[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2016-01: Riot Fest

Mon Jun 27 07:43:43 EDT 2016

I vote Yes on Email ballot 2016-01.

LIve Free,

Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
Member at Large
8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
Indianapolis IN 46260
317-850-0726 Phone
317-582-1773 Fax

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 12:34 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Alicia,
>
> Thank you for the interaction.  I am continuing to cc the LPCO state chair
> for input they may wish me to present.
>
> ==When you say the event has a "national focus", what do you mean?  If all
> you mean is that people come from other states to the event, then we could
> say the same of Mardi Gras or Burning Man.  People come from all over for a
> big party.==
>
> I do mean it in the same way as yes, you could say for those events.  They
> are big deals and people come from all over to be there.  This one just
> happens to be in Colorado and is comprised of the youth who will be
> disappointed that Bernie Sanders is not going to be the Democratic nominee
> and are hungry for change.
>
> ==That's an interesting sales pitch, but I just don't agree that it's our
> duty to do it, and CO is subsidizing it for us, and it's only fair that we
> contribute.==
>
> I do not believe that CO would say it is a duty either, but I do think
> that their position is that it would be ... perhaps fair isn't the right
> word... but reasonable and supportive and cognizant of the extra-Colorado
> exposure to do so.
>
> ==I don't see that as being in the bonus category.  I would just expect
> it if we helped fund it.  Contact info is the main thing of value that
> could likely be a return on our investment.  I just don't know how much of
> that we'll get.==
>
> It is an unknown, but at this critical juncture with the Perfect Storm
> that is brewing, I don't think you can underestimate the potential value,
> and it is a reasonable investment.  I agree that National should expect to
> get the contact information, but miscommunications and differing
> expectations between National and the affiliates happen all the time.  This
> makes it clear that there would be no such misunderstanding or difference
> here.
>
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative
> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
>
> *PS: remember, please sign your emails... the sender information is often
> unclear when this goes to the public list, and the members can have a hard
> time keeping track of who said what, and they deserve to know.*
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 10:25 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> When you say the event has a "national focus", what do you mean?  If all
>> you mean is that people come from other states to the event, then we could
>> say the same of Mardi Gras or Burning Man.  People come from all over for a
>> big party.
>>
>> CAH>> CO essentially committed  to fund an event with a national focus
>> thus subsidizing a national event, and were willing to do it, if it became
>> necessary but is asking the LNC to contribute in fairness.
>>
>> That's an interesting sales pitch, but I just don't agree that it's our
>> duty to do it, and CO is subsidizing it for us, and it's only fair that we
>> contribute.
>>
>> CAH>>And they are offering to share all contact information received
>> with the national party.
>>
>> I don't see that as being in the bonus category.  I would just expect it
>> if we helped fund it.  Contact info is the main thing of value that could
>> likely be a return on our investment.  I just don't know how much of that
>> we'll get.
>>
>> -Alicia
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Alicia,
>>>
>>> ==Isn't asking for extra beyond the $200-300 essentially a subsidy for
>>> the state party to back-fund their other efforts?==
>>>
>>> That is certainly one reasonable way to view it, but I think there is an
>>> equally reasonable way to look at it, and this is CO's view as I understand
>>> it.  CO essentially committed  to fund an event with a national focus thus
>>> subsidizing a national event, and were willing to do it, if it became
>>> necessary but is asking the LNC to contribute in fairness.  That is their
>>> perspective.  And they are offering to share all contact information
>>> received with the national party.
>>>
>>> ==Just because there are political overtones to the event, that doesn't
>>> necessarily mean that the attendees are likely voters.  Maybe they are, but
>>> maybe they're not.  I don't know.==
>>>
>>> I think that makes it just as likely as, say, PrideFest (which most
>>> parties regularly attend) are likely voters--which LPCO did do this year as
>>> well.  This is the Bernie Sanders crowd that we need to reach.  And if they
>>> were not 'likely' voters when they walked in, perhaps seeing another way
>>> other than the Terrible Two, will turn them into likely voters.
>>> Additionally, there is a value itself in getting the "brand" out, and as
>>> mentioned, there is likely to be very youth-directed media there.
>>>
>>> My perspective regarding national and the affiliates is well known and
>>> vocal.  We exist to support them in whatever way possible (just stating my
>>> position, not to argue whether my position is right), and if that is the
>>> case, we have a state party that is aggressively doing outreach and is
>>> willing to staff and support an event that will likely not benefit them as
>>> much in CO itself as others.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Region 1 Representative
>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>> Washington)
>>>
>>> *PS: remember, please sign your emails... the sender information is
>>> often unclear when this goes to the public list, and the members can have a
>>> hard time keeping track of who said what, and they deserve to know.*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I understand the desire from CO to spend less if possible, but the LNC
>>>> also has competing interests for its limited resources.  Cash, sometimes
>>>> more-so than budget, is often the big driver of spending decisions, as
>>>> budget often exceeds cash.  If we don't spend cash on this budget item, we
>>>> have more cash left over for ballot access drive overruns and defending
>>>> challenges.
>>>>
>>>> If CO looked at their budget and decided they'd put in up to $800, then
>>>> I don't think the LNC should be asked to pay more than the difference
>>>> between that and the $1100 total.  Isn't asking for extra beyond the
>>>> $200-300 essentially a subsidy for the state party to back-fund their other
>>>> efforts?
>>>>
>>>> Just because there are political overtones to the event, that doesn't
>>>> necessarily mean that the attendees are likely voters.  Maybe they are, but
>>>> maybe they're not.  I don't know.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, growing the base is always desired, but especially this year, I
>>>> think we'll get the most bang for our buck by targeting likely voters who
>>>> won't vote for Hillary or Trump.  Are those the people at Riot Fest?  I
>>>> don't know.  Are attendees there to talk politics or to party?  I don't
>>>> know.
>>>>
>>>> -Alicia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> First of all I abstain.
>>>>>
>>>>> To answer Alicia's question, this is my understanding.  CO is
>>>>> committed to pay $800 if necessary (that was their maximum) but that would
>>>>> potentially limit further outreach events that they could do in this season
>>>>> in addition to activities to promote the Johnson campaign that may arise.
>>>>> CO is next weekend going to the Western Conservative Summit, a major
>>>>> political event in CO, with a booth cost of $1,000.  CO also just paid to
>>>>> fly in Will Coley to go on outreach visits to prominent CO mosques in order
>>>>> to reach the Muslim community.  CO is aggressive in Outreach and commits
>>>>> quite a bit of limited funds to said activities.  Riot Fest, as an event in
>>>>> CO that draws from all over the country, they were requesting that National
>>>>> assist to an extent that would relieve some of that burden since a good
>>>>> deal of the benefit would not go directly to CO but to the Party writ
>>>>> large.  Further, in order to adequately staff the booth (2 would be a
>>>>> skeleton crew), additional passes would need to be purchased (it is unknown
>>>>> if passes can be transferred at this point as well), and this would free up
>>>>> resources to purchase items to sell (though no approval has been made on
>>>>> that by the LPCO board).  Last year non-profits did get a 10% discount, but
>>>>> that has not been confirmed for this year, but there is the potential that
>>>>> the minimum cost to CO may be $920 (the booth fee is $800 and $200 for the
>>>>> liability insurance).
>>>>>
>>>>> I have copied the LPCO State Chair on this email so he can communicate
>>>>> to me if I have mischaracterized or omitted anything here.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as information on Riot Fest, this is from an earlier email to
>>>>> the LNC on this:
>>>>>
>>>>> Riot Fest is a 3 day music festival that is held in 2 cities on separate
>>>>> dates in September.  This event is extremely popular as people travel from
>>>>> across the county and internationally to attend.  There are five to six
>>>>> stages in all. Vendor tents are placed outside, usually along the perimeter
>>>>> of the fenced in area by the outdoor stages. Attendance is expected to be
>>>>> approximately 40,000 per day, so there are a lot of people walking around
>>>>> from stage to stage. There is ample space to speak to the festival goers at
>>>>> our outside tent. We will be able to carry on conversations with potential
>>>>> voters.  We can also expect national media coverage as MTV, Rolling Stone,
>>>>> Huffington Post amongst others have covered the event in the past.  The
>>>>> target demographic will be the disenchanted Bernie Sanders supporters,
>>>>> Independents and anyone looking for a 3rd party option.  As the event is
>>>>> built around, but not limited to, Punk Rock there are heavy political
>>>>> undertones.  I have also been in contact with Seth Levy from the Gary
>>>>> Johnson campaign who says that this event is “right up his ally” however
>>>>> due to potential security concerns at that point in the campaign can not
>>>>> guarantee his appearance.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> Region 1 Representative
>>>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
>>>>>
>>>>> *PS: remember, please sign your emails... the sender information is often unclear when this goes to the public list, and the members can have a hard time keeping track of who said what, and they deserve to know.*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I vote Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>>> LNC At Large
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 8:38 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by July 6, 2016 at 11:59:59pm
>>>>>> Pacific time.*
>>>>>> *Co-Sponsors:*  Harlos, Goldstein, Hayes, Bittner
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Motion:*  Move that the LNC provide $600.00 to LPCO for the Riot
>>>>>> Fest event.  These funds would come from the budget for Affiliate Support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> Region 1 Representative
>>>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>>>> Washington)
>>>>> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>
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>>> In Liberty,
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Region 1 Representative
>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>> Washington)
>>> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative
> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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