[Lnc-business] [Lnc-votes] LP.org website transition botched (as predicted)
Caryn Ann Harlos
carynannharlos at gmail.com
Thu Oct 27 11:26:57 EDT 2016
I am in the middle of a Federal lawsuit that is getting a ton of media in
CO. People are looking me up to verify my credentials and it is terribly
disturbing to not have my picture. A ton of free LP publicity is being
generated in CO right now.
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
wrote:
> The Radical purge has begun!
>
> Sam
>
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> Member at Large
> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
> Indianapolis IN 46260
> 317-850-0726 Phone
> 317-582-1773 Fax
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And now my picture has been removed. Why? I did not object to the
>> "live" shots, and I rather preferred that picture.
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Sam Goldstein <
>> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Here you go:
>>>
>>> https://www.lp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/20160526_LNC_P
>>> olicy_Manual.pdf
>>>
>>> Is is hiding on the LNC Minutes page.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> Member at Large
>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> To get to the Policy Manual, click on "Meeting Minutes" in the footer.
>>>> It appears on the top of the page, followed by the minutes arranged by year.
>>>>
>>>> I think the "type" of pictures used should either be an individual
>>>> decision (my preference) or be based on the recommendation of an expert in
>>>> PR/design/something. I am none of those things, and so I don't know what
>>>> the most effective sort of picture is. Unless we hear from an expert "all
>>>> pictures should look like X in the context of this site and what you're
>>>> trying to accomplish" I'm going to stick with board discussions about the
>>>> pictures, other than to say people can choose what they want their picture
>>>> to look like (within limits - I don't think my request to have mine look
>>>> like a lion should be respected...although...) is rather pointless.
>>>>
>>>> I look forward to a report at the December meeting where some of these
>>>> matters can be discussed more fully.
>>>>
>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the laugh this morning at your photo descriptions Daniel,
>>>>> lol... :-D
>>>>>
>>>>> But seriously, that's kinda what I *like* about some of the pictures
>>>>> – they help people come across as the diverse individuals we are. I'm not
>>>>> saying none of the shots could be better, and if the LNC members you've
>>>>> mentioned want to select or provide different photos of themselves, of
>>>>> course they should be able to do so. But I'd be disappointed if folks chose
>>>>> to reject individuality in favor of "institutional" type photos that look
>>>>> like they could have been plucked from a corporate annual report.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good catch on noticing that the LNC Policy Manual is missing from the
>>>>> new site, if that is the case. I tried to do a search, but either it isn't
>>>>> loading for me right now, or when you search for results of a term that
>>>>> can't be found, it just displays a blank page rather than a notice saying
>>>>> it couldn't find the term.
>>>>>
>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>>> @StarchildSF
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 27, 2016, at 5:00 AM, lnc-votes at hq.lp.org wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have not looked very hard yet, but even at 5 am central in the
>>>>> morning the website is godawful slow to load. That's not a bitch, consider
>>>>> that informational purposes.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the LNC page. ( https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/ )Many
>>>>> of us paid for head shots. Moving away from that I think is a bad idea.
>>>>> Also, there are a lot of problems with this page from the standpoint of
>>>>> basic human psychology. Most of what I say below is Nov. 9th stuff, but I
>>>>> think correcting the pictures is a bit more pressing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nick's looks real young and innocent. He reminds me of a kindergarten
>>>>> student in that picture. It's his picture but I suggest his pro head shot.
>>>>> I do think Valerie might like this one though but he convinced her to marry
>>>>> him so I think he is past the phase of convincing her he is credible and
>>>>> competent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Arvin's looks surprised like someone just told him he got selected to
>>>>> represent the school in the spelling bee and responded with. "REALLY?
>>>>> ME?!!!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Alicia's picture has her looking away and you can't see her eyes. She
>>>>> looks occupied. Its not as bad as the others but once again... Pro Head
>>>>> shot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill's picture is the one that caught my attention with this
>>>>> initially. Bill looks pissed off. He might have been pissed off. I feel
>>>>> ya Bill...I get pissed off a lot too like I will be in my next email after
>>>>> this one to the list. That said..NOT the picture to use. Pro head shot
>>>>>
>>>>> I think Larry's is a decent one but why not use a Pro head shot if he
>>>>> has one for consistency.
>>>>>
>>>>> That said... WHY? I now find myself involved in the task that this
>>>>> board shouldn't be involved in.. Micromanaging things. But at the same
>>>>> time, I am annoyed that staff time was spent deciding on putting these
>>>>> pictures here when all of the people I mentioned with "bad" pics in my
>>>>> opinion had professional head shots that they PAID for. Also where is
>>>>> Sam's? Never mind..I thought it was a broken link but it just failed to
>>>>> load the first time. Also, I think his picture is less than flattering
>>>>> compared to his head shot. I know there were others that had professional
>>>>> head shots. Now we have a bunch of blank spaces and many of our board
>>>>> members not looking very inspiring of confidence.
>>>>> e
>>>>> Additionally, the form of the page. Get the pictures of the people at
>>>>> the TOP instead of a Wall O Text mapping out all the regions. Put that
>>>>> below the pictures. IF someone needs to figure out their region or is
>>>>> interested they will look. Leave the link to the LNC reflector list at the
>>>>> top. Also, lose the spot where it lists the region of every member below
>>>>> the pictures because almost half the people listed don't have a region.
>>>>> Just list the region number in between the word Region and Representative
>>>>> where that is listed below each person's name.
>>>>> Let's include a place for people's phone numbers that want those
>>>>> included. Mine is 504-258-6176.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also where is the link to the Policy manual these days? I used to be
>>>>> able to find it by going to this page. It doesn't seem to be listed here
>>>>> anymore and doesn't seem to be in with the bylaws.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>> LNC At Large Member Region:At Large
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 05:05 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Kevin. Can you tell me which issues that I mentioned are *not*
>>>>> being addressed, and if/when you plan to address them?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm also wondering about the specific issue I mentioned in my previous
>>>>> message about the LNC page losing information on the way over, because I
>>>>> got the impression from your comment "Staff has copied over existing pages
>>>>> and so nothing is lost or destroyed or anything of this sort", that this
>>>>> should not have occurred. Do you know how it happened in this case, and
>>>>> whether it may have happened in other cases as well?
>>>>>
>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>>> @StarchildSF
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 8:32 AM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Starchild.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your feedback is well-taken and to your point, most of the issues you
>>>>> mention are being addressed.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Kevin
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 4:04 AM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 25, 2016, at 9:05 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, Ken, for the constructive position.
>>>>>> As noted, I would really like to get actual problems with the site
>>>>>> organized so that they can be tackled. Staff has been working on testing;
>>>>>> I have been building the infrastructure.
>>>>>> It is very useful to be informed of visible problems so that we can
>>>>>> address them so any effort you're willing to make in that regard is highly
>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~k
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Kevin,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not sure whether you saw my original post to the LNC list informing
>>>>>> on a number of actual problems with the site, but in case you missed it,
>>>>>> here it is. In light of your explanations in response to Chuck and Caryn,
>>>>>> I'm curious about one page which has been ported over to the new site but
>>>>>> still somehow lost some information along the way, namely the LNC page (
>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/) which no longer
>>>>>> lists any phone numbers or other contact info beyond email addresses. I
>>>>>> would like my phone number [(415) 625-FREE] and twitter handle
>>>>>> (@StarchildSF) added to that page. (Ideally I think every LNC member's
>>>>>> listing should include a phone number at which they can be contacted.)
>>>>>> Thanks, and please let me know if you have any questions about anything
>>>>>> else I wrote below.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>>>> @StarchildSF
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/25/2016 12:53 PM, Starchild wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yesterday, I'm told, the launch of the new and improved LP.org website
>>>>>>> took place. And on the whole, at a quick look, I'd say it *is* an
>>>>>>> improvement. Both appearance-wise and organizationally, I like the new
>>>>>>> site. I wouldn't call the difference earth-shattering, but my initial
>>>>>>> impression is generally positive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are however a number of issues that have come to my attention
>>>>>>> which could use fixing, some more serious than others:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> • While the site looks good on the web, it looks terrible on my
>>>>>>> phone! The "Latest News" boxes show up as long, narrow, unreadable columns
>>>>>>> of type with a couple letters on each line. Considering how many people
>>>>>>> access websites on mobile devices, fixing this should be a high priority.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> • I don't see either the "Party of Principle" or "Minimum
>>>>>>> Government, Maximum Freedom" slogans shown anywhere (a search for key terms
>>>>>>> doesn't turn them up). Nor do I see the Nolan Chart except buried in a
>>>>>>> link. Each of these ought to be listed prominently, imho. The brief
>>>>>>> introduction statement when you click on "Libertarian Party" at the top of
>>>>>>> the main page is rather weak ("The Libertarian Party (LP) is your
>>>>>>> representative in American politics. We are the only political organization
>>>>>>> which respects you as a unique and responsible individual.")
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> • The more detailed description of the party has a conservative
>>>>>>> leaning. Under "The Libertarian Option" (at
>>>>>>> http://libparty.zocalodesign.com/about/ , a URL that like that of
>>>>>>> many pages should also be fixed so that it doesn't include the web design
>>>>>>> company's website), it reads:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Consider voting Libertarian or joining the Libertarian Party because…
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - We seek to substantially reduce the size and intrusiveness of
>>>>>>> government and cut and eliminate taxes at every opportunity.
>>>>>>> - We believe that peaceful, honest people should be able to
>>>>>>> offer their goods and services to willing consumers without inappropriate
>>>>>>> interference from government.
>>>>>>> - We believe that peaceful, honest people should decide for
>>>>>>> themselves how to live their lives, without fear of criminal or civil
>>>>>>> penalties.
>>>>>>> - We believe that government’s only responsibility, if any,
>>>>>>> should be protecting people from force and fraud.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The first two points above appeal more to conservatives or people on
>>>>>>> the right (economic freedoms), while the second two points are more neutral
>>>>>>> in terms of left/right appeal. There is no balancing appeal to people on
>>>>>>> the left by explicitly mentioning things like a non-interventionist foreign
>>>>>>> policy or civil liberties such as ending Prohibition and reining in police
>>>>>>> abuse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> • The URL for the candidate page has changed (hat tip to Thomas
>>>>>>> Knapp), and entering the former URL (http://www.lp.org/2016-libert
>>>>>>> arian-party-candidates) apparently now results in a page error
>>>>>>> rather than connecting people to the new page (
>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/2016-candidates/).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> • If the information about how to subscribe to the LNC email list as
>>>>>>> a non-LNC member got ported over, I cannot find it. I would suggest listing
>>>>>>> this both on the LNC leadership page, and on the LNC meeting archives page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> • The LNC page only lists email addresses. Previously at least a
>>>>>>> couple LNC members' listings included phone number and/or other info such
>>>>>>> as Twitter address, but now those listings are gone and only email
>>>>>>> addresses are listed. I would personally like my phone number and Twitter
>>>>>>> handle listed, and encourage my colleagues to request their phone numbers
>>>>>>> likewise be listed, so that our members can readily reach us directly as
>>>>>>> well as in writing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> • Where email addresses are listed on the website (for candidates,
>>>>>>> LNC members, staff, college chapter reps., etc.), they are spelled out.
>>>>>>> That's unfortunately asking to get us spammed by web-crawling bots that
>>>>>>> harvest email addresses. I recommend changing this so that addresses are
>>>>>>> listed in a less literal format such as Nick.Sarwark[at]LP.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> • The page https://www.lp.org/_2016/ mentions Johnson and Weld
>>>>>>> being our presidential and VP candidates, but the photo next to the text is
>>>>>>> *not* a photo of Johnson and Weld, but of Johnson and a woman I'm
>>>>>>> guessing is his girlfriend (which is fine, but should be labeled as such so
>>>>>>> as not to give visitors the impression that the images reflect the text).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> • Our bylaws are referred to in the info at the bottom of each page
>>>>>>> as "LNC Bylaws" rather than "Libertarian Party Bylaws"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> • A number of people (staff, LNC members) are missing photos. To
>>>>>>> whom can we send photos of these individuals, if we have them, as well as
>>>>>>> our contact info updates for the LNC page?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I realize the site has just been updated; hopefully some of the
>>>>>>> above issues are being addressed even as I type this message. And on the
>>>>>>> bright side, the new "candidate pledges" section listing candidates
>>>>>>> who've signed each pledge is a nice addition, along with the listing by
>>>>>>> name and state of life members, candidates, and elected officials, not to
>>>>>>> mention the attractive photos from the convention scattered throughout the
>>>>>>> site. I like that the membership and donation forms are single-page, and
>>>>>>> that the FAQ page addresses arguments against participating in the system
>>>>>>> at all. And I love the "Help Us Grow" page (
>>>>>>> http://libparty.zocalodesign.com/how-to-help/) and the addition of
>>>>>>> a "worldwide" link in addition to the state affiliates and campus
>>>>>>> organizations! But I would suggest that link directly to a list of the
>>>>>>> libertarian parties around the world, with that page then containing a link
>>>>>>> to and information about the International Alliance of Libertarian Parties.
>>>>>>> Right now it immediately leads offsite to the IALP page, which is a little
>>>>>>> confusing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's my feedback at this time. If staff would acknowledge receipt
>>>>>>> of this message and keep us appraised of the progress in addressing the
>>>>>>> above-mentioned issues, that would be great.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>>>>> @StarchildSF
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been involved in lots of various projects throughout my IT
>>>>>>> career. This website project seems to fit the stereotypical IT project.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I personally don't like the layout of the website, but I'm a grumpy
>>>>>>> "old" man who still likes 2006-era website layouts with drop-down menus and
>>>>>>> whatnot. The design we need, however, is one targeted at millenials. We
>>>>>>> know this because of the Johnson campaign's polling. That's the future of
>>>>>>> this party. I believe that this website accomplishes that task. I'd be
>>>>>>> interested to see how it looks on a mobile (I'm also still using a
>>>>>>> Blackberry. Don't ask.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kevin - Thank you for continuing onward with this project, even
>>>>>>> though you are no longer on the LNC. As one who's been embroiled in
>>>>>>> volunteer projects that have run over time and over budget, I know how much
>>>>>>> of a PITA it is to put the time in and also take the inevitable hits. I'm
>>>>>>> sure you're all too aware, as well. But I wanted to make sure you knew that
>>>>>>> at least I knew and recognized what's up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chuck, and others with concerns - Let's make a list of the "what's
>>>>>>> wrong", try to prioritize that list based on importance and easy
>>>>>>> of resolution, and try to work through them. Any website changeover will
>>>>>>> take time to fix. I know there are some "broken links" where people
>>>>>>> externally linked things like LP.org/join ... I have a cool
>>>>>>> graphic from The Advocates that we used on LPKY.org that has the
>>>>>>> same problem. These can ad should be resolved.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As the new IT committee is formed, I'm sure we'll be tasked
>>>>>>> with assessing these issues and implementing fixes. I ask that everyone
>>>>>>> please be patient. We have 2 weeks until the election is over. If there's
>>>>>>> anything election-related that's not working, then we definitely need to
>>>>>>> address that immediately. Otherwise, let's get through Nov 8th and then we
>>>>>>> can push forward with this and other projects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2016-10-25 23:38, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you Kevin. I will cool my jets on that issue for a few days
>>>>>>> and check back in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No problem, Caryn.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wouldn't even think days. I would think A day. Staff was tasked
>>>>>>>> with taking each page from the old Drupal system and importing it into the
>>>>>>>> new one. As far as I know ALL pages were copied over. They were copied
>>>>>>>> into 1 of 6 (or so) different page templates that were created to serve
>>>>>>>> different formats of data. So I'm certain we have everything. Even if it
>>>>>>>> hadn't been copied over, we still have it and it would just need TO BE
>>>>>>>> copied over, but I don't believe this is the case. I believe in those
>>>>>>>> cases the links structure may have changed. We have been updating these so
>>>>>>>> that all incoming links to the old structure point to the appropriate new
>>>>>>>> structure and send out PERMANENT REDIRECT notifications to Google and such
>>>>>>>> (so things are updated).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~k
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you Kevin.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is why I was asking staff about them. If we are talking a
>>>>>>>>> matter of days for that content - that is reasonable. If moreso, not so
>>>>>>>>> much.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I genuinely am not trying to avoid those issues. I know content
>>>>>>>>>> is there. What I'm trying to convey is that from my point of view, if
>>>>>>>>>> those documents are "opaque" for another 12 hours, I'm okay with that. I
>>>>>>>>>> realize you might not be, but this goes back to my volunteering work. I
>>>>>>>>>> have to prioritize work that I am personally responsible for.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So I will happily weigh in with staff and get links to them. I
>>>>>>>>>> can even check the admin pages and see what the current URL is provided
>>>>>>>>>> they have been copied and not linked.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But I really need to know if anything is actually not
>>>>>>>>>> functioning. This is what my current workload is.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I apologize if any of that sounds dismissive. It's not my
>>>>>>>>>> intent, but I can't do specific projects for you and/or Chuck or the LNC or
>>>>>>>>>> whomever else right now as I need to make sure the site is fully
>>>>>>>>>> functional. If/when it IS fully functional (which it very well may already
>>>>>>>>>> be), then we can address any missing pieces.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ~k
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Kevin for all your work.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I can't though not desire answers on the minutes archives and
>>>>>>>>>>> LNC business list not being there. That is essential for members and
>>>>>>>>>>> cannot be optional.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can staff answer when those can be restored? This is an
>>>>>>>>>>> acceptable situation of opacity.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've always gotten along with you just fine as you're very
>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In this case, I respectfully disagree that it's useful to
>>>>>>>>>>>> deliver a 6-page rant citing the "I told you so" lines when the decision
>>>>>>>>>>>> has been done, executed, and is live. Further, I have been in this
>>>>>>>>>>>> business for 20 years now. We had roughly 2.5 hours of outages this
>>>>>>>>>>>> morning between roughly 7:45AM and 9:15AM EST. This was only because of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the unknown. Staff has spent a lot of time testing this software. It was
>>>>>>>>>>>> rolled over twice already and rolled back just to ensure we COULD roll it
>>>>>>>>>>>> back if there was a major problem. The point being that we transitioned an
>>>>>>>>>>>> entire infrastructure from 6 services to ONE, the monthly cost savings
>>>>>>>>>>>> should be about $500 once everything is in place, and best I can tell
>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing is broken - there are just complaints that some things are missing
>>>>>>>>>>>> (which they're definitely not, but I'll concede that perhaps staff hasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> finished adding links - I honestly don't know right now).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are no major problems that anyone has reported save for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the overloading this morning. The page content was always intended to /
>>>>>>>>>>>> has been / and IS preserved. If a link isn't immediately visible, then
>>>>>>>>>>>> staff can correct that if appropriate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> IF there are broken links, namely as a URL may have changed and
>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to be forwarded now, I would really, genuinely like to know so I can
>>>>>>>>>>>> fix those problems. I offered that to Chuck. I offered it to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That said, we can start however necessary. I have ostensibly
>>>>>>>>>>>> worked on this for 3.5 straight weeks. That is not because of the website
>>>>>>>>>>>> itself, but rather the years of garbaged up infrastructure. We would have
>>>>>>>>>>>> rolled the site out 6 weeks ago if not for all of that. My point being
>>>>>>>>>>>> that I've been voluntarily taking on FAR more work than was entailed in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> website redesign itself because our infrastructure couldn't handle the
>>>>>>>>>>>> modern codebase (it is roughly 8 years out of spec).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would ask that you leave whatever issues you have with
>>>>>>>>>>>> content alone for the time being. I'm not saying they won't be addressed,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm saying that it's not a primary concern. The primary concern is
>>>>>>>>>>>> ensuring that the site is running so it can serve up any content. IF there
>>>>>>>>>>>> is a problem with something not loading, we need to know that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Staff has copied over existing pages and so nothing is lost or
>>>>>>>>>>>> destroyed or anything of this sort.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I need to convey though, that I am not on the clock for the
>>>>>>>>>>>> people on this thread. I have been, and am continuing to volunteer a
>>>>>>>>>>>> tremendous amount of time to ensure this is completed smoothly. I am happy
>>>>>>>>>>>> to try and fix things that are broken. I'm very uninterested in listening
>>>>>>>>>>>> to Mr. Molton rant on about his discontent with the structure. It's done.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That ship sailed in February.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So that's where I'm at. By all means, please inform me of
>>>>>>>>>>>> broken pieces so we can look at and correct anything ASAP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ~k
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:01 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was writing as a member to a busy elected to SERVE
>>>>>>>>>>>>> members. That means sometimes we will hear things we don't want to and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to respond to very upset complaints. No matter what anyone says -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> high-handed responses are not appropriate IMHO.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't agree with Chuck's desire to see heads roll. I said
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so respectfully,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can we start again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck opened with whoever made the decision was a MORON and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be FIRED.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think my response was in line.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, I remain open to seeing links broken. I'm sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some still exist. We launched the site this morning. Staff has spent weeks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> testing the site and fixing links and such. I'm all for fixing dead links,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but 6 pages of complaints without any information is not helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, I'm not a member of the LNC. I'm a volunteer only. So I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't really owe anyone anything. I've delightfully put in a couple hundred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hours so far. That's the best I'm willing to do at this point given such a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> response.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin, that was an inappropriate response to concerns of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> member IMHO- his concerns are valid and shouldn't be dismissed as "oh you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarians, you are a minority - we can safely ignore you."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where are the links to the LNC Business list, the old blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> articles, and the past minutes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can we have the discussion without sarcasm and without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> putting down Libertarians as inconsequential?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Kevin Ludlow <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Chuck,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the constructive feedback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll delightfully take credit/responsibility for whatever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and all actions you've written about. Please pardon Nick, Robert, Wes, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody else in your crosshairs. I'm sure they'll be relieved to be spared.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not going to read that entire document you've sent as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've spent the last 3 weeks trying to fix the party's infrastructure for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the website TO go live. It was finished two days ago, it was launched last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> night. That was my call.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What would be useful right now would be if you could point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out the broken links so that we can assign permanent redirects to them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any page content that existed STILL exists. This has been made clear over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and over again. It's possible that some page links have not been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forwarded, but I've been monitoring logs on all 4 servers all day and have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not seen many 404s. The downtime this morning wasn't actually from an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outage, but rather ME under-predicting the load our servers would take.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is admittedly because I didn't have any data to go on because -- well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- we've not really ever kept any before. I made the best prediction I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could; I way under-estimated. The servers were scaled up and unless you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seeing something different, the site has been running fine all day since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 9:45am CST. It was running before that just fine too, but the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> morning surge in traffic overwhelmed it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So anyway, if you'd like to submit broken links, we'd love
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to set up additional forwards. Overall though, I'm pretty happy with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change. I'm happy we've done it before the election - even if it wound up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being delayed from our proposed launch of September 29th.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The old site was very, very bad. I know you're a tech guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the way. I know words resonate with you and not colors and images and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feelings and emotions. But you comprise a very, very, VERY small portion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the American electorate and the new site was designed to appeal to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people who are visually oriented, not interested in reading walls of text,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and might have the attention span of a few seconds at best (eg: the vast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority of people). It was designed for people who might not care about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Libertarian Party - in hopes that something grabs their attention and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they begin to care. We don't need to "win over" existing Libertarians --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or at least one would think, but it's honestly hard to tell these days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, it was decided. It's done. You can hate it. But I'd still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love your help in knowing where links are broken instead of mostly ignoring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another wall of text. That would help ensure that it's in good shape.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you'd like to vent further, feel free to call me at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968 to spare the group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Chuck Moulton <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chuck at moulton.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LNC members,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of the problems I warned about have in fact come to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. It is Cassandra's Curse: always right but never believed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the exchange from IPR quoted below (in the P.S.) for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context and institutional memory. I'll quote and discuss some of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> highlights here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #1: TRANSITIONS CAN BE BOTCHED, LEADING TO
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOWNTIME — AT THE WORST TIME IN THE ELECTION CYCLE FOR SUCH DOWNTIME: THE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This buggy transition was implemented 13 days before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential election. That is the 13th worst day in a 4 year cycle to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unveil a new a new website. There were/are 1,448 better days to change to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a new website in a 4 year cycle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever MORON decided to switch to a new website today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of after the election should be immediately FIRED. Do not pass go,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not collect $200. FIRED. I can't imagine a stupider, more incompetent,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strategically insane decision than pulling the plug on a working website
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and trying out a new, buggy website immediately before a presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> election. It is INSANE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like staff, but if Wes Benedict made this idiotic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision, FIRE HIM IMMEDIATELY.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like much of the LNC, but if Nick Sarwark made this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiotic decision, SUSPEND HIM FOR CAUSE IMMEDIATELY (I'll gladly recuse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself as a member of the Judicial Committee if he appeals).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Kevin Ludlow made this idiotic decision, RESCIND THE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FEBRUARY 2016 MOTION GIVING LUDLOW UNILATERAL AUTHORITY OVER THE LP'S MOST
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMPORTANT ASSET IMMEDIATELY.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything we were told about a professional transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that does not suffer from the pitfalls I highlighted was a lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It takes significantly more time for lp.org pages to load
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than before. The site has been down on & off all day long. For a while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were directed to another domain whenever they went to a LP page:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libparty.zocalodesign.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #2: A LOT OF CONTENT IS REMOVED. LACK OF THAT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CONTENT MAKES IT MUCH HARDER TO ENERGIZE PROSPECTS; GET DONATIONS,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VOLUNTEERS, AND CANDIDATES; AND TRAIN LIBERTARIANS ON BEST PRACTICES.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact (as predicted), a lot of content has been removed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from lp.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, as chair of the Judicial Committee I wonder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what happened to the webpage listing bylaws mandated committee members?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where is the link to the LP Business list?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where are the LNC minute archives before 2015?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go on and on, but I cover this point more broadly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my next unheeded warning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was repeatedly assured that content would not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed, except that the front page would be made less cluttered. That was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #3: BOTH CONTENT REMOVAL AND TRANSITIONS TO A NEW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SYSTEM MAY LEAD SOME PAGES TO BE REMOVED OR MOVED, BREAKING LINKS TO PARTS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OF THE SITE FROM ALL AROUND THE INTERNET AND MAKING US LOOK UNPROFESSIONAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WITH 404 ERRORS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The number of 404 errors is shocking! Activists have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out there for months / years promoting our website by linking to it --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially during this presidential election. Most of those links are now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just try clicking on many of these links:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site=&source=hp&q=site%3Alp.org&oq=site%3Alp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been told the solution is just to report each broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link. That is ridiculous! It is completely unprofessional for a website
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition to be reactive instead of proactive -- especially given that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links probably number in the thousands. We were assured that this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be a professional transition, but that was a lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #4: A NEW SYSTEM REQUIRES RETRAINING STAFF ON
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROCESSES — TIME THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DEVOTED TO OTHER THINGS. EVEN AFTER
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RETRAINING THERE WILL BE A LEARNING CURVE... EXTRA TIME FOR WEBSITE RELATED
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TASKS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DEVOTED TO OTHER THINGS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact (as predicted), staff has mentioned that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website transition has taken staff time that could have been devoted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other matters in this busy election season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wes Benedict wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -business_hq.lp.org/2016/006577.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope we can get those things below implemented early in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however, and get back to LPedia and many other projects,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're trying to roll out the new LP.org website.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #5: INTERNAL SCRIPTS THAT CURRENTLY AUTOMATICALLY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SHOOT DATA TO STATE AFFILIATES SUCH AS THE VOLUNTEER FORM, THE WANT TO BE A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CANDIDATE FORM, THE INFO FORM, ETC. MAY STOP WORKING, WHICH WOULD DEPRIVE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> STATES OF A VALUABLE SOURCE OF LEADS DURING A TRANSITION PERIOD.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do these all still work? I don't know. I can't currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> test this as I am not a state chair right now. I hope someone is testing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this stuff. Based on all of the other monumental errors highlighted above,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I certainly don't trust whoever oversaw the website transition to have done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You all made a monumental error when you voted on this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website. Please do whatever you can to minimize the damage and triage the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website that is being butchered before your very eyes. I hope the lost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content can be restored and the bugs can be fixed ASAP. Even if everything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is fixed within the next week though, the timing is still horrendous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. See below for context on this botched website
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition and eerily accurate prophesies from people with a clue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -business_hq.lp.org/2016/004164.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Our website is a joke. I mean a real, horrible,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laughable, "maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's 1996 and the www portion of the internet has just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unleashed" joke. It's got ridiculous internal ads all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over it. It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terribly organized. It uses bad images. It has an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated font, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great font colors, and antiquated font-spacing and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sizing. It barely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functions on mobile devices. It's full of information it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have. It conveys that we're not a serious organization.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -business_hq.lp.org/2016/004283.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We want to do all of these things. So I'm asking you,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just stop what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're doing for 30 seconds, reflect what could happen if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually tried to accomplish this one little task. What
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the WORST
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that could happen? We fail? We're in a very slightly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worse financial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position than we already are? But now consider what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the BEST that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could happen? Maybe this tailspin of a cash hole we're in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stops.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAYBE people would see that the LNC is doing something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAYBE people would have their morale boosted just a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little bit and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be more inclined to donate. MAYBE we could use it as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leverage requesting donations from people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1321872
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's the worst that can happen? It's not $20,000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasted. That is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty stupid thinking there... accounting rather than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economics. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worst that can happen is the site is much worse than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before. A lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of content is removed. Lack of that content makes it much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harder to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energize prospects; get donations, volunteers, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates; and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> train libertarians on best practices. A new system
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requires
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retraining staff on processes — time that coupd have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devoted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other things. Even after retraining there will be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learning curve...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extra time for website related tasks that could have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devoted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other things. Will conversion of new visitors go up with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flashy styled website? Maybe, but it could also go down,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potential cost. This is especially likely when the focus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> design/style rather than the technical features under the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hood. When
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content is removed it may piss off current donors and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> activists, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may reduce their donations and activism. Both content
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removal and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transitions to a new system may lead some pages to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved, breaking links to parts of the site from all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet and making us look unprofessional with 404
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> errors. New
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sites often start out with a few bugs and errors which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can take a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while to track down... the site may look less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> professional in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interim. Transitions can be botched, leading to downtime
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> — at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worst time in the election cycle for such downtime: the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> campaign. Internal scripts that currently automatically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shoot data to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state affiliates such as the volunteer form, the want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidate form, the info form, etc. may stop working,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deprive states of a valuable source of leads during a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> period. That's just what I could come up with off the top
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of my head...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are probably a lot more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1321907
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've launched many large scale sites just in the past
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> year and not a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> single one of those sites had any of the problems you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to. They DID – when they were on our development and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> testing servers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> – but not when they went into production. That's how web
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> launches
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are done professionally. A thorough maintenance schedule
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be implemented and the website would be designed for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintainability in the first place. ...also in accordance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practices.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322226
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Furthermore, there is absolutely NO intention to remove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content from the website. This crowd has an astounding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spin half-truths and bake them into something entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will clarify specifically what is meant by moving them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The FRONT PAGE of a website (for a non-profit, business,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other organization) is NOT to leave people with walls of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to create a fast and positive impression and to get a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> action.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having dozens and dozens of options is incredibly poor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> design,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoroughly proven to be ineffective, and generally an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> archaic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website idea. The current website is not responsive; it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well (and not at all in some cases) on mobile and tablet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322257
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great! Somehow in all your emails to the LNC (I read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every LNC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business list email) you never mentioned anything about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition process. All you talk about is design/style.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can manage a transition process well, that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonderful. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly hasn't been done in the past. The transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from FoxPro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Raiser's Edge was a disaster... it resulted in states
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not receiving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working dumps for a year and a lot of records being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screwed up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (e.g., deceased coming back to life, etc.). During the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition a decade ago, the LNC meeting minutes archive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Success 97 and Success 99 seminars were removed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the IT Committee discussion and report (pp. 15-16,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pp. 51-59):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20061111.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there will be no transition hiccups, that's wonderful
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still didn't address all the scripts on the website right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the technical considerations Shane discussed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm concerned about giving management of the transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> job who only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talks about design/style, wants to remove content
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (supposedly...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though I see you have now clarified that), and never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentions a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition plan to minimize problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's great that you're finally talking about a transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan! It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not my fault it's the first I've heard of it though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are lots of people in the LP (myself included) who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transitions mismanaged and are worried of a repeat of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disasters. We're not saying the sky is going to fall
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We're saying the sky has fallen in the past, we have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence of this, and you don't seem as on top of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process as we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would hope to prevent similar problems. (You also seem to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutional memory to be aware of these past issues.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter of you not communicating your transition plan and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not a matter of us being overly pessimistic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322261
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry you've had people half-ass these efforts in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely cannot say I'm surprised. I focus on style
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external world, style IS the most important thing. This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in no way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> means I neglect the engine, but in 20 years of delivering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nearly 100% of clients will respond positively to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken system
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that looks amazing over a badass functioning system that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks ugly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just psychology. Again, it doesn't mean it doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322267
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've found libertarians have a different psychology than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world. The tech saavy folks will feel talked down to or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignored if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you only talk about style, ignoring tech under the hood.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideological folks will feel defensive if you malign
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content. I fall
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in both categories, as do others on this thread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just something to keep in mind for the future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stewart Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322926
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So they're creating a new website committee and giving it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authority
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to screw everything up without having to go back to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LNC to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approval on which one of their pals they give the money
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322930
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, they created a new committee with unlimited power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website. Then they spent the whole time debating an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $10,000.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322938
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am hugely concerned about giving any one person carte
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blanche over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the website.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>
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>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
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Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
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