[Lnc-business] LP.org website transition - missing pages (83% data loss)

Wes Benedict wes.benedict at lp.org
Tue Nov 15 14:18:12 EST 2016


Ken, the technical issues with the website definitely have not been 
resolved.

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On 11/15/2016 2:09 PM, Ken Moellman wrote:
>
> Caryn, et al -
> I believe the technical issues have been resolved with the website at 
> this point. Things look like they're moving pretty quickly and cleanly.
> I know there are issues with the new website regarding content, and we 
> definitely need to resolve them.  Certainly we need to put meeting 
> minutes back online, in compliance with the bylaws. Assuming the 
> technical issues are resoled, I'm sure that will happen in the near 
> future.
> But this brings up a larger issue: does everything from before need to 
> be there?  How far back do we go? Should every bit of content from the 
> old site be available on the new site?
> Also, I still can't find the Policy Manual, so I don't know if APRC 
> need to approve additions and/or subtractions from the website.  If 
> not the APRC, who decides when data expires?
> ---
>
> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
> LPKY Judicial Committee
>
> On 2016-11-15 13:56, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
>> No word yet on this missing data I suppose?
>> I was directed to a link I needed for research and..... a 404
>> https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20040814.pdf 
>> <https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20040814.pdf>
>> This is not acceptable.
>> -- 
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, 
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, 
>> Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado 
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus 
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>> , Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado 
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus 
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos 
>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Moulton supplemented:
>>     LNC members,
>>
>>     I want to follow up on this point.  I was just looking at 404
>>     errors before.  In fact, the problem is much, much, much, much worse.
>>
>>     The candidate listings that do exist (are not 404 errors, were
>>     properly redirected) are mostly just stubs that include only
>>     their names.
>>
>>     These are our statewide candidates in Pennsylvania:
>>     https://www.lp.org/candidates/edward-clifford/
>>     <https://www.lp.org/candidates/edward-clifford/>
>>     https://www.lp.org/candidates/james-babb/
>>     <https://www.lp.org/candidates/james-babb/>
>>     https://www.lp.org/candidates/roy-minet/
>>     <https://www.lp.org/candidates/roy-minet/>
>>
>>     It might be hard to tell they are our statewide candidates
>>     because their listings include only the following information:
>>     * LP logo
>>     * Name
>>
>>     Their listings DO NOT INCLUDE any of the following information:
>>     * State
>>     * Office/district
>>     * Picture
>>     * Biography
>>     * Website link
>>     * Facebook
>>     * Twitter
>>     * Contact info
>>
>>     If you think this problem is limited to states with less
>>     political connections, you are wrong.
>>
>>     Here are a few listings from people running very active campaigns:
>>     https://www.lp.org/candidates/aaron-starr/
>>     <https://www.lp.org/candidates/aaron-starr/>
>>     https://www.lp.org/candidates/arvin-vohra/
>>     <https://www.lp.org/candidates/arvin-vohra/>
>>     https://www.lp.org/candidates/lily-tang-williams/
>>     <https://www.lp.org/candidates/lily-tang-williams/>
>>
>>     (Disclosure note: I donated to Aaron Starr's campaign.)
>>
>>     Here are a few other candidates you may recognize:
>>     https://www.lp.org/candidates/norm-olsen/
>>     <https://www.lp.org/candidates/norm-olsen/>
>>     https://www.lp.org/candidates/roland-riemers/
>>     <https://www.lp.org/candidates/roland-riemers/> (404 error)
>>     https://www.lp.org/candidates/patrick-mcknight/
>>     <https://www.lp.org/candidates/patrick-mcknight/>
>>
>>     Here is one of the few candidate pages with actual information:
>>     https://www.lp.org/candidates/mark-miller/
>>     <https://www.lp.org/candidates/mark-miller/>
>>
>>     Note that even that trails off at the end... "As an experienced
>>     PhD petroleum engineer and former UT petroleum engineering
>>     faculty member, he will undoubtedly be the most qualified
>>     candidate on the November 201". Also the Facebook and Twitter
>>     links are broken.  And it doesn't mention what office he is
>>     seeking.  Nice that the LNC donated thousands of dollars to his
>>     campaign... too bad no one bothered to spend 5 minutes fixing the
>>     errors in his candidate listing.
>>
>>     Of course, his old page does not redirect:
>>     https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/mark-a-miller/
>>     <https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/mark-a-miller/>
>>
>>     John Moore is a 404 page:
>>     https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/john-moore/
>>     <https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/john-moore/>
>>     https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/john-moore/
>>     <https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/john-moore/>
>>     https://www.lp.org/candidates/john-moore/
>>     <https://www.lp.org/candidates/john-moore/>
>>
>>     As is Laura Ebke:
>>     https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/laura-ebke/
>>     <https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/laura-ebke/>
>>
>>     TODAY IS ELECTION DAY.  What a wasted opportunity!!!
>>
>>     Maybe if we hadn't shut down our working website 2 weeks before
>>     the election and replaced it with a buggy new website with 83%
>>     data loss and long load times (using a lot of precious staff time
>>     at their busiest period), we could have listed and promoted some
>>     of our candidates.
>>
>>     Please, please, PLEASE exercise some actual oversight as a board
>>     and do something about the critical and embarrassing error
>>     torpedoing one of our greatest assets (on the eve of the
>>     election): our national lp.org <http://lp.org/> website.
>>
>>     I've received feedback asking me if I was being over the top or
>>     facetious suggesting someone should be FIRED or REMOVED FROM THE
>>     LNC over this.  I was not.  I am completely serious.  What was
>>     done to the website goes beyond a harmless error.  It goes beyond
>>     reckless.  It was NEGLIGENT.  Someone should be held accountable
>>     for all the damage that has been done to the Libertarian Party --
>>     an organization we all have poured time and money into for
>>     decades hoping to see it succeed.
>>
>>     Thank you for your consideration.
>>
>>     Chuck Moulton
>>     Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>
>>     P.S. I voted proudly for Gary Johnson and the other Libertarians
>>     on the Pennsylvania ballot today.
>>
>>     On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>     <carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         For the public's information.  A ton of ideological links
>>         are, in fact, broken.
>>
>>         ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>         From: *Chuck Moulton* <chuck at moulton.org
>>         <mailto:chuck at moulton.org>>
>>         Date: Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:21 PM
>>         Subject: Re: LP.org website transition - missing pages (83%
>>         data loss)
>>
>>
>>         Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>
>>             What would be useful right now would be if you could
>>             point out the
>>             broken links so that we can assign permanent redirects to
>>             them.
>>
>>             [...]
>>
>>             So anyway, if you'd like to submit broken links, we'd
>>             love to set up
>>             additional forwards.
>>
>>
>>         Kevin,
>>
>>         Glad to help!
>>
>>         Obviously, it is much easier for you to see what redirects
>>         need to be made, as you have access to the old website, the
>>         new website, and the 404 logs.  However, you seem to be
>>         having trouble with this, so I'll provide you with the
>>         information you need.
>>
>>         It would be very difficult to compile a list of all incoming
>>         links to lp.org <http://lp.org> without access to the server
>>         logs. Therefore, I used Google's search results, which is a
>>         reasonable proxy for outside links.  I searched for
>>         "site:lp.org <http://lp.org>", then I did followup searches
>>         for all directories I found with "site:lp.org <http://lp.org>
>>         inurl:lp.org/blog <http://lp.org/blog>" (for example) because
>>         Google does not list all the results it has indexed without
>>         narrow searches.  This netted 2,531 unique URLs indexed by
>>         Google.  I wrote a program in Python to scrape that information.
>>
>>         Next, Stewart Flood wrote a Perl program to check every URL
>>         on my list and find out whether it threw a 404 error.  (He
>>         also checked for load times and other information, which we
>>         will highlight in a subsequent report.)  Sorry this took so
>>         long... Stewart was busy watching the World Series.  We
>>         re-ran the script several times this week to see if staff
>>         added any redirects... they only added one page:
>>         /contribute.  The program can be re-run at any time to track
>>         what's been added.  Not all of the missing URLs should
>>         necessarily be carried forward, but a lot of historical
>>         information is no longer present.
>>
>>         Our results are included in the attachments.  (Note: In the
>>         summary page, these are groupings by directory, not the
>>         actual URLs.)
>>
>>         Basically, 83% of the webpages indexed by Google have not
>>         been carried over or properly redirected.
>>
>>
>>         In liberty,
>>
>>         Chuck Moulton
>>         Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>         2006-2008 IT Committee Chair
>>
>>         Stewart Flood
>>         Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>         2008-2012 IT Committee Chair
>>
>>
>>         -- 
>>         *In Liberty,*
>>         *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>         Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>         (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
>>         Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>         <mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>         Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>         <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>         Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>         <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     *In Liberty,*
>>     *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>     Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>     Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>     Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>     <mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>     Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>     <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>     Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>     <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, 
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, 
>> Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org <mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado 
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus 
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
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