[Lnc-business] Can we put out a poll to the delegates who voted for an in person convention

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

Mr. Phillips, apologies for being curt.  But you hit the nail on the head.
It is too late.  I wanted this yesterday with a meeting today.  That
opportunity is over.  While I love more data the reality is it will just be
used to try to justify what is now impossible and thus a drain on very
limited time and energy.  Absent the state of Florida canceling us - which
can still happen - we are committed.  It is now time to suck it up and deal
with it.  Yesterday things were different.  I did not know the chair would
refuse to vote early, and I asked for a poll to start yesterday.  It is
over.  We need to move on.

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *



On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:05 AM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:

> Oh for the love of god can we just do the poll.
>
> Poll the delegates from Memorial day weekend.
>
> Ask them very simply:
> Would you vote to have an in person convention in Orlando July 8th thru
> 12th.
> Yes, No, Nota.
>
> At this point it wont matter with the screwing around going on as we won't
> be able to meet in time to cancel even if they all vote to do so, but lets
> do the damn poll so we at least know how bad it is.
>
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell 217-412-5973
>
> On Jul 1, 2020 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Are you weighting the state chairs according to the number of delegates?
> If not, it is not representative.  Colorado has significantly more
> delegates than other states.  You cannot use the state chairs as
> representing delegates without that calculation.
>
> It is too late.  I asked for this poll early yesterday.  It is absolutely
> unethical at this point to turn people's lives upside down when we have a
> location.
>
> I have not agreed with a lot of the criticisms of this body - there has
> been shady business going on and we were dealt a bad hand.  If we cancel
> when we have a location over the will of delegates at convention, this
> body
> has no business being anywhere near leadership.  It is wrong, and it is
> robbing people who spent money and a violation of the principle of the
> non-initiation of force.
>
>
>
>
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:15 AM Richard Longstreth <
> richard.longstreth at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm not good with wording polls but if someone is, I'd like to get this
> > started sooner rather than later. I find wisdom in hearing from the
> > delegates on this. My state chairs are, almost entirely, saying to not
> > approve a third venue. Absent a poll of delegates, I intend to represent
> > their opinion and trust that they are representing their delegates to
> me. I
> > cannot poll everyone in the region myself at this point, let alone have
> > contact info for all of the delegates for speedy communication.
> >
> > Richard Longstreth
> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > 931.538.9300
> >
> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 20:51 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> As far as wording that is not my call.  But bad wording will kill the
> >> entire usefulness.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > The poll should be only those credentialed at the Sunday session of
> the
> >> > first part of the convention.
> >> >
> >> > They made a decision.
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:54 PM Daniel Fishman <dan.fishman at lphq.org>
>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Would you like me to poll all current members?  All delegates?
> >> >>
> >> >> What would you like the wording to be?
> >> >> ---
> >> >> Daniel Fishman
> >> >> Executive Director
> >> >> The Libertarian Party
> >> >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> >> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Mr Hagan apologies if I was hasty though I do think in this rapidly
> >> >>> changing situation we must be checking our emails hourly.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> My proposal is to poll only the delegates we are seeking to
> overturn.
> >> >>> Those credentialed at the session that voted for the in person
> >> >>> convention.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:19 PM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
> <
> >> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > I am supportive.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> >> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
> WY)
> >> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >> >>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >> >>> > 931.538.9300
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 15:37 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
> >> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > > You shouldn't interpret silence as disapproval. Some people
> aren't
> >> >>> > > constantly checking their e-mails, could be working, or still
> >> >>> processing
> >> >>> > > this news thrown at us last night and have questions.
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > I don't have a problem with taking a poll, unless if we're
> going
> >> to
> >> >>> > > waste time arguing over the wording or who gets polled (e.g.
> all
> >> >>> > > delegates, delegates & alternates credentialed in May, etc.).
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > ---
> >> >>> > > Tim Hagan
> >> >>> > > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > On 2020-06-30 14:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> >>> > > > A poll could have already gone out from the national office.
> >> Yet
> >> >>> > > > except
> >> >>> > > > for you - silence on this post.
> >> >>> > > >
> >> >>> > > > That is wrong.  Are we scared of what they might say?  I
> >> actually
> >> >>> think
> >> >>> > > > they might have changed their mind, but I need to know that
> for
> >> >>> sure.
> >> >>> > > >
> >> >>> > > >
> >> >>> > > >
> >> >>> > > > *  In Liberty,*
> >> >>> > > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >> >>> Syndrome
> >> >>> > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> inter-personal
> >> >>> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
> If
> >> >>> anyone
> >> >>> > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> >> >>> social
> >> >>> > > > faux
> >> >>> > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let
> me
> >> >>> know.
> >> >>> > > > *
> >> >>> > > >
> >> >>> > > >
> >> >>> > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM <john.phillips at lp.org>
> wrote:
> >> >>> > > >
> >> >>> > > >> Agreed.  I am informally polling my region, but that is just
> >> one
> >> >>> > > >> region.
> >> >>> > > >>
> >> >>> > > >> John Phillips
> >> >>> > > >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> >> >>> > > >> Cell 217-412-5973
> >> >>> > > >>
> >> >>> > > >> On Jun 30, 2020 1:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> >> >>> > > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> >>> > > >>
> >> >>> > > >> Here is something we all need to take seriously.  The
> delegates
> >> >>> voted
> >> >>> > > >> for
> >> >>> > > >> an in person convention.  I don't really think we have the
> >> right
> >> >>> to
> >> >>> > > >> cancel
> >> >>> > > >> if we have a location which we do.  It is usurping their
> >> decision.
> >> >>> > > >> But
> >> >>> > > >> they may think differently now.  Can we poll them so we know
> >> what
> >> >>> we
> >> >>> > > >> should
> >> >>> > > >> do?  This isn't about us.  It is about particular state
> chairs
> >> in
> >> >>> > > >> particular regions.  It is about the delegate that gave us
> >> >>> specific
> >> >>> > > >> marching orders.  Can we find out what THEY want?
> >> >>> > > >>
> >> >>> > > >> *  In Liberty,*
> >> >>> > > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> Asperger's
> >> >>> Syndrome
> >> >>> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> inter-personal
> >> >>> > > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
> >> If
> >> >>> > > >> anyone
> >> >>> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
> other
> >> >>> social
> >> >>> > > >> faux
> >> >>> > > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let
> me
> >> >>> know.
> >> >>> > > >> *
> >> >>> > > >>
> >> >>> > > >>
> >> >>> > > >>
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> --
> >> >>>
> >> >>> *In Liberty,*
> >> >>>
> >> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> Syndrome
> >> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >> anyone
> >> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> social
> >> faux
> >> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >> >>>
> >> >> --
> >> >
> >> > *In Liberty,*
> >> >
> >> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> Syndrome
> >> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> anyone
> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >> faux
> >> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >> >
> >> > --
> >>
> >> *In Liberty,*
> >>
> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> faux
> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>
> >
>
>
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