[Lnc-business] LP.org website transition - missing pages (83% data loss)
Wes Benedict
wes.benedict at lp.org
Tue Nov 15 14:18:12 EST 2016
Ken, the technical issues with the website definitely have not been
resolved.
Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
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On 11/15/2016 2:09 PM, Ken Moellman wrote:
>
> Caryn, et al -
> I believe the technical issues have been resolved with the website at
> this point. Things look like they're moving pretty quickly and cleanly.
> I know there are issues with the new website regarding content, and we
> definitely need to resolve them. Certainly we need to put meeting
> minutes back online, in compliance with the bylaws. Assuming the
> technical issues are resoled, I'm sure that will happen in the near
> future.
> But this brings up a larger issue: does everything from before need to
> be there? How far back do we go? Should every bit of content from the
> old site be available on the new site?
> Also, I still can't find the Policy Manual, so I don't know if APRC
> need to approve additions and/or subtractions from the website. If
> not the APRC, who decides when data expires?
> ---
>
> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
> LPKY Judicial Committee
>
> On 2016-11-15 13:56, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
>> No word yet on this missing data I suppose?
>> I was directed to a link I needed for research and..... a 404
>> https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20040814.pdf
>> <https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20040814.pdf>
>> This is not acceptable.
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>> , Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Moulton supplemented:
>> LNC members,
>>
>> I want to follow up on this point. I was just looking at 404
>> errors before. In fact, the problem is much, much, much, much worse.
>>
>> The candidate listings that do exist (are not 404 errors, were
>> properly redirected) are mostly just stubs that include only
>> their names.
>>
>> These are our statewide candidates in Pennsylvania:
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/edward-clifford/
>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/edward-clifford/>
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/james-babb/
>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/james-babb/>
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/roy-minet/
>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/roy-minet/>
>>
>> It might be hard to tell they are our statewide candidates
>> because their listings include only the following information:
>> * LP logo
>> * Name
>>
>> Their listings DO NOT INCLUDE any of the following information:
>> * State
>> * Office/district
>> * Picture
>> * Biography
>> * Website link
>> * Facebook
>> * Twitter
>> * Contact info
>>
>> If you think this problem is limited to states with less
>> political connections, you are wrong.
>>
>> Here are a few listings from people running very active campaigns:
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/aaron-starr/
>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/aaron-starr/>
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/arvin-vohra/
>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/arvin-vohra/>
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/lily-tang-williams/
>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/lily-tang-williams/>
>>
>> (Disclosure note: I donated to Aaron Starr's campaign.)
>>
>> Here are a few other candidates you may recognize:
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/norm-olsen/
>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/norm-olsen/>
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/roland-riemers/
>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/roland-riemers/> (404 error)
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/patrick-mcknight/
>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/patrick-mcknight/>
>>
>> Here is one of the few candidate pages with actual information:
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/mark-miller/
>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/mark-miller/>
>>
>> Note that even that trails off at the end... "As an experienced
>> PhD petroleum engineer and former UT petroleum engineering
>> faculty member, he will undoubtedly be the most qualified
>> candidate on the November 201". Also the Facebook and Twitter
>> links are broken. And it doesn't mention what office he is
>> seeking. Nice that the LNC donated thousands of dollars to his
>> campaign... too bad no one bothered to spend 5 minutes fixing the
>> errors in his candidate listing.
>>
>> Of course, his old page does not redirect:
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/mark-a-miller/
>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/mark-a-miller/>
>>
>> John Moore is a 404 page:
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/john-moore/
>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/john-moore/>
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/john-moore/
>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/john-moore/>
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/john-moore/
>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/john-moore/>
>>
>> As is Laura Ebke:
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/laura-ebke/
>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/laura-ebke/>
>>
>> TODAY IS ELECTION DAY. What a wasted opportunity!!!
>>
>> Maybe if we hadn't shut down our working website 2 weeks before
>> the election and replaced it with a buggy new website with 83%
>> data loss and long load times (using a lot of precious staff time
>> at their busiest period), we could have listed and promoted some
>> of our candidates.
>>
>> Please, please, PLEASE exercise some actual oversight as a board
>> and do something about the critical and embarrassing error
>> torpedoing one of our greatest assets (on the eve of the
>> election): our national lp.org <http://lp.org/> website.
>>
>> I've received feedback asking me if I was being over the top or
>> facetious suggesting someone should be FIRED or REMOVED FROM THE
>> LNC over this. I was not. I am completely serious. What was
>> done to the website goes beyond a harmless error. It goes beyond
>> reckless. It was NEGLIGENT. Someone should be held accountable
>> for all the damage that has been done to the Libertarian Party --
>> an organization we all have poured time and money into for
>> decades hoping to see it succeed.
>>
>> Thank you for your consideration.
>>
>> Chuck Moulton
>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>
>> P.S. I voted proudly for Gary Johnson and the other Libertarians
>> on the Pennsylvania ballot today.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> For the public's information. A ton of ideological links
>> are, in fact, broken.
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: *Chuck Moulton* <chuck at moulton.org
>> <mailto:chuck at moulton.org>>
>> Date: Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: LP.org website transition - missing pages (83%
>> data loss)
>>
>>
>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>
>> What would be useful right now would be if you could
>> point out the
>> broken links so that we can assign permanent redirects to
>> them.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> So anyway, if you'd like to submit broken links, we'd
>> love to set up
>> additional forwards.
>>
>>
>> Kevin,
>>
>> Glad to help!
>>
>> Obviously, it is much easier for you to see what redirects
>> need to be made, as you have access to the old website, the
>> new website, and the 404 logs. However, you seem to be
>> having trouble with this, so I'll provide you with the
>> information you need.
>>
>> It would be very difficult to compile a list of all incoming
>> links to lp.org <http://lp.org> without access to the server
>> logs. Therefore, I used Google's search results, which is a
>> reasonable proxy for outside links. I searched for
>> "site:lp.org <http://lp.org>", then I did followup searches
>> for all directories I found with "site:lp.org <http://lp.org>
>> inurl:lp.org/blog <http://lp.org/blog>" (for example) because
>> Google does not list all the results it has indexed without
>> narrow searches. This netted 2,531 unique URLs indexed by
>> Google. I wrote a program in Python to scrape that information.
>>
>> Next, Stewart Flood wrote a Perl program to check every URL
>> on my list and find out whether it threw a 404 error. (He
>> also checked for load times and other information, which we
>> will highlight in a subsequent report.) Sorry this took so
>> long... Stewart was busy watching the World Series. We
>> re-ran the script several times this week to see if staff
>> added any redirects... they only added one page:
>> /contribute. The program can be re-run at any time to track
>> what's been added. Not all of the missing URLs should
>> necessarily be carried forward, but a lot of historical
>> information is no longer present.
>>
>> Our results are included in the attachments. (Note: In the
>> summary page, these are groupings by directory, not the
>> actual URLs.)
>>
>> Basically, 83% of the webpages indexed by Google have not
>> been carried over or properly redirected.
>>
>>
>> In liberty,
>>
>> Chuck Moulton
>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>> 2006-2008 IT Committee Chair
>>
>> Stewart Flood
>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>> 2008-2012 IT Committee Chair
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
>> Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> <mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> <mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org <mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
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