[Lnc-business] Rules for teleconferences

[Joshua Katz]

I agree with the Doctor on several points.  I tend to think it is
unreasonable (although I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong) to expect the
reading of the minutes of a long session at that very session.  We could
approve minutes by slight modifications (if any are needed) to our existing
rules for automatic approval of minutes.

I don't see the value of going in a circle.  The problem with the 'raise
your hand' feature, though, is that we are anticipating the possibility (at
least, I am) of some people wanting to call in via a phone.  There have to
be means of seeking the floor, rather than being offered the floor
constantly.  I'm also unclear on how to privilege motions if we're forced
to go in a circle.  What about motions that require timeliness, and would
be out of order once the person seeking to make it is reached?

I think roll call voting should be as it is currently - required for (to my
understanding) original main motions.  I think a chair can judge whether a
voice vote has passed on a phone call as easily as at the convention (much
more easily actually) - and division can always be moved if there is an
issue.

The 'hear and/or see' seems very problematic to me, as the Doctor pointed
out.  Should someone be allowed to vote if they can't hear, simply because
they can see?

I still say the first question to be addressed is what the purpose of these
meetings is.  If we intend to actually replace a full meeting with a
teleconference, we're looking at a very long phone call.  On the other
hand, I think a better purpose is for items that we think require the
formality of a full meeting with rules of debate, but are too immediate to
wait for the next meeting - or even for urgent items that the LNC does not
wish to allow the EC to handle.  This requires a shorter notice period.

Joshua Katz



Joshua A. Katz

Region 8 (Region of Badassdom) Alternate
Libertarian National Committee

Chair, Libertarian Party of Connecticut

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Scott L. <scott73 at earthlink.net> wrote:

>    "New Jersey LP (via Nicholas Sarwark)
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> Rules for conduct of any meeting of the Bylaws Committee by teleconference
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> 1.    All participants must have access to the necessary equipment. In
> particular, if a member does not have access to videoconference technology,
> he must be allowed to participate by teleconference.
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> 2.    All participants must be able to simultaneously hear and/or see in
> order to participate. A member participating in such a meeting is deemed to
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> If number one is true, I am not sure what number 2 means.  If you are not
> going to require participants to have a video camera at their home, are we
> still going to require them to be able to receive images from others, or
> will we let them participate via telephone only?
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> The wording above permits participants to be able to see, but not hear.
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> “5.   The Chair shall announce each agenda item in order. Each member
> shall be called on (by predetermined order) to speak. The member may speak
> in debate, offer a motion, or pass. After each member has had an
> opportunity to speak the first time, the Chair shall call upon each member
> to speak further in debate, offer a motion, or pass. By unanimous consent,
> a third opportunity to speak may be offered. All votes shall be by roll
> call. Seconding a motion shall not require recognition, and shall not
> deprive a member of the opportunity to speak in the prescribed order.”
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> Now it gets interesting.  Do we really want to waste all that time by
> calling on every LNC member, just so they can pass?
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> I assume most videoconferencing systems have a "raise your hand" feature.
>  I would think that would be the best way to handle when a member wants to
> be recognized.
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> And you can see that all votes shall be by roll call.  Heh, heh, heh.  So
> we will need to have roll-call votes just to extend time by 15 minutes vs.
> 10 minutes?  Yes - I understand some votes could be done by unanimous
> consent, but that provision should probably be amended.
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> “7.   At the conclusion of the meeting, the Secretary shall read the
> minutes, and the last item of business prior to adjournment shall be
> approval of those minutes."
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> Do we REALLY want to approve the minutes of a 12 hour LNC Session without
> getting a chance to read them first?
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> Remember - Minutes of LNC Sessions can easily run 15 pages or more.
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> Is there anyone on this board who really thinks that we are going to be
> able to have 12 hour LNC Sessions once every 3 months or so?
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> ****IF****  we really think we need to do this, we are likely going to
> change our schedule to having a 4 hour LNC Session once every month, or
> something like that.  If we do that, are we going to require every Regional
> Rep to come up with a monthly report for their Region?  Will we require
> staff come up with staff reports every month?
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> Be careful what you wish for, because you might get it.
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>    Scott Lieberman
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