[Lnc-business] Judicial Committee
Wes Benedict
wes.benedict at lp.org
Thu Jun 2 10:39:41 EDT 2016
Staff can get pads printed in advance next time. They are reasonably
inexpensive and may come to about 10 cents per sheet. We can make them
look nice and official. A project for next year (working with the
Secretary). Can do different colors for each election or at least put a
different title at the top.
Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
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On 6/2/2016 9:41 AM, Joshua Katz wrote:
> I see, didn't think of that. I agree, but wouldn't have purchased them
> prior to this convention, since we didn't know if we'd adopt the bylaw
> change to require balloted voting within delegations. For the future,
> I think that would be good.
>
> Joshua A. Katz
> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Joshua, having pads of paper that are title with voting etc and
> pre-printed are an expense but are WAY more professional. Yes
> things would still need to be handwritten in but having a tablet
> with some pre-printing on it lends gravitas and feels personal to
> the delegate.
>
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative
> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
> Wyoming, Washington)
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 7:32 AM, Joshua Katz
> <planning4liberty at gmail.com <mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> I favor approval voting for at-large and JC. It is open to
> strategic voting - as are all methods of voting. Delegation
> were provided with index cards; if a state decided to use torn
> up scraps of paper, that is their decision. You might say an
> index card isn't professional either - well, it's more
> professional, and it just isn't practical to print up in the
> neighborhood of 1,000 ballots immediately after nominations.
>
> I agree that it would be far superior to use electronic voting.
>
> Joshua A. Katz
> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> It wouldn't be the first time I was unusual, and this
> could be in part because I am exposed to a lot of Frank
> Atwood and his advocacy of approval voting.
>
> The "don't understand it" is our fault. I think the "too
> easy to game it" falls under the don't understand it part
> and the fact that most of the delegates were voting on
> torn up scraps of paper that don't inspire confidence in
> the system. Whether it would make a difference or not is
> another matter, but perception of professionalism goes a
> long way. I really do not understand how we don't have
> something better than that.... but that is another
> conversation.
>
> The ridiculous time to tabulate is true. And needs to be
> improved through modernizing. I know this has been
> soundly rejected by delegates before, but geez louise we
> are dinosaurs in this.
>
> Yes, an issue for Bylaws to consider, and I don't envy
> them selling any of it to the delegates.
>
> But yes, I do defend approval voting and ranked choice.
> Both of them are monstrously difficult to do manually, and
> trivially easy if we were modernized.
>
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative
> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
> Wyoming, Washington)
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 7:11 AM, Ken Moellman
> <ken.moellman at lpky.org <mailto:ken.moellman at lpky.org>> wrote:
>
> Everyone I've talked to about Approval Voting since
> the convention has been quite negative on it. You're
> literally the first person to defend it, Caryn. :)
>
> Somewhere between the "don't understand it" and "too
> easy to game it", and compounded with "ridiculous time
> to tabulate", Approval Voting is not a good methodology.
>
> I'd personally recommend using IRV for all
> non-presidential/vp votes. One round, and we can get
> on with it. And the committee gets filled in
> appropriately. LPKY does this and it works like a champ.
>
> It's an issue for the Bylaws Committee to consider,
> anyway.
>
> ---
>
> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
> LPKY Judicial Committee
>
> On 2016-06-02 08:28, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
>> Ken, I believe the voting technology and means we use
>> are the problem, not approval voting itself. I think
>> most members would be positively riotous against the
>> removal of approval voting, but the means by which we
>> do it can certainly be improved.
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative
>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana,
>> Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:12 AM, Ken Moellman
>> <ken.moellman at lpky.org
>> <mailto:ken.moellman at lpky.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Alicia,
>>
>> I understand that you have a ridiculous amount of
>> work to do. As long as it's on the agenda to get
>> published, I think people will be fine.
>>
>> I'd like to explore a secure mechanism to
>> increase voting efficiency - both the voting and
>> the tallying.
>>
>> I'd also like to see the death of Approval
>> Voting. Blech.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> Region 3 Alternate Representative
>> Ballot Access Committee
>>
>> On 2016-06-02 01:45, Alicia Mattson wrote:
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> Our standard operating procedure is that
>> alternates freely comment on our email list.
>>
>> I know your requests are well intended, but
>> please keep in mind that my post-convention
>> to-do list is extremely long. It includes,
>> but is not limited to:
>>
>> * producing minutes for 2 LNC meetings
>> * producing minutes for an EC meeting
>> * generating nomination certificates for
>> SOS offices to place our presidential
>> ticket on the ballot in states where we
>> already have ballot access
>> * updating the bylaws
>> * updating the platform
>> * generating various data sets and articles
>> for LPNews, media inquiries, etc.
>> * producing minutes for the convention
>> which conducted quite a bit of business
>> while I was tabulating election results,
>> so I have my records, an assistant's
>> records, and a pile of slips of paper
>> that were submitted that contain some of
>> those motions, and a bunch of other ideas
>> for motions that were never made
>> * my email inbox is full of lots of
>> requests that I won't get to immediately
>>
>> When the convention minutes are produced, it
>> will contain state-by-state breakdowns of
>> each of the elections. That info will be
>> shared, but it just cannot be at the top of
>> my priority list at the moment.
>>
>> -Alicia
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 7:47 PM, Ken Moellman
>> <ken.moellman at lpky.org
>> <mailto:ken.moellman at lpky.org>> wrote:
>>
>> I have had 2 of the 4 chairs in Region 3
>> ask about seeing state totals and
>> possibly even having the state ballots
>> scanned in for Treasurer, At-Large, and
>> Judicial Committee, since these were
>> skipped over due to time constraints and
>> thus there was no ability to contest any
>> results.
>>
>> I don't know if it's proper for me to
>> speak on this list as an Alternate. I
>> reached out to Brett but he was busy
>> today. And since the issue came up, I
>> thought I'd mention it, since it's topical.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Ken Moellman
>> Libertarian Party of Kentucky
>> ken.moellman at lpky.org
>> <mailto:ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>> http://www.lpky.org/
>> (859) OK-BE-LPK
>> (859) 652-3575 <tel:%28859%29%20652-3575>
>>
>> On 2016-06-01 21:24, Sam Goldstein wrote:
>>
>> Many members are asking about the JC
>> results. Can someone please
>> post them here for distribution?
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Sam Goldstein
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> Member at Large
>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>> 317-850-0726 <tel:317-850-0726> Phone
>> 317-582-1773 <tel:317-582-1773> Fax
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>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann
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> Wyoming, Washington)
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