> >>
> > > >>> >>> >
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> On Jul 1, 2020 12:33 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> > caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> > >
> > > >>> >>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>  I do not agree with that wording.  It does not answer for me the
> > > >>> >>> question that needs to be answered.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> And frankly it is too late.  Imagine if we spent this time doing
> > > >>> >>> something productive.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> *In Liberty,*
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> > > >>> >>> Syndrome
> > > >>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > > >>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> > > >>> >>> anyone
> > > >>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> > > social
> > > >>> >>> faux
> > > >>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:05 AM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> Oh for the love of god can we just do the poll.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> Poll the delegates from Memorial day weekend.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> Ask them very simply:
> > > >>> >>> Would you vote to have an in person convention in Orlando July
> > 8th
> > > >>> >>> thru
> > > >>> >>> 12th.
> > > >>> >>> Yes, No, Nota.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> At this point it wont matter with the screwing around going on as
> > > we
> > > >>> >>> won't be able to meet in time to cancel even if they all vote to
> > > do
> > > >>> >>> so, but
> > > >>> >>> lets do the damn poll so we at least know how bad it is.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> John Phillips
> > > >>> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > > >>> >>> Cell 217-412-5973
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> On Jul 1, 2020 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> > > >>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> Are you weighting the state chairs according to the number of
> > > >>> >>> delegates?
> > > >>> >>> If not, it is not representative.  Colorado has significantly
> > more
> > > >>> >>> delegates than other states.  You cannot use the state chairs as
> > > >>> >>> representing delegates without that calculation.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> It is too late.  I asked for this poll early yesterday.  It is
> > > >>> >>> absolutely
> > > >>> >>> unethical at this point to turn people's lives upside down when
> > we
> > > >>> >>> have a
> > > >>> >>> location.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> I have not agreed with a lot of the criticisms of this body -
> > > there
> > > >>> >>> has
> > > >>> >>> been shady business going on and we were dealt a bad hand.  If we
> > > >>> >>> cancel
> > > >>> >>> when we have a location over the will of delegates at convention,
> > > >>> >>> this
> > > >>> >>> body
> > > >>> >>> has no business being anywhere near leadership.  It is wrong, and
> > > it
> > > >>> >>> is
> > > >>> >>> robbing people who spent money and a violation of the principle
> > of
> > > >>> >>> the
> > > >>> >>> non-initiation of force.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> *In Liberty,*
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> > > >>> >>> Syndrome
> > > >>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > > >>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> > > >>> >>> anyone
> > > >>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> > > social
> > > >>> >>> faux
> > > >>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:15 AM Richard Longstreth <
> > > >>> >>> richard.longstreth at lp.org>
> > > >>> >>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> > I'm not good with wording polls but if someone is, I'd like to
> > > get
> > > >>> this
> > > >>> >>> > started sooner rather than later. I find wisdom in hearing from
> > > the
> > > >>> >>> > delegates on this. My state chairs are, almost entirely, saying
> > > to
> > > >>> not
> > > >>> >>> > approve a third venue. Absent a poll of delegates, I intend to
> > > >>> >>> represent
> > > >>> >>> > their opinion and trust that they are representing their
> > > delegates
> > > >>> to
> > > >>> >>> me. I
> > > >>> >>> > cannot poll everyone in the region myself at this point, let
> > > alone
> > > >>> have
> > > >>> >>> > contact info for all of the delegates for speedy communication.
> > > >>> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> > > >>> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,
> > WA,
> > > WY)
> > > >>> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> > > >>> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > > >>> >>> > 931.538.9300
> > > >>> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> > > >>> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 20:51 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> > > >>> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> >> As far as wording that is not my call.  But bad wording will
> > > kill
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> >>> >> entire usefulness.
> > > >>> >>> >>
> > > >>> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
> > > >>> >>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > > >>> >>> >> >
> > > >>> >>> >> wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >>
> > > >>> >>> >> > The poll should be only those credentialed at the Sunday
> > > session
> > > >>> of
> > > >>> >>> the
> > > >>> >>> >> > first part of the convention.
> > > >>> >>> >> >
> > > >>> >>> >> > They made a decision.
> > > >>> >>> >> >
> > > >>> >>> >> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:54 PM Daniel Fishman <
> > > >>> dan.fishman at lphq.org>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> >> > wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >> >
> > > >>> >>> >> >> Would you like me to poll all current members?  All
> > > delegates?
> > > >>> >>> >> >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >> What would you like the wording to be?
> > > >>> >>> >> >> ---
> > > >>> >>> >> >> Daniel Fishman
> > > >>> >>> >> >> Executive Director
> > > >>> >>> >> >> The Libertarian Party
> > > >>> >>> >> >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via
> > > >>> Lnc-business <
> > > >>> >>> >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >> >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> Mr Hagan apologies if I was hasty though I do think in
> > this
> > > >>> >>> rapidly
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> changing situation we must be checking our emails hourly.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> My proposal is to poll only the delegates we are seeking
> > to
> > > >>> >>> overturn.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> Those credentialed at the session that voted for the in
> > > person
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> convention.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:19 PM Richard Longstreth via
> > > >>> >>> Lnc-business <
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >> >>>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > I am supportive.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR,
> > > UT,
> > > >>> WA,
> > > >>> >>> WY)
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > 931.538.9300
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 15:37 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > You shouldn't interpret silence as disapproval. Some
> > > people
> > > >>> >>> aren't
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > constantly checking their e-mails, could be working,
> > or
> > > >>> still
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> processing
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > this news thrown at us last night and have questions.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > I don't have a problem with taking a poll, unless if
> > > we're
> > > >>> >>> going
> > > >>> >>> >> to
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > waste time arguing over the wording or who gets polled
> > > >>> (e.g.
> > > >>> >>> all
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > delegates, delegates & alternates credentialed in May,
> > > >>> etc.).
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > ---
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > Tim Hagan
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > On 2020-06-30 14:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > A poll could have already gone out from the national
> > > >>> office.
> > > >>> >>> >> Yet
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > except
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > for you - silence on this post.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > That is wrong.  Are we scared of what they might
> > > say?  I
> > > >>> >>> >> actually
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> think
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > they might have changed their mind, but I need to
> > > know
> > > >>> that
> > > >>> >>> for
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> sure.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > *  In Liberty,*
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> > > >>> >>> Asperger's
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> Syndrome
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> > > >>> >>> inter-personal
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic
> > > >>> >>> arenas.  If
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> anyone
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or
> > > some
> > > >>> >>> other
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> social
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > faux
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately
> > > and
> > > >>> let
> > > >>> >>> me
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> know.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > *
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM <
> > john.phillips at lp.org>
> > >
> > > >>> >>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Agreed.  I am informally polling my region, but
> > that
> > > is
> > > >>> >>> just
> > > >>> >>> >> one
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> region.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> John Phillips
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6
> > > Representative
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Cell 217-412-5973
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> On Jun 30, 2020 1:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
> > > >>> Lnc-business
> > > >>> >>> <
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> Here is something we all need to take seriously.
> > > The
> > > >>> >>> delegates
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> voted
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> for
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> an in person convention.  I don't really think we
> > > have
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> >>> >> right
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> to
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> cancel
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> if we have a location which we do.  It is usurping
> > > their
> > > >>> >>> >> decision.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> But
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> they may think differently now.  Can we poll them
> > so
> > > we
> > > >>> >>> know
> > > >>> >>> >> what
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> we
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> should
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> do?  This isn't about us.  It is about particular
> > > state
> > > >>> >>> chairs
> > > >>> >>> >> in
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> particular regions.  It is about the delegate that
> > > gave
> > > >>> us
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> specific
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> marching orders.  Can we find out what THEY want?
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> *  In Liberty,*
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> > > >>> >>> Asperger's
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> Syndrome
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> > > >>> >>> inter-personal
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> communication skills in both personal and
> > electronic
> > > >>> >>> arenas.
> > > >>> >>> >> If
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> anyone
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or
> > > some
> > > >>> >>> other
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> social
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> faux
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me
> > privately
> > > and
> > > >>> >>> let me
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> know.
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >> *
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > > >>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> > >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> >
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> --
> > > >>> >>> >> >>>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> *In Liberty,*
> > > >>> >>> >> >>>
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> > > Asperger's
> > > >>> >>> Syndrome
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> > > inter-personal
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic
> > > arenas.
> > > >>> If
> > > >>> >>> >> anyone
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
> > > other
> > > >>> >>> social
> > > >>> >>> >> faux
> > > >>> >>> >> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> > > >>> >>> >> >>>
> > > >>> >>> >> >> --
> > > >>> >>> >> >
> > > >>> >>> >> > *In Liberty,*
> > > >>> >>> >> >
> > > >>> >>> >> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> > Asperger's
> > > >>> >>> Syndrome
> > > >>> >>> >> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> > > inter-personal
> > > >>> >>> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
> > > If
> > > >>> >>> anyone
> > > >>> >>> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
> > other
> > > >>> social
> > > >>> >>> >> faux
> > > >>> >>> >> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> > > >>> >>> >> >
> > > >>> >>> >> > --
> > > >>> >>> >>
> > > >>> >>> >> *In Liberty,*
> > > >>> >>> >>
> > > >>> >>> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> > > >>> Syndrome
> > > >>> >>> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > > >>> >>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
> > > If
> > > >>> >>> anyone
> > > >>> >>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> > > >>> social
> > > >>> >>> faux
> > > >>> >>> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> > > >>> >>> >>
> > > >>> >>> >
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > >
> > > Just delegates or delegates and alternates?
> > > --
> > > Rich Bowen
> > > LNC Region 8 Alternate
> > > NJ/NY/CT/RI/MA/VT/NH/ME
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>

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