There are problems with the images on the new website. All new images
appear and disappear intermittently.
Kevin Ludlow sounds to me like he is close to solving the problem, but I
can't make any promises on this.
I apologize for the trouble.
Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
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Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
On 10/27/2016 11:26 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> I am in the middle of a Federal lawsuit that is getting a ton of media
> in CO. People are looking me up to verify my credentials and it is
> terribly disturbing to not have my picture. A ton of free LP
> publicity is being generated in CO right now.
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
> - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org <mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Sam Goldstein
> <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com <mailto:goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> The Radical purge has begun!
>
> Sam
>
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> Member at Large
> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
> Indianapolis IN 46260
> 317-850-0726 <tel:317-850-0726> Phone
> 317-582-1773 <tel:317-582-1773> Fax
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> And now my picture has been removed. Why? I did not object
> to the "live" shots, and I rather preferred that picture.
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
> Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> <mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Sam Goldstein
> <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com
> <mailto:goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Here you go:
>
> https://www.lp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/20160526_LNC_Policy_Manual.pdf
> <https://www.lp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/20160526_LNC_Policy_Manual.pdf>
>
> Is is hiding on the LNC Minutes page.
>
>
>
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> Member at Large
> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
> Indianapolis IN 46260
> 317-850-0726 <tel:317-850-0726> Phone
> 317-582-1773 <tel:317-582-1773> Fax
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Joshua Katz
> <planning4liberty at gmail.com
> <mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> To get to the Policy Manual, click on "Meeting
> Minutes" in the footer. It appears on the top of the
> page, followed by the minutes arranged by year.
>
> I think the "type" of pictures used should either be
> an individual decision (my preference) or be based on
> the recommendation of an expert in
> PR/design/something. I am none of those things, and
> so I don't know what the most effective sort of
> picture is. Unless we hear from an expert "all
> pictures should look like X in the context of this
> site and what you're trying to accomplish" I'm going
> to stick with board discussions about the pictures,
> other than to say people can choose what they want
> their picture to look like (within limits - I don't
> think my request to have mine look like a lion should
> be respected...although...) is rather pointless.
>
> I look forward to a report at the December meeting
> where some of these matters can be discussed more fully.
>
> Joshua A. Katz
> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Starchild
> <sfdreamer at earthlink.net
> <mailto:sfdreamer at earthlink.net>> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the laugh this morning at your photo
> descriptions Daniel, lol... :-D
>
> But seriously, that's kinda what I /like/ about
> some of the pictures – they help people come
> across as the diverse individuals we are. I'm not
> saying none of the shots could be better, and if
> the LNC members you've mentioned want to select or
> provide different photos of themselves, of course
> they should be able to do so. But I'd be
> disappointed if folks chose to reject
> individuality in favor of "institutional" type
> photos that look like they could have been plucked
> from a corporate annual report.
>
> Good catch on noticing that the LNC Policy Manual
> is missing from the new site, if that is the case.
> I tried to do a search, but either it isn't
> loading for me right now, or when you search for
> results of a term that can't be found, it just
> displays a blank page rather than a notice saying
> it couldn't find the term.
>
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National
> Committee
> (415) 625-FREE
> @StarchildSF
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2016, at 5:00 AM, lnc-votes at hq.lp.org
> <mailto:lnc-votes at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> I have not looked very hard yet, but even at 5 am
>> central in the morning the website is godawful
>> slow to load. That's not a bitch, consider that
>> informational purposes.
>>
>> On the LNC page. (
>> https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/
>> <https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/> )Many
>> of us paid for head shots. Moving away from that
>> I think is a bad idea. Also, there are a lot of
>> problems with this page from the standpoint of
>> basic human psychology. Most of what I say below
>> is Nov. 9th stuff, but I think correcting the
>> pictures is a bit more pressing.
>>
>> Nick's looks real young and innocent. He reminds
>> me of a kindergarten student in that picture.
>> It's his picture but I suggest his pro head shot.
>> I do think Valerie might like this one though but
>> he convinced her to marry him so I think he is
>> past the phase of convincing her he is credible
>> and competent.
>>
>> Arvin's looks surprised like someone just told
>> him he got selected to represent the school in
>> the spelling bee and responded with. "REALLY? ME?!!!"
>>
>> Alicia's picture has her looking away and you
>> can't see her eyes. She looks occupied. Its not
>> as bad as the others but once again... Pro Head shot.
>>
>> Bill's picture is the one that caught my
>> attention with this initially. Bill looks pissed
>> off. He might have been pissed off. I feel ya
>> Bill...I get pissed off a lot too like I will be
>> in my next email after this one to the list. That
>> said..NOT the picture to use. Pro head shot
>>
>> I think Larry's is a decent one but why not use a
>> Pro head shot if he has one for consistency.
>>
>> That said... WHY? I now find myself involved in
>> the task that this board shouldn't be involved
>> in.. Micromanaging things. But at the same time,
>> I am annoyed that staff time was spent deciding
>> on putting these pictures here when all of the
>> people I mentioned with "bad" pics in my opinion
>> had professional head shots that they PAID for.
>> Also where is Sam's? Never mind..I thought it was
>> a broken link but it just failed to load the
>> first time. Also, I think his picture is less
>> than flattering compared to his head shot. I
>> know there were others that had professional head
>> shots. Now we have a bunch of blank spaces and
>> many of our board members not looking very
>> inspiring of confidence.
>> e
>> Additionally, the form of the page. Get the
>> pictures of the people at the TOP instead of a
>> Wall O Text mapping out all the regions. Put
>> that below the pictures. IF someone needs to
>> figure out their region or is interested they
>> will look. Leave the link to the LNC reflector
>> list at the top. Also, lose the spot where it
>> lists the region of every member below the
>> pictures because almost half the people listed
>> don't have a region. Just list the region number
>> in between the word Region and Representative
>> where that is listed below each person's name.
>> Let's include a place for people's phone numbers
>> that want those included. Mine is 504-258-6176
>> <tel:504-258-6176>.
>>
>> Also where is the link to the Policy manual these
>> days? I used to be able to find it by going to
>> this page. It doesn't seem to be listed here
>> anymore and doesn't seem to be in with the bylaws.
>>
>>
>> Daniel Hayes
>> LNC At Large Member Region:At Large
>>
>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 05:05 PM, Starchild
>> <sfdreamer at earthlink.net
>> <mailto:sfdreamer at earthlink.net>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Kevin. Can you tell me which issues that
>>> I mentioned are /not/ being addressed, and
>>> if/when you plan to address them?
>>>
>>> I'm also wondering about the specific issue I
>>> mentioned in my previous message about the LNC
>>> page losing information on the way over, because
>>> I got the impression from your comment "Staff
>>> has copied over existing pages and so nothing is
>>> lost or destroyed or anything of this sort",
>>> that this should not have occurred. Do you know
>>> how it happened in this case, and whether it may
>>> have happened in other cases as well?
>>>
>>> Love & Liberty,
>>> ((( starchild )))
>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National
>>> Committee
>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>> @StarchildSF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 8:32 AM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>> Thanks, Starchild.
>>>>
>>>> Your feedback is well-taken and to your point,
>>>> most of the issues you mention are being addressed.
>>>>
>>>> -Kevin
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 4:04 AM, Starchild
>>>> <sfdreamer at earthlink.net
>>>> <mailto:sfdreamer at earthlink.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 25, 2016, at 9:05 PM, Kevin Ludlow
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Ken, for the constructive position.
>>>>> As noted, I would really like to get
>>>>> actual problems with the site organized so
>>>>> that they can be tackled. Staff has been
>>>>> working on testing; I have been building
>>>>> the infrastructure.
>>>>> It is very useful to be informed of
>>>>> visible problems so that we can address
>>>>> them so any effort you're willing to make
>>>>> in that regard is highly appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~k
>>>>
>>>> Hi Kevin,
>>>>
>>>> Not sure whether you saw my original post
>>>> to the LNC list informing on a number of
>>>> actual problems with the site, but in case
>>>> you missed it, here it is. In light of your
>>>> explanations in response to Chuck and
>>>> Caryn, I'm curious about one page which has
>>>> been ported over to the new site but still
>>>> somehow lost some information along the
>>>> way, namely the LNC
>>>> page (https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/
>>>> <https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/>) which
>>>> no longer lists any phone numbers or other
>>>> contact info beyond email addresses. I
>>>> would like my phone number [(415) 625-FREE]
>>>> and twitter handle (@StarchildSF) added to
>>>> that page. (Ideally I think every LNC
>>>> member's listing should include a phone
>>>> number at which they can be contacted.)
>>>> Thanks, and please let me know if you have
>>>> any questions about anything else I wrote
>>>> below.
>>>>
>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian
>>>> National Committee
>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>> @StarchildSF
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/25/2016 12:53 PM, Starchild wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yesterday, I'm told, the launch of
>>>>>> the new and improved LP.org
>>>>>> <http://LP.org/> website took place.
>>>>>> And on the whole, at a quick look,
>>>>>> I'd say it /is/ an improvement. Both
>>>>>> appearance-wise and organizationally,
>>>>>> I like the new site. I wouldn't call
>>>>>> the difference earth-shattering, but
>>>>>> my initial impression is generally
>>>>>> positive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are however a number of issues
>>>>>> that have come to my attention which
>>>>>> could use fixing, some more serious
>>>>>> than others:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> • While the site looks good on the
>>>>>> web, it looks terrible on my phone!
>>>>>> The "Latest News" boxes show up as
>>>>>> long, narrow, unreadable columns of
>>>>>> type with a couple letters on each
>>>>>> line. Considering how many people
>>>>>> access websites on mobile devices,
>>>>>> fixing this should be a high priority.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> • I don't see either the "Party of
>>>>>> Principle" or "Minimum Government,
>>>>>> Maximum Freedom" slogans shown
>>>>>> anywhere (a search for key terms
>>>>>> doesn't turn them up). Nor do I see
>>>>>> the Nolan Chart except buried in a
>>>>>> link. Each of these ought to be
>>>>>> listed prominently, imho. The brief
>>>>>> introduction statement when you click
>>>>>> on "Libertarian Party" at the top of
>>>>>> the main page is rather weak ("The
>>>>>> Libertarian Party (LP) is your
>>>>>> representative in American
>>>>>> politics. We are the only political
>>>>>> organization which respects you as a
>>>>>> unique and responsible individual.")
>>>>>>
>>>>>> • The more detailed description of
>>>>>> the party has a conservative leaning.
>>>>>> Under "The Libertarian Option" (at
>>>>>> http://libparty.zocalodesign.com/about/
>>>>>> <http://libparty.zocalodesign.com/about/> ,
>>>>>> a URL that like that of many pages
>>>>>> should also be fixed so that it
>>>>>> doesn't include the web design
>>>>>> company's website), it reads:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Consider voting Libertarian or
>>>>>>> joining the Libertarian Party because…
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * We seek to substantially reduce
>>>>>>> the size and intrusiveness of
>>>>>>> government and cut and
>>>>>>> eliminate taxes at every
>>>>>>> opportunity.
>>>>>>> * We believe that peaceful, honest
>>>>>>> people should be able to offer
>>>>>>> their goods and services to
>>>>>>> willing consumers without
>>>>>>> inappropriate interference from
>>>>>>> government.
>>>>>>> * We believe that peaceful, honest
>>>>>>> people should decide for
>>>>>>> themselves how to live their
>>>>>>> lives, without fear of criminal
>>>>>>> or civil penalties.
>>>>>>> * We believe that government’s
>>>>>>> only responsibility, if any,
>>>>>>> should be protecting people from
>>>>>>> force and fraud.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The first two points above appeal
>>>>>> more to conservatives or people on
>>>>>> the right (economic freedoms), while
>>>>>> the second two points are more
>>>>>> neutral in terms of left/right
>>>>>> appeal. There is no balancing appeal
>>>>>> to people on the left by explicitly
>>>>>> mentioning things like a
>>>>>> non-interventionist foreign policy or
>>>>>> civil liberties such as ending
>>>>>> Prohibition and reining in police abuse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> • The URL for the candidate page has
>>>>>> changed (hat tip to Thomas Knapp),
>>>>>> and entering the former URL
>>>>>> (http://www.lp.org/2016-libertarian-party-candidates
>>>>>> <http://www.lp.org/2016-libertarian-party-candidates>)
>>>>>> apparently now results in a page
>>>>>> error rather than connecting people
>>>>>> to the new page
>>>>>> (https://www.lp.org/2016-candidates/
>>>>>> <https://www.lp.org/2016-candidates/>).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> • If the information about how to
>>>>>> subscribe to the LNC email list as a
>>>>>> non-LNC member got ported over, I
>>>>>> cannot find it. I would suggest
>>>>>> listing this both on the LNC
>>>>>> leadership page, and on the LNC
>>>>>> meeting archives page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> • The LNC page only lists email
>>>>>> addresses. Previously at least a
>>>>>> couple LNC members' listings included
>>>>>> phone number and/or other info such
>>>>>> as Twitter address, but now those
>>>>>> listings are gone and only email
>>>>>> addresses are listed. I would
>>>>>> personally like my phone number and
>>>>>> Twitter handle listed, and encourage
>>>>>> my colleagues to request their phone
>>>>>> numbers likewise be listed, so that
>>>>>> our members can readily reach us
>>>>>> directly as well as in writing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> • Where email addresses are listed on
>>>>>> the website (for candidates, LNC
>>>>>> members, staff, college chapter
>>>>>> reps., etc.), they are spelled out.
>>>>>> That's unfortunately asking to get us
>>>>>> spammed by web-crawling bots that
>>>>>> harvest email addresses. I recommend
>>>>>> changing this so that addresses are
>>>>>> listed in a less literal format such
>>>>>> as Nick.Sarwark[at]LP.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> • The page
>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/_2016/ mentions
>>>>>> Johnson and Weld being our
>>>>>> presidential and VP candidates, but
>>>>>> the photo next to the text is /not/ a
>>>>>> photo of Johnson and Weld, but of
>>>>>> Johnson and a woman I'm guessing is
>>>>>> his girlfriend (which is fine, but
>>>>>> should be labeled as such so as not
>>>>>> to give visitors the impression that
>>>>>> the images reflect the text).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> • Our bylaws are referred to in the
>>>>>> info at the bottom of each page as
>>>>>> "LNC Bylaws" rather than "Libertarian
>>>>>> Party Bylaws"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> • A number of people (staff, LNC
>>>>>> members) are missing photos. To whom
>>>>>> can we send photos of these
>>>>>> individuals, if we have them, as well
>>>>>> as our contact info updates for the
>>>>>> LNC page?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I realize the site has just been
>>>>>> updated; hopefully some of the above
>>>>>> issues are being addressed even as I
>>>>>> type this message. And on the bright
>>>>>> side, the new "candidate pledges"
>>>>>> section listing candidates who've
>>>>>> signed each pledge is a nice
>>>>>> addition, along with the listing by
>>>>>> name and state of life members,
>>>>>> candidates, and elected officials,
>>>>>> not to mention the attractive photos
>>>>>> from the convention scattered
>>>>>> throughout the site. I like that the
>>>>>> membership and donation forms are
>>>>>> single-page, and that the FAQ page
>>>>>> addresses arguments against
>>>>>> participating in the system at all.
>>>>>> And I love the "Help Us Grow" page
>>>>>> (http://libparty.zocalodesign.com/how-to-help/
>>>>>> <http://libparty.zocalodesign.com/how-to-help/>)
>>>>>> and the addition of a "worldwide"
>>>>>> link in addition to the state
>>>>>> affiliates and campus organizations!
>>>>>> But I would suggest that link
>>>>>> directly to a list of the libertarian
>>>>>> parties around the world, with that
>>>>>> page then containing a link to and
>>>>>> information about the International
>>>>>> Alliance of Libertarian Parties.
>>>>>> Right now it immediately leads
>>>>>> offsite to the IALP page, which is a
>>>>>> little confusing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's my feedback at this time. If
>>>>>> staff would acknowledge receipt of
>>>>>> this message and keep us appraised of
>>>>>> the progress in addressing the
>>>>>> above-mentioned issues, that would be
>>>>>> great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian
>>>>>> National Committee
>>>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>>>> @StarchildSF
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Ken
>>>>> Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org
>>>>> <mailto:ken.moellman at lpky.org>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been involved in lots of various
>>>>> projects throughout my IT career. This
>>>>> website project seems to fit the
>>>>> stereotypical IT project.
>>>>> I personally don't like the layout of
>>>>> the website, but I'm a grumpy "old"
>>>>> man who still likes 2006-era website
>>>>> layouts with drop-down menus and
>>>>> whatnot. The design we need, however,
>>>>> is one targeted at millenials. We know
>>>>> this because of the Johnson campaign's
>>>>> polling. That's the future of this
>>>>> party. I believe that this website
>>>>> accomplishes that task. I'd be
>>>>> interested to see how it looks on a
>>>>> mobile (I'm also still using a
>>>>> Blackberry. Don't ask.)
>>>>> Kevin - Thank you for continuing
>>>>> onward with this project, even though
>>>>> you are no longer on the LNC. As one
>>>>> who's been embroiled in volunteer
>>>>> projects that have run over time and
>>>>> over budget, I know how much of a PITA
>>>>> it is to put the time in and also take
>>>>> the inevitable hits. I'm sure you're
>>>>> all too aware, as well. But I wanted
>>>>> to make sure you knew that at least I
>>>>> knew and recognized what's up.
>>>>> Chuck, and others with concerns -
>>>>> Let's make a list of the "what's
>>>>> wrong", try to prioritize that list
>>>>> based on importance and easy
>>>>> of resolution, and try to work through
>>>>> them. Any website changeover will
>>>>> take time to fix. I know there are
>>>>> some "broken links" where people
>>>>> externally linked things like
>>>>> LP.org/join <http://LP.org/join> ...
>>>>> I have a cool graphic from The
>>>>> Advocates that we used on LPKY.org
>>>>> <http://LPKY.org/> that has the same
>>>>> problem. These can ad should be resolved.
>>>>> As the new IT committee is formed, I'm
>>>>> sure we'll be tasked with assessing
>>>>> these issues and implementing fixes. I
>>>>> ask that everyone please be patient.
>>>>> We have 2 weeks until the election is
>>>>> over. If there's anything
>>>>> election-related that's not working,
>>>>> then we definitely need to address
>>>>> that immediately. Otherwise, let's get
>>>>> through Nov 8th and then we can push
>>>>> forward with this and other projects.
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-10-25 23:38, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Kevin. I will cool my jets
>>>>>> on that issue for a few days and
>>>>>> check back in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian
>>>>>> National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>>>>>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana,
>>>>>> Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian
>>>>>> Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator,
>>>>>> Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin
>>>>>> Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:ludlow at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No problem, Caryn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wouldn't even think days. I
>>>>>> would think A day. Staff was
>>>>>> tasked with taking each page from
>>>>>> the old Drupal system and
>>>>>> importing it into the new one.
>>>>>> As far as I know ALL pages were
>>>>>> copied over. They were copied
>>>>>> into 1 of 6 (or so) different
>>>>>> page templates that were created
>>>>>> to serve different formats of
>>>>>> data. So I'm certain we have
>>>>>> everything. Even if it hadn't
>>>>>> been copied over, we still have
>>>>>> it and it would just need TO BE
>>>>>> copied over, but I don't believe
>>>>>> this is the case. I believe in
>>>>>> those cases the links structure
>>>>>> may have changed. We have been
>>>>>> updating these so that all
>>>>>> incoming links to the old
>>>>>> structure point to the
>>>>>> appropriate new structure and
>>>>>> send out PERMANENT REDIRECT
>>>>>> notifications to Google and such
>>>>>> (so things are updated).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~k
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:28 PM,
>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Kevin.
>>>>>> That is why I was asking
>>>>>> staff about them. If we are
>>>>>> talking a matter of days for
>>>>>> that content - that is
>>>>>> reasonable. If moreso, not so
>>>>>> much.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative,
>>>>>> Libertarian National
>>>>>> Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>>>>>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas,
>>>>>> Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>>>>> Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications Director,
>>>>>> Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator,
>>>>>> Libertarian Party Radical
>>>>>> Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016,
>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>> <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I genuinely am not trying
>>>>>> to avoid those issues. I
>>>>>> know content is there.
>>>>>> What I'm trying to convey
>>>>>> is that from my point of
>>>>>> view, if those documents
>>>>>> are "opaque" for another
>>>>>> 12 hours, I'm okay with
>>>>>> that. I realize you
>>>>>> might not be, but this
>>>>>> goes back to my
>>>>>> volunteering work. I
>>>>>> have to prioritize work
>>>>>> that I am personally
>>>>>> responsible for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I will happily weigh
>>>>>> in with staff and get
>>>>>> links to them. I can
>>>>>> even check the admin
>>>>>> pages and see what the
>>>>>> current URL is provided
>>>>>> they have been copied and
>>>>>> not linked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I really need to know
>>>>>> if anything is actually
>>>>>> not functioning. This is
>>>>>> what my current workload is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I apologize if any of
>>>>>> that sounds dismissive.
>>>>>> It's not my intent, but I
>>>>>> can't do specific
>>>>>> projects for you and/or
>>>>>> Chuck or the LNC or
>>>>>> whomever else right now
>>>>>> as I need to make sure
>>>>>> the site is fully
>>>>>> functional. If/when it IS
>>>>>> fully functional (which
>>>>>> it very well may already
>>>>>> be), then we can address
>>>>>> any missing pieces.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~k
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at
>>>>>> 10:15 PM, Caryn Ann
>>>>>> Harlos
>>>>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Kevin for
>>>>>> all your work.
>>>>>> I can't though not
>>>>>> desire answers on the
>>>>>> minutes archives and
>>>>>> LNC business list not
>>>>>> being there. That is
>>>>>> essential for members
>>>>>> and cannot be optional.
>>>>>> Can staff answer when
>>>>>> those can be
>>>>>> restored? This is an
>>>>>> acceptable situation
>>>>>> of opacity.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1
>>>>>> Representative,
>>>>>> Libertarian National
>>>>>> Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado,
>>>>>> Hawaii, Kansas,
>>>>>> Montana, Utah,
>>>>>> Wyoming, Washington)
>>>>>> - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications
>>>>>> Director, Libertarian
>>>>>> Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>> Colorado State
>>>>>> Coordinator,
>>>>>> Libertarian Party
>>>>>> Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, October
>>>>>> 25, 2016, Kevin
>>>>>> Ludlow
>>>>>> <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've always
>>>>>> gotten along with
>>>>>> you just fine as
>>>>>> you're very
>>>>>> reasonable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In this case, I
>>>>>> respectfully
>>>>>> disagree that
>>>>>> it's useful to
>>>>>> deliver a 6-page
>>>>>> rant citing the
>>>>>> "I told you so"
>>>>>> lines when the
>>>>>> decision has been
>>>>>> done, executed,
>>>>>> and is live.
>>>>>> Further, I have
>>>>>> been in this
>>>>>> business for 20
>>>>>> years now. We
>>>>>> had roughly 2.5
>>>>>> hours of outages
>>>>>> this morning
>>>>>> between roughly
>>>>>> 7:45AM and 9:15AM
>>>>>> EST. This was
>>>>>> only because of
>>>>>> the unknown.
>>>>>> Staff has spent a
>>>>>> lot of time
>>>>>> testing this
>>>>>> software. It was
>>>>>> rolled over twice
>>>>>> already and
>>>>>> rolled back just
>>>>>> to ensure we
>>>>>> COULD roll it
>>>>>> back if there was
>>>>>> a major problem.
>>>>>> The point being
>>>>>> that we
>>>>>> transitioned an
>>>>>> entire
>>>>>> infrastructure
>>>>>> from 6 services
>>>>>> to ONE, the
>>>>>> monthly cost
>>>>>> savings should be
>>>>>> about $500 once
>>>>>> everything is in
>>>>>> place, and best I
>>>>>> can tell nothing
>>>>>> is broken - there
>>>>>> are just
>>>>>> complaints that
>>>>>> some things are
>>>>>> missing (which
>>>>>> they're
>>>>>> definitely not,
>>>>>> but I'll concede
>>>>>> that perhaps
>>>>>> staff hasn't
>>>>>> finished adding
>>>>>> links - I
>>>>>> honestly don't
>>>>>> know right now).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are no
>>>>>> major problems
>>>>>> that anyone has
>>>>>> reported save for
>>>>>> the overloading
>>>>>> this morning. The
>>>>>> page content was
>>>>>> always intended
>>>>>> to / has been /
>>>>>> and IS preserved.
>>>>>> If a link isn't
>>>>>> immediately
>>>>>> visible, then
>>>>>> staff can correct
>>>>>> that if appropriate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IF there are
>>>>>> broken links,
>>>>>> namely as a URL
>>>>>> may have changed
>>>>>> and needs to be
>>>>>> forwarded now, I
>>>>>> would really,
>>>>>> genuinely like to
>>>>>> know so I can fix
>>>>>> those problems.
>>>>>> I offered that to
>>>>>> Chuck. I offered
>>>>>> it to you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, we can
>>>>>> start however
>>>>>> necessary. I
>>>>>> have ostensibly
>>>>>> worked on this
>>>>>> for 3.5 straight
>>>>>> weeks. That is
>>>>>> not because of
>>>>>> the website
>>>>>> itself, but
>>>>>> rather the years
>>>>>> of garbaged up
>>>>>> infrastructure.
>>>>>> We would have
>>>>>> rolled the site
>>>>>> out 6 weeks ago
>>>>>> if not for all of
>>>>>> that. My point
>>>>>> being that I've
>>>>>> been voluntarily
>>>>>> taking on FAR
>>>>>> more work than
>>>>>> was entailed in
>>>>>> the website
>>>>>> redesign itself
>>>>>> because our
>>>>>> infrastructure
>>>>>> couldn't handle
>>>>>> the modern
>>>>>> codebase (it is
>>>>>> roughly 8 years
>>>>>> out of spec).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would ask that
>>>>>> you leave
>>>>>> whatever issues
>>>>>> you have with
>>>>>> content alone for
>>>>>> the time being.
>>>>>> I'm not saying
>>>>>> they won't be
>>>>>> addressed, I'm
>>>>>> saying that it's
>>>>>> not a primary
>>>>>> concern. The
>>>>>> primary concern
>>>>>> is ensuring that
>>>>>> the site is
>>>>>> running so it can
>>>>>> serve up any
>>>>>> content. IF there
>>>>>> is a problem with
>>>>>> something not
>>>>>> loading, we need
>>>>>> to know that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Staff has copied
>>>>>> over existing
>>>>>> pages and so
>>>>>> nothing is lost
>>>>>> or destroyed or
>>>>>> anything of this
>>>>>> sort.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I need to convey
>>>>>> though, that I am
>>>>>> not on the clock
>>>>>> for the people on
>>>>>> this thread. I
>>>>>> have been, and am
>>>>>> continuing to
>>>>>> volunteer a
>>>>>> tremendous amount
>>>>>> of time to ensure
>>>>>> this is completed
>>>>>> smoothly. I am
>>>>>> happy to try and
>>>>>> fix things that
>>>>>> are broken. I'm
>>>>>> very uninterested
>>>>>> in listening to
>>>>>> Mr. Molton rant
>>>>>> on about his
>>>>>> discontent with
>>>>>> the structure.
>>>>>> It's done. That
>>>>>> ship sailed in
>>>>>> February.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So that's where
>>>>>> I'm at. By all
>>>>>> means, please
>>>>>> inform me of
>>>>>> broken pieces so
>>>>>> we can look at
>>>>>> and correct
>>>>>> anything ASAP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~k
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25,
>>>>>> 2016 at 10:01 PM,
>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kevin,
>>>>>> He was
>>>>>> writing as a
>>>>>> member to a
>>>>>> busy elected
>>>>>> to SERVE
>>>>>> members.
>>>>>> That means
>>>>>> sometimes we
>>>>>> will hear
>>>>>> things we
>>>>>> don't want to
>>>>>> and have to
>>>>>> respond to
>>>>>> very upset
>>>>>> complaints.
>>>>>> No matter
>>>>>> what anyone
>>>>>> says -
>>>>>> high-handed
>>>>>> responses are
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> appropriate IMHO.
>>>>>> I didn't
>>>>>> agree with
>>>>>> Chuck's desire
>>>>>> to see heads
>>>>>> roll. I said
>>>>>> so respectfully,
>>>>>> Can we start
>>>>>> again?
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann
>>>>>> Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1
>>>>>> Representative,
>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>> National
>>>>>> Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona,
>>>>>> Colorado,
>>>>>> Hawaii,
>>>>>> Kansas,
>>>>>> Montana,
>>>>>> Utah,
>>>>>> Wyoming,
>>>>>> Washington) -
>>>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications
>>>>>> Director,
>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>> Party of
>>>>>> Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>> Colorado
>>>>>> State
>>>>>> Coordinator,
>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>> Party Radical
>>>>>> Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday,
>>>>>> October 25,
>>>>>> 2016, Kevin
>>>>>> Ludlow
>>>>>> <ludlow at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>> opened
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> whoever
>>>>>> made the
>>>>>> decision
>>>>>> was a
>>>>>> MORON and
>>>>>> should be
>>>>>> FIRED.
>>>>>> I think
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> response
>>>>>> was in line.
>>>>>> Regardless,
>>>>>> I remain
>>>>>> open to
>>>>>> seeing
>>>>>> links
>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>> I'm sure
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> still
>>>>>> exist. We
>>>>>> launched
>>>>>> the site
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> morning.
>>>>>> Staff has
>>>>>> spent
>>>>>> weeks
>>>>>> testing
>>>>>> the site
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> fixing
>>>>>> links and
>>>>>> such. I'm
>>>>>> all for
>>>>>> fixing
>>>>>> dead
>>>>>> links,
>>>>>> but 6
>>>>>> pages of
>>>>>> complaints
>>>>>> without
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> information
>>>>>> is not
>>>>>> helpful.
>>>>>> Also, I'm
>>>>>> not a
>>>>>> member of
>>>>>> the LNC.
>>>>>> I'm a
>>>>>> volunteer
>>>>>> only. So
>>>>>> I don't
>>>>>> really
>>>>>> owe
>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>> delightfully
>>>>>> put in a
>>>>>> couple
>>>>>> hundred
>>>>>> hours so
>>>>>> far.
>>>>>> That's
>>>>>> the best
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> willing
>>>>>> to do at
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> point
>>>>>> given
>>>>>> such a
>>>>>> response.
>>>>>> K
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On
>>>>>> Tuesday,
>>>>>> October
>>>>>> 25, 2016,
>>>>>> Caryn Ann
>>>>>> Harlos
>>>>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kevin,
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> inappropriate
>>>>>> response
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> concerns
>>>>>> of a
>>>>>> member
>>>>>> IMHO-
>>>>>> his
>>>>>> concerns
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> valid
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> shouldn't
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> dismissed
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> "oh
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> Libertarians,
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> are a
>>>>>> minority
>>>>>> - we
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> safely
>>>>>> ignore
>>>>>> you."
>>>>>> Where
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> links
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> LNC
>>>>>> Business
>>>>>> list,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> old
>>>>>> blog
>>>>>> articles,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> past
>>>>>> minutes?
>>>>>> Can
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>> without
>>>>>> sarcasm
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> without
>>>>>> putting
>>>>>> down
>>>>>> Libertarians
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> inconsequential?
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In
>>>>>> Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn
>>>>>> Ann
>>>>>> Harlos*
>>>>>> Region
>>>>>> 1
>>>>>> Representative,
>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>> National
>>>>>> Committee
>>>>>> (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona,
>>>>>> Colorado,
>>>>>> Hawaii,
>>>>>> Kansas,
>>>>>> Montana,
>>>>>> Utah,
>>>>>> Wyoming,
>>>>>> Washington)
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications
>>>>>> Director,
>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>> Party
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>> Colorado
>>>>>> State
>>>>>> Coordinator,
>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>> Party
>>>>>> Radical
>>>>>> Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On
>>>>>> Tue,
>>>>>> Oct
>>>>>> 25,
>>>>>> 2016
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> 8:19
>>>>>> PM,
>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>> Ludlow
>>>>>> <ludlow at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey
>>>>>> Chuck,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> constructive
>>>>>> feedback.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>> delightfully
>>>>>> take
>>>>>> credit/responsibility
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> whatever
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> actions
>>>>>> you've
>>>>>> written
>>>>>> about.
>>>>>> Please
>>>>>> pardon
>>>>>> Nick,
>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>> Wes,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> anybody
>>>>>> else
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> crosshairs.
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> sure
>>>>>> they'll
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> relieved
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> spared.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> going
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> read
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> entire
>>>>>> document
>>>>>> you've
>>>>>> sent
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>> spent
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> last
>>>>>> 3
>>>>>> weeks
>>>>>> trying
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> fix
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> party's
>>>>>> infrastructure
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> website
>>>>>> TO
>>>>>> go
>>>>>> live.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> finished
>>>>>> two
>>>>>> days
>>>>>> ago,
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> launched
>>>>>> last
>>>>>> night.
>>>>>> That
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> call.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> useful
>>>>>> right
>>>>>> now
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> point
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> broken
>>>>>> links
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> assign
>>>>>> permanent
>>>>>> redirects
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>> Any
>>>>>> page
>>>>>> content
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> existed
>>>>>> STILL
>>>>>> exists.
>>>>>> This
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> made
>>>>>> clear
>>>>>> over
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> over
>>>>>> again.
>>>>>> It's
>>>>>> possible
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> page
>>>>>> links
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> forwarded,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> monitoring
>>>>>> logs
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> 4
>>>>>> servers
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> day
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> seen
>>>>>> many
>>>>>> 404s.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> downtime
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> morning
>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> outage,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> rather
>>>>>> ME
>>>>>> under-predicting
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> load
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> servers
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> take.
>>>>>> This
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> admittedly
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> data
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> go
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> well
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> we've
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> really
>>>>>> ever
>>>>>> kept
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> before.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> made
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> prediction
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> could;
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> way
>>>>>> under-estimated.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> servers
>>>>>> were
>>>>>> scaled
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> unless
>>>>>> you're
>>>>>> seeing
>>>>>> something
>>>>>> different,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> site
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> running
>>>>>> fine
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> day
>>>>>> since
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> 9:45am
>>>>>> CST.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> running
>>>>>> before
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> fine
>>>>>> too,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> morning
>>>>>> surge
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> traffic
>>>>>> overwhelmed
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So
>>>>>> anyway,
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> you'd
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> submit
>>>>>> broken
>>>>>> links,
>>>>>> we'd
>>>>>> love
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> set
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> additional
>>>>>> forwards.
>>>>>> Overall
>>>>>> though,
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>> happy
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> change.
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> happy
>>>>>> we've
>>>>>> done
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> before
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> election
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> even
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> wound
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> delayed
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> proposed
>>>>>> launch
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> September
>>>>>> 29th.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> old
>>>>>> site
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> very,
>>>>>> very
>>>>>> bad.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> you're
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> tech
>>>>>> guy
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> way.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> words
>>>>>> resonate
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> colors
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> images
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> feelings
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> emotions.
>>>>>> But
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> comprise
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> very,
>>>>>> very,
>>>>>> VERY
>>>>>> small
>>>>>> portion
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> American
>>>>>> electorate
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> site
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> designed
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> appeal
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> visually
>>>>>> oriented,
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> interested
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> reading
>>>>>> walls
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> text,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> might
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> attention
>>>>>> span
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> few
>>>>>> seconds
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> (eg:
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> vast
>>>>>> majority
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> people).
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> designed
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> might
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> care
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>> Party
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> hopes
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> something
>>>>>> grabs
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> attention
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> begin
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> care.
>>>>>> We
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> need
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> "win
>>>>>> over"
>>>>>> existing
>>>>>> Libertarians
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> least
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> think,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> honestly
>>>>>> hard
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> tell
>>>>>> these
>>>>>> days.
>>>>>> Regardless,
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> decided.
>>>>>> It's
>>>>>> done.
>>>>>> You
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> hate
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>> But
>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>> still
>>>>>> love
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> help
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> knowing
>>>>>> where
>>>>>> links
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> broken
>>>>>> instead
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> mostly
>>>>>> ignoring
>>>>>> another
>>>>>> wall
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> text.
>>>>>> That
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> help
>>>>>> ensure
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> good
>>>>>> shape.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If
>>>>>> you'd
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> vent
>>>>>> further,
>>>>>> feel
>>>>>> free
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> call
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> spare
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> group.
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On
>>>>>> Tue,
>>>>>> Oct
>>>>>> 25,
>>>>>> 2016
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> 8:56
>>>>>> PM,
>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>> Moulton
>>>>>> <chuck at moulton.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LNC
>>>>>> members,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> problems
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> warned
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> fact
>>>>>> come
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> pass.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> Cassandra's
>>>>>> Curse:
>>>>>> always
>>>>>> right
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> never
>>>>>> believed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> exchange
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> IPR
>>>>>> quoted
>>>>>> below
>>>>>> (in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> P.S.)
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> context
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> institutional
>>>>>> memory.
>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>> quote
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> discuss
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> highlights
>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WARNING
>>>>>> #1:
>>>>>> TRANSITIONS
>>>>>> CAN
>>>>>> BE
>>>>>> BOTCHED,
>>>>>> LEADING
>>>>>> TO
>>>>>> DOWNTIME
>>>>>> —
>>>>>> AT
>>>>>> THE
>>>>>> WORST
>>>>>> TIME
>>>>>> IN
>>>>>> THE
>>>>>> ELECTION
>>>>>> CYCLE
>>>>>> FOR
>>>>>> SUCH
>>>>>> DOWNTIME:
>>>>>> THE
>>>>>> PRESIDENTIAL
>>>>>> CAMPAIGN.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This
>>>>>> buggy
>>>>>> transition
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> implemented
>>>>>> 13
>>>>>> days
>>>>>> before
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> presidential
>>>>>> election.
>>>>>> That
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> 13th
>>>>>> worst
>>>>>> day
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> 4
>>>>>> year
>>>>>> cycle
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> unveil
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> website.
>>>>>> There
>>>>>> were/are
>>>>>> 1,448
>>>>>> better
>>>>>> days
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> change
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> website
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> 4
>>>>>> year
>>>>>> cycle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whatever
>>>>>> MORON
>>>>>> decided
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> switch
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> website
>>>>>> today
>>>>>> instead
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> after
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> election
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> immediately
>>>>>> FIRED.
>>>>>> Do
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> pass
>>>>>> go,
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> collect
>>>>>> $200.
>>>>>> FIRED.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> can't
>>>>>> imagine
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> stupider,
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> incompetent,
>>>>>> strategically
>>>>>> insane
>>>>>> decision
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> pulling
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> plug
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> working
>>>>>> website
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> trying
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> new,
>>>>>> buggy
>>>>>> website
>>>>>> immediately
>>>>>> before
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> presidential
>>>>>> election.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> INSANE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> staff,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> Wes
>>>>>> Benedict
>>>>>> made
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> idiotic
>>>>>> decision,
>>>>>> FIRE
>>>>>> HIM
>>>>>> IMMEDIATELY.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> LNC,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>> Sarwark
>>>>>> made
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> idiotic
>>>>>> decision,
>>>>>> SUSPEND
>>>>>> HIM
>>>>>> FOR
>>>>>> CAUSE
>>>>>> IMMEDIATELY
>>>>>> (I'll
>>>>>> gladly
>>>>>> recuse
>>>>>> myself
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> member
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Judicial
>>>>>> Committee
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> he
>>>>>> appeals).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If
>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>> Ludlow
>>>>>> made
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> idiotic
>>>>>> decision,
>>>>>> RESCIND
>>>>>> THE
>>>>>> FEBRUARY
>>>>>> 2016
>>>>>> MOTION
>>>>>> GIVING
>>>>>> LUDLOW
>>>>>> UNILATERAL
>>>>>> AUTHORITY
>>>>>> OVER
>>>>>> THE
>>>>>> LP'S
>>>>>> MOST
>>>>>> IMPORTANT
>>>>>> ASSET
>>>>>> IMMEDIATELY.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everything
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> were
>>>>>> told
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> professional
>>>>>> transition
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> does
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> suffer
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> pitfalls
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> highlighted
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> lie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> takes
>>>>>> significantly
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> lp.org
>>>>>> <http://lp.org/>
>>>>>> pages
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> load
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> before.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> site
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> down
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> &
>>>>>> off
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> day
>>>>>> long.
>>>>>> For
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> while
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> were
>>>>>> directed
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> another
>>>>>> domain
>>>>>> whenever
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> went
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> LP
>>>>>> page:
>>>>>> libparty.zocalodesign.com
>>>>>> <http://libparty.zocalodesign.com/>.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WARNING
>>>>>> #2:
>>>>>> A
>>>>>> LOT
>>>>>> OF
>>>>>> CONTENT
>>>>>> IS
>>>>>> REMOVED.
>>>>>> LACK
>>>>>> OF
>>>>>> THAT
>>>>>> CONTENT
>>>>>> MAKES
>>>>>> IT
>>>>>> MUCH
>>>>>> HARDER
>>>>>> TO
>>>>>> ENERGIZE
>>>>>> PROSPECTS;
>>>>>> GET
>>>>>> DONATIONS,
>>>>>> VOLUNTEERS,
>>>>>> AND
>>>>>> CANDIDATES;
>>>>>> AND
>>>>>> TRAIN
>>>>>> LIBERTARIANS
>>>>>> ON
>>>>>> BEST
>>>>>> PRACTICES.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In
>>>>>> fact
>>>>>> (as
>>>>>> predicted),
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> lot
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> content
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> removed
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> lp.org
>>>>>> <http://lp.org/>.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For
>>>>>> example,
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> chair
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Judicial
>>>>>> Committee
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> wonder
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> happened
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> webpage
>>>>>> listing
>>>>>> bylaws
>>>>>> mandated
>>>>>> committee
>>>>>> members?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> link
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> LP
>>>>>> Business
>>>>>> list?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> LNC
>>>>>> minute
>>>>>> archives
>>>>>> before
>>>>>> 2015?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> go
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> on,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> cover
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> point
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> broadly
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> next
>>>>>> unheeded
>>>>>> warning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> repeatedly
>>>>>> assured
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> content
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> removed,
>>>>>> except
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> front
>>>>>> page
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> made
>>>>>> less
>>>>>> cluttered.
>>>>>> That
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> lie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WARNING
>>>>>> #3:
>>>>>> BOTH
>>>>>> CONTENT
>>>>>> REMOVAL
>>>>>> AND
>>>>>> TRANSITIONS
>>>>>> TO
>>>>>> A
>>>>>> NEW
>>>>>> SYSTEM
>>>>>> MAY
>>>>>> LEAD
>>>>>> SOME
>>>>>> PAGES
>>>>>> TO
>>>>>> BE
>>>>>> REMOVED
>>>>>> OR
>>>>>> MOVED,
>>>>>> BREAKING
>>>>>> LINKS
>>>>>> TO
>>>>>> PARTS
>>>>>> OF
>>>>>> THE
>>>>>> SITE
>>>>>> FROM
>>>>>> ALL
>>>>>> AROUND
>>>>>> THE
>>>>>> INTERNET
>>>>>> AND
>>>>>> MAKING
>>>>>> US
>>>>>> LOOK
>>>>>> UNPROFESSIONAL
>>>>>> WITH
>>>>>> 404
>>>>>> ERRORS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> number
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> 404
>>>>>> errors
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> shocking!
>>>>>> Activists
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> months
>>>>>> /
>>>>>> years
>>>>>> promoting
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> website
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> linking
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> especially
>>>>>> during
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> presidential
>>>>>> election.
>>>>>> Most
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> those
>>>>>> links
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> now
>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just
>>>>>> try
>>>>>> clicking
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> many
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> these
>>>>>> links:
>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=site%3Alp.org&oq=site%3Alp.org
>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=site%3Alp.org&oq=site%3Alp.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> told
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> solution
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> report
>>>>>> each
>>>>>> broken
>>>>>> link.
>>>>>> That
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> ridiculous!
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> completely
>>>>>> unprofessional
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> website
>>>>>> transition
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> reactive
>>>>>> instead
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> proactive
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> especially
>>>>>> given
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> broken
>>>>>> links
>>>>>> probably
>>>>>> number
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> thousands.
>>>>>> We
>>>>>> were
>>>>>> assured
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> professional
>>>>>> transition,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> lie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WARNING
>>>>>> #4:
>>>>>> A
>>>>>> NEW
>>>>>> SYSTEM
>>>>>> REQUIRES
>>>>>> RETRAINING
>>>>>> STAFF
>>>>>> ON
>>>>>> PROCESSES
>>>>>> —
>>>>>> TIME
>>>>>> THAT
>>>>>> COULD
>>>>>> HAVE
>>>>>> BEEN
>>>>>> DEVOTED
>>>>>> TO
>>>>>> OTHER
>>>>>> THINGS.
>>>>>> EVEN
>>>>>> AFTER
>>>>>> RETRAINING
>>>>>> THERE
>>>>>> WILL
>>>>>> BE
>>>>>> A
>>>>>> LEARNING
>>>>>> CURVE...
>>>>>> EXTRA
>>>>>> TIME
>>>>>> FOR
>>>>>> WEBSITE
>>>>>> RELATED
>>>>>> TASKS
>>>>>> THAT
>>>>>> COULD
>>>>>> HAVE
>>>>>> BEEN
>>>>>> DEVOTED
>>>>>> TO
>>>>>> OTHER
>>>>>> THINGS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In
>>>>>> fact
>>>>>> (as
>>>>>> predicted),
>>>>>> staff
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> website
>>>>>> transition
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> taken
>>>>>> staff
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> devoted
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> matters
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> busy
>>>>>> election
>>>>>> season.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wes
>>>>>> Benedict
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/006577.html
>>>>>> <http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/006577.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> hope
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> those
>>>>>> things
>>>>>> below
>>>>>> implemented
>>>>>> early
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> 2017,
>>>>>> however,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> back
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> LPedia
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> many
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> projects,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> first
>>>>>> we're
>>>>>> trying
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> roll
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> LP.org
>>>>>> <http://LP.org/>
>>>>>> website.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WARNING
>>>>>> #5:
>>>>>> INTERNAL
>>>>>> SCRIPTS
>>>>>> THAT
>>>>>> CURRENTLY
>>>>>> AUTOMATICALLY
>>>>>> SHOOT
>>>>>> DATA
>>>>>> TO
>>>>>> STATE
>>>>>> AFFILIATES
>>>>>> SUCH
>>>>>> AS
>>>>>> THE
>>>>>> VOLUNTEER
>>>>>> FORM,
>>>>>> THE
>>>>>> WANT
>>>>>> TO
>>>>>> BE
>>>>>> A
>>>>>> CANDIDATE
>>>>>> FORM,
>>>>>> THE
>>>>>> INFO
>>>>>> FORM,
>>>>>> ETC.
>>>>>> MAY
>>>>>> STOP
>>>>>> WORKING,
>>>>>> WHICH
>>>>>> WOULD
>>>>>> DEPRIVE
>>>>>> STATES
>>>>>> OF
>>>>>> A
>>>>>> VALUABLE
>>>>>> SOURCE
>>>>>> OF
>>>>>> LEADS
>>>>>> DURING
>>>>>> A
>>>>>> TRANSITION
>>>>>> PERIOD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do
>>>>>> these
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> still
>>>>>> work?
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> know.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> can't
>>>>>> currently
>>>>>> test
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> state
>>>>>> chair
>>>>>> right
>>>>>> now.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> hope
>>>>>> someone
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> testing
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>> Based
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> monumental
>>>>>> errors
>>>>>> highlighted
>>>>>> above,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> certainly
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> trust
>>>>>> whoever
>>>>>> oversaw
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> website
>>>>>> transition
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> done
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> testing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> made
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> monumental
>>>>>> error
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> voted
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> website.
>>>>>> Please
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> whatever
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> minimize
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> damage
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> triage
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> website
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> butchered
>>>>>> before
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> very
>>>>>> eyes.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> hope
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> lost
>>>>>> content
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> restored
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> bugs
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>> ASAP.
>>>>>> Even
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> everything
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>> within
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> next
>>>>>> week
>>>>>> though,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> timing
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> still
>>>>>> horrendous.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>> Moulton
>>>>>> Life
>>>>>> Member
>>>>>> &
>>>>>> Monthly
>>>>>> Pledger,
>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>> Party
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P.S.
>>>>>> See
>>>>>> below
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> context
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> botched
>>>>>> website
>>>>>> transition
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> eerily
>>>>>> accurate
>>>>>> prophesies
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> clue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>> Ludlow
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/004164.html
>>>>>> <http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/004164.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1)
>>>>>> Our
>>>>>> website
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> joke.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> mean
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> real,
>>>>>> horrible,
>>>>>> laughable,
>>>>>> "maybe
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> 1996
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> www
>>>>>> portion
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> internet
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> unleashed"
>>>>>> joke.
>>>>>> It's
>>>>>> got
>>>>>> ridiculous
>>>>>> internal
>>>>>> ads
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> over
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>> It's
>>>>>> terribly
>>>>>> organized.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> uses
>>>>>> bad
>>>>>> images.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>> font,
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> great
>>>>>> font
>>>>>> colors,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> antiquated
>>>>>> font-spacing
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> sizing.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> barely
>>>>>> functions
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> mobile
>>>>>> devices.
>>>>>> It's
>>>>>> full
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> information
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> need
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> have.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> conveys
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> we're
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> serious
>>>>>> organization.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>> Ludlow
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/004283.html
>>>>>> <http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/004283.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> these
>>>>>> things.
>>>>>> So
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> asking
>>>>>> you,
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> stop
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> you're
>>>>>> doing
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> 30
>>>>>> seconds,
>>>>>> reflect
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> happen
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>> tried
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> accomplish
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> little
>>>>>> task.
>>>>>> What
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> WORST
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> happen?
>>>>>> We
>>>>>> fail?
>>>>>> We're
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> very
>>>>>> slightly
>>>>>> worse
>>>>>> financial
>>>>>> position
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> already
>>>>>> are?
>>>>>> But
>>>>>> now
>>>>>> consider
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> BEST
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> happen?
>>>>>> Maybe
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> tailspin
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> cash
>>>>>> hole
>>>>>> we're
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> stops.
>>>>>> MAYBE
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> LNC
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> doing
>>>>>> something
>>>>>> external.
>>>>>> MAYBE
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> morale
>>>>>> boosted
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> little
>>>>>> bit
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> inclined
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> donate.
>>>>>> MAYBE
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> way
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> leverage
>>>>>> requesting
>>>>>> donations
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>> Moulton
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1321872
>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1321872>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> worst
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> happen?
>>>>>> It's
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> $20,000
>>>>>> wasted.
>>>>>> That
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>> stupid
>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>> there...
>>>>>> accounting
>>>>>> rather
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> economics.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> worst
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> happen
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> site
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> worse
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> before.
>>>>>> A
>>>>>> lot
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> content
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> removed.
>>>>>> Lack
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> content
>>>>>> makes
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> harder
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> energize
>>>>>> prospects;
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> donations,
>>>>>> volunteers,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> candidates;
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> train
>>>>>> libertarians
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> practices.
>>>>>> A
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> system
>>>>>> requires
>>>>>> retraining
>>>>>> staff
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> processes
>>>>>> —
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> coupd
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> devoted
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> things.
>>>>>> Even
>>>>>> after
>>>>>> retraining
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> learning
>>>>>> curve...
>>>>>> extra
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> website
>>>>>> related
>>>>>> tasks
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> devoted
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> things.
>>>>>> Will
>>>>>> conversion
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> visitors
>>>>>> go
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> flashy
>>>>>> styled
>>>>>> website?
>>>>>> Maybe,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> go
>>>>>> down,
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> potential
>>>>>> cost.
>>>>>> This
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> especially
>>>>>> likely
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> focus
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> design/style
>>>>>> rather
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> technical
>>>>>> features
>>>>>> under
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> hood.
>>>>>> When
>>>>>> content
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> removed
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> may
>>>>>> piss
>>>>>> off
>>>>>> current
>>>>>> donors
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> activists,
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> may
>>>>>> reduce
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> donations
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> activism.
>>>>>> Both
>>>>>> content
>>>>>> removal
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> transitions
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> system
>>>>>> may
>>>>>> lead
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> pages
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> removed
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> moved,
>>>>>> breaking
>>>>>> links
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> parts
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> site
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> around
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Internet
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> making
>>>>>> us
>>>>>> look
>>>>>> unprofessional
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> 404
>>>>>> errors.
>>>>>> New
>>>>>> sites
>>>>>> often
>>>>>> start
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> few
>>>>>> bugs
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> errors
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> take
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> while
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> track
>>>>>> down...
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> site
>>>>>> may
>>>>>> look
>>>>>> less
>>>>>> professional
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> interim.
>>>>>> Transitions
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> botched,
>>>>>> leading
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> downtime
>>>>>> —
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> worst
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> election
>>>>>> cycle
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> such
>>>>>> downtime:
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> presidential
>>>>>> campaign.
>>>>>> Internal
>>>>>> scripts
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> currently
>>>>>> automatically
>>>>>> shoot
>>>>>> data
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> state
>>>>>> affiliates
>>>>>> such
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> volunteer
>>>>>> form,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> candidate
>>>>>> form,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> info
>>>>>> form,
>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>> may
>>>>>> stop
>>>>>> working,
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> deprive
>>>>>> states
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> valuable
>>>>>> source
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> leads
>>>>>> during
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> transition
>>>>>> period.
>>>>>> That's
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> come
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> off
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> top
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> head...
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> probably
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> lot
>>>>>> more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>> Ludlow
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1321907
>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1321907>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>> launched
>>>>>> many
>>>>>> large
>>>>>> scale
>>>>>> sites
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> past
>>>>>> year
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> single
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> those
>>>>>> sites
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> problems
>>>>>> you're
>>>>>> referring
>>>>>> to.
>>>>>> They
>>>>>> DID
>>>>>> –
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> were
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> development
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> testing
>>>>>> servers
>>>>>> –
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> went
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> production.
>>>>>> That's
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> web
>>>>>> launches
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> done
>>>>>> professionally.
>>>>>> A
>>>>>> thorough
>>>>>> maintenance
>>>>>> schedule
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> implemented
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> website
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> designed
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> minimal
>>>>>> maintainability
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> first
>>>>>> place.
>>>>>> ...also
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> accordance
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> practices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>> Ludlow
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322226
>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322226>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Furthermore,
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> absolutely
>>>>>> NO
>>>>>> intention
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> remove
>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>> content
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> website.
>>>>>> This
>>>>>> crowd
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> astounding
>>>>>> ability
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> spin
>>>>>> half-truths
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> bake
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> something
>>>>>> entirely
>>>>>> different.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> clarify
>>>>>> specifically
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> meant
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> moving
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> around.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> FRONT
>>>>>> PAGE
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> website
>>>>>> (for
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> non-profit,
>>>>>> business,
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> organization)
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> NOT
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> leave
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> walls
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> text.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> create
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> fast
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> positive
>>>>>> impression
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> call
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> action.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having
>>>>>> dozens
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> dozens
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> options
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> incredibly
>>>>>> poor
>>>>>> design,
>>>>>> thoroughly
>>>>>> proven
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> ineffective,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> generally
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> archaic
>>>>>> website
>>>>>> idea.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> current
>>>>>> website
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> responsive;
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> does
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> work
>>>>>> well
>>>>>> (and
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> cases)
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> mobile
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> tablet
>>>>>> devices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>> Moulton
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322257
>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322257>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Great!
>>>>>> Somehow
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> emails
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> LNC
>>>>>> (I
>>>>>> read
>>>>>> every
>>>>>> LNC
>>>>>> business
>>>>>> list
>>>>>> email)
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> never
>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>> anything
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> transition
>>>>>> process.
>>>>>> All
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> talk
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> design/style.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> manage
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> transition
>>>>>> process
>>>>>> well,
>>>>>> that's
>>>>>> wonderful.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> certainly
>>>>>> hasn't
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> done
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> past.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> transition
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> FoxPro
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> Raiser's
>>>>>> Edge
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> disaster...
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> resulted
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> states
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> receiving
>>>>>> working
>>>>>> dumps
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> year
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> lot
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> records
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> screwed
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> (e.g.,
>>>>>> deceased
>>>>>> coming
>>>>>> back
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> life,
>>>>>> etc.).
>>>>>> During
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> website
>>>>>> transition
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> decade
>>>>>> ago,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> LNC
>>>>>> meeting
>>>>>> minutes
>>>>>> archive
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Success
>>>>>> 97
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> Success
>>>>>> 99
>>>>>> seminars
>>>>>> were
>>>>>> removed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> IT
>>>>>> Committee
>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> report
>>>>>> (pp.
>>>>>> 15-16,
>>>>>> pp.
>>>>>> 51-59):
>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20061111.pdf
>>>>>> <https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20061111.pdf>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> transition
>>>>>> hiccups,
>>>>>> that's
>>>>>> wonderful
>>>>>> news.
>>>>>> You
>>>>>> still
>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>> address
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> scripts
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> website
>>>>>> right
>>>>>> now
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> technical
>>>>>> considerations
>>>>>> Shane
>>>>>> discussed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> concerned
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> giving
>>>>>> management
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> transition
>>>>>> job
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> talks
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> design/style,
>>>>>> wants
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> remove
>>>>>> content
>>>>>> (supposedly...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> though
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> now
>>>>>> clarified
>>>>>> that),
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> never
>>>>>> mentions
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> transition
>>>>>> plan
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> minimize
>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's
>>>>>> great
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> you're
>>>>>> finally
>>>>>> talking
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> transition
>>>>>> plan!
>>>>>> It's
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> fault
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> first
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>> heard
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> lots
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> LP
>>>>>> (myself
>>>>>> included)
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> seen
>>>>>> transitions
>>>>>> mismanaged
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> worried
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> repeat
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> those
>>>>>> disasters.
>>>>>> We're
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> saying
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> sky
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> going
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> fall
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> you.
>>>>>> We're
>>>>>> saying
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> sky
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> fallen
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> past,
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> documented
>>>>>> evidence
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> this,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> seem
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> top
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> process
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> hope
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> prevent
>>>>>> similar
>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>> (You
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> seem
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> lack
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> institutional
>>>>>> memory
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> aware
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> these
>>>>>> past
>>>>>> issues.)
>>>>>> That's
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> matter
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> communicating
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> transition
>>>>>> plan
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> experience,
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> matter
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> us
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> overly
>>>>>> pessimistic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>> Ludlow
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322261
>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322261>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> sorry
>>>>>> you've
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> half-ass
>>>>>> these
>>>>>> efforts
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> past.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> definitely
>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>> say
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> surprised.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> focus
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> style
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> external
>>>>>> world,
>>>>>> style
>>>>>> IS
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> important
>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>> This
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> way
>>>>>> means
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> neglect
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> engine,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> 20
>>>>>> years
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> delivering
>>>>>> projects,
>>>>>> nearly
>>>>>> 100%
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> clients
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> respond
>>>>>> positively
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> broken
>>>>>> system
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> looks
>>>>>> amazing
>>>>>> over
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> badass
>>>>>> functioning
>>>>>> system
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> looks
>>>>>> ugly.
>>>>>> It's
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> psychology.
>>>>>> Again,
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> mean
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322267
>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322267>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>> found
>>>>>> libertarians
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> different
>>>>>> psychology
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> world.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> tech
>>>>>> saavy
>>>>>> folks
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> feel
>>>>>> talked
>>>>>> down
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> ignored
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> talk
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> style,
>>>>>> ignoring
>>>>>> tech
>>>>>> under
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> hood.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> ideological
>>>>>> folks
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> feel
>>>>>> defensive
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> malign
>>>>>> content.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> fall
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> both
>>>>>> categories,
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> others
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> thread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just
>>>>>> something
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> keep
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> mind
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stewart
>>>>>> Flood
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322926
>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322926>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So
>>>>>> they're
>>>>>> creating
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> website
>>>>>> committee
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> giving
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> authority
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> screw
>>>>>> everything
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> without
>>>>>> having
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> go
>>>>>> back
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> LNC
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> approval
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> pals
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> give
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> money
>>>>>> to?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>> Moulton
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322930
>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322930>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes,
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> created
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> committee
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> unlimited
>>>>>> power
>>>>>> over
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> website.
>>>>>> Then
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> spent
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> whole
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> debating
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> irrelevant
>>>>>> $10,000.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>> Moulton
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322938
>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322938>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> hugely
>>>>>> concerned
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> giving
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> person
>>>>>> carte
>>>>>> blanche
>>>>>> over
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> website.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>> Ludlow
>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>> <http://www.kevinludlow.com/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In
>>>>>> Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn
>>>>>> Ann
>>>>>> Harlos*
>>>>>> Region
>>>>>> 1
>>>>>> Representative,
>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>> National
>>>>>> Committee
>>>>>> (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona,
>>>>>> Colorado,
>>>>>> Hawaii,
>>>>>> Kansas,
>>>>>> Montana,
>>>>>> Utah,
>>>>>> Wyoming,
>>>>>> Washington)
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications
>>>>>> Director,
>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>> Party
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>> Colorado
>>>>>> State
>>>>>> Coordinator,
>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>> Party
>>>>>> Radical
>>>>>> Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>> <http://www.kevinludlow.com/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann
>>>>>> Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1
>>>>>> Representative,
>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>> National
>>>>>> Committee
>>>>>> (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona,
>>>>>> Colorado,
>>>>>> Hawaii,
>>>>>> Kansas,
>>>>>> Montana,
>>>>>> Utah,
>>>>>> Wyoming,
>>>>>> Washington) -
>>>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications
>>>>>> Director,
>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>> Party of
>>>>>> Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>> Colorado
>>>>>> State
>>>>>> Coordinator,
>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>> Party Radical
>>>>>> Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>> <http://www.kevinludlow.com/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1
>>>>>> Representative,
>>>>>> Libertarian National
>>>>>> Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado,
>>>>>> Hawaii, Kansas,
>>>>>> Montana, Utah,
>>>>>> Wyoming, Washington)
>>>>>> - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications
>>>>>> Director, Libertarian
>>>>>> Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>> Colorado State
>>>>>> Coordinator,
>>>>>> Libertarian Party
>>>>>> Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>> <http://www.kevinludlow.com/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative,
>>>>>> Libertarian National
>>>>>> Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>>>>>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas,
>>>>>> Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>>>>> Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications Director,
>>>>>> Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator,
>>>>>> Libertarian Party Radical
>>>>>> Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>> <http://www.kevinludlow.com/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian
>>>>>> National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>>>>>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana,
>>>>>> Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> <mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian
>>>>>> Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator,
>>>>>> Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ========================================================
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