[Lnc-business] LP.org website transition - missing pages (83% data loss)

Tue Nov 15 14:09:07 EST 2016

Caryn, et al - 

I believe the technical issues have been resolved with the website at
this point. Things look like they're moving pretty quickly and cleanly. 

I know there are issues with the new website regarding content, and we
definitely need to resolve them. Certainly we need to put meeting
minutes back online, in compliance with the bylaws. Assuming the
technical issues are resoled, I'm sure that will happen in the near
future. 

But this brings up a larger issue: does everything from before need to
be there? How far back do we go? Should every bit of content from the
old site be available on the new site? 

Also, I still can't find the Policy Manual, so I don't know if APRC need
to approve additions and/or subtractions from the website. If not the
APRC, who decides when data expires? 

---
Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
LPKY Judicial Committee 

On 2016-11-15 13:56, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote: 

> No word yet on this missing data I suppose? 
> 
> I was directed to a link I needed for research and..... a 404 
> 
> https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20040814.pdf [1] 
> 
> This is not acceptable. 
> 
> -- 
> 
> IN LIBERTY, 
> CARYN ANN HARLOS 
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org 
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado [2] 
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus [3] 
> 
> , Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org 
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado [2] 
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus [3] 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Moulton supplemented: 
> 
> LNC members,
> 
> I want to follow up on this point. I was just looking at 404 errors before. In fact, the problem is much, much, much, much worse.
> 
> The candidate listings that do exist (are not 404 errors, were properly redirected) are mostly just stubs that include only their names.
> 
> These are our statewide candidates in Pennsylvania:
> https://www.lp.org/candidates/edward-clifford/ [4]
> https://www.lp.org/candidates/james-babb/ [5]
> https://www.lp.org/candidates/roy-minet/ [6]
> 
> It might be hard to tell they are our statewide candidates because their listings include only the following information:
> * LP logo
> * Name
> 
> Their listings DO NOT INCLUDE any of the following information:
> * State
> * Office/district
> * Picture
> * Biography
> * Website link
> * Facebook
> * Twitter
> * Contact info
> 
> If you think this problem is limited to states with less political connections, you are wrong.
> 
> Here are a few listings from people running very active campaigns:
> https://www.lp.org/candidates/aaron-starr/ [7]
> https://www.lp.org/candidates/arvin-vohra/ [8]
> https://www.lp.org/candidates/lily-tang-williams/ [9]
> 
> (Disclosure note: I donated to Aaron Starr's campaign.)
> 
> Here are a few other candidates you may recognize:
> https://www.lp.org/candidates/norm-olsen/ [10]
> https://www.lp.org/candidates/roland-riemers/ [11] (404 error)
> https://www.lp.org/candidates/patrick-mcknight/ [12]
> 
> Here is one of the few candidate pages with actual information:
> https://www.lp.org/candidates/mark-miller/ [13]
> 
> Note that even that trails off at the end... "As an experienced PhD petroleum engineer and former UT petroleum engineering faculty member, he will undoubtedly be the most qualified candidate on the November 201". Also the Facebook and Twitter links are broken. And it doesn't mention what office he is seeking. Nice that the LNC donated thousands of dollars to his campaign... too bad no one bothered to spend 5 minutes fixing the errors in his candidate listing.
> 
> Of course, his old page does not redirect:
> https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/mark-a-miller/ [14]
> 
> John Moore is a 404 page:
> https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/john-moore/ [15]
> https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/john-moore/ [16]
> https://www.lp.org/candidates/john-moore/ [17]
> 
> As is Laura Ebke:
> https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/laura-ebke/ [18]
> 
> TODAY IS ELECTION DAY. What a wasted opportunity!!!
> 
> Maybe if we hadn't shut down our working website 2 weeks before the election and replaced it with a buggy new website with 83% data loss and long load times (using a lot of precious staff time at their busiest period), we could have listed and promoted some of our candidates.
> 
> Please, please, PLEASE exercise some actual oversight as a board and do something about the critical and embarrassing error torpedoing one of our greatest assets (on the eve of the election): our national lp.org [19] website.
> 
> I've received feedback asking me if I was being over the top or facetious suggesting someone should be FIRED or REMOVED FROM THE LNC over this. I was not. I am completely serious. What was done to the website goes beyond a harmless error. It goes beyond reckless. It was NEGLIGENT. Someone should be held accountable for all the damage that has been done to the Libertarian Party -- an organization we all have poured time and money into for decades hoping to see it succeed.
> 
> Thank you for your consideration.
> 
> Chuck Moulton
> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
> 
> P.S. I voted proudly for Gary Johnson and the other Libertarians on the Pennsylvania ballot today. 
> 
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> For the public's information. A ton of ideological links are, in fact, broken. 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: CHUCK MOULTON <chuck at moulton.org>
> Date: Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:21 PM
> Subject: Re: LP.org website transition - missing pages (83% data loss)
> 
> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
> What would be useful right now would be if you could point out the
> broken links so that we can assign permanent redirects to them.
> 
> [...]
> 
> So anyway, if you'd like to submit broken links, we'd love to set up
> additional forwards. 
> Kevin,
> 
> Glad to help!
> 
> Obviously, it is much easier for you to see what redirects need to be made, as you have access to the old website, the new website, and the 404 logs. However, you seem to be having trouble with this, so I'll provide you with the information you need.
> 
> It would be very difficult to compile a list of all incoming links to lp.org [20] without access to the server logs. Therefore, I used Google's search results, which is a reasonable proxy for outside links. I searched for "site:lp.org [20]", then I did followup searches for all directories I found with "site:lp.org [20] inurl:lp.org/blog [21]" (for example) because Google does not list all the results it has indexed without narrow searches. This netted 2,531 unique URLs indexed by Google. I wrote a program in Python to scrape that information.
> 
> Next, Stewart Flood wrote a Perl program to check every URL on my list and find out whether it threw a 404 error. (He also checked for load times and other information, which we will highlight in a subsequent report.) Sorry this took so long... Stewart was busy watching the World Series. We re-ran the script several times this week to see if staff added any redirects... they only added one page: /contribute. The program can be re-run at any time to track what's been added. Not all of the missing URLs should necessarily be carried forward, but a lot of historical information is no longer present.
> 
> Our results are included in the attachments. (Note: In the summary page, these are groupings by directory, not the actual URLs.)
> 
> Basically, 83% of the webpages indexed by Google have not been carried over or properly redirected.
> 
> In liberty,
> 
> Chuck Moulton
> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
> 2006-2008 IT Committee Chair
> 
> Stewart Flood
> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
> 2008-2012 IT Committee Chair 
> 
> -- 
> 
> IN LIBERTY, 
> CARYN ANN HARLOS 
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org 
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado [22] 
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus [23]

 -- 

IN LIBERTY, 
CARYN ANN HARLOS 
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org 
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado [22] 
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus [23] 

 -- 

IN LIBERTY, 
CARYN ANN HARLOS 
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org 
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado [22] 
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus [23] 

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Links:
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[1] https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20040814.pdf
[2] http://www.lpcolorado.org/
[3] http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/
[4] https://www.lp.org/candidates/edward-clifford/
[5] https://www.lp.org/candidates/james-babb/
[6] https://www.lp.org/candidates/roy-minet/
[7] https://www.lp.org/candidates/aaron-starr/
[8] https://www.lp.org/candidates/arvin-vohra/
[9] https://www.lp.org/candidates/lily-tang-williams/
[10] https://www.lp.org/candidates/norm-olsen/
[11] https://www.lp.org/candidates/roland-riemers/
[12] https://www.lp.org/candidates/patrick-mcknight/
[13] https://www.lp.org/candidates/mark-miller/
[14] https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/mark-a-miller/
[15] https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/john-moore/
[16] https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/john-moore/
[17] https://www.lp.org/candidates/john-moore/
[18] https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/laura-ebke/
[19] http://lp.org/
[20] http://lp.org
[21] http://lp.org/blog
[22] http://www.lpcolorado.org
[23] http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org
[24] http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
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