[Lnc-business] LP.org website transition - missing pages (83% data loss)
Caryn Ann Harlos
carynannharlos at gmail.com
Wed Nov 16 20:37:57 EST 2016
Can someone answer me if we have a zip of the old site? I understand it is
running in parallel right now for staff, but I am really concerned that the
data will just go poof.
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 5:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Member Chuck Moulton helpfully wrote to me to say that the agendas get
> subsumed and are recorded in the minutes so that would satisfy the Bylaws
> requirement. I think someone could be a pain and argue differently from
> the Bylaws that a separate "proposed agenda" and not the final agenda is
> what is required (that is the strict language of the Bylaws) but I
> certainly think that since the Agendas are reported in the minutes, the
> complete spirit and intent is fulfilled as long as the proposed agendas are
> included with prompt posting of the meeting notices. (I note that the July
> meeting notice was not posted promptly and I don't think the special
> session in September was ever publicly noticed other than in this list).
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On another note I see "Bylaws compliance" come up in that discussion.
>> The items that are a subject of Bylaws compliance are old minutes and
>> agendas. And the Bylaws say those are to be on the "Party website" so
>> there is no shunting those off to another site. That is not optional under
>> the Bylaws.
>>
>> FWIW, our old site and our new site are not in compliance when it comes
>> to Agendas. I highly suggest that the Agendas get added - I don't
>> personally see the value, but the Bylaws requires it.
>>
>> If we are not keeping LPedia, any archive that is Party property is not
>> satisfied by being on LPedia. It is great if it is there, but as pointed
>> out ,we would not control it.
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Wes for giving that top priority.
>>>
>>> On the other issue, the LP could decide to commit to and keep LPedia.
>>> The only reason handing off is on the table is because we let it fall into
>>> ruin.
>>>
>>> Archiving is entirely different from deleting - and it is still
>>> available. But I see no reason why the archive cannot be on the LP.org
>>> site in its own archive section.
>>>
>>> Archiving is about designation, organization. and digital location.
>>>
>>> There is the issue of our SEO on old links.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2016, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely. I think we're actually agreeing.
>>>>
>>>> Please understand that, professionally, I'm in Enterprise Storage and
>>>> Backup. My entire job revolves around data; keeping it available and
>>>> secure. I'm not one to "delete" anything, but I'm suggesting that now is
>>>> the time to take a look at archiving some stuff. By default, we should
>>>> retain all data. However, it doesn't all need to be on LP.org.
>>>>
>>>> I do think that leveraging LPedia is one way to handle it. However, I
>>>> think LPedia is being handed off to LSLA and I don't think LP National can
>>>> control LSLA and ensure Bylaws compliance. (As a side note, I'm an LPedia
>>>> contributor and I think it's a good project).
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2016-11-16 05:30, Starchild wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sure Ken, let's take a look. If you or someone else suggest that a
>>>> particular document or category of materials be transferred to another
>>>> site, and everyone looks at it and agrees it doesn't need to be maintained
>>>> on LP.org, fine. But if you try to use the implementation of a site
>>>> revamp as an opportunity to by fait accompli bury or trash material that
>>>> other people don't want buried or trashed, then the next time you want to
>>>> update the website (or anything else), some people are likely to remember
>>>> what you tried to do this time and not trust you.
>>>>
>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>> @StarchildSF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 15, 2016, at 9:01 PM, Ken Moellman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As a new member of the LNC, I wasn't involved in any of the original
>>>> decisions. I would have said the same thing then, too. This is the right
>>>> time to examine content. Why move over what is unnecessary? Let's take a
>>>> look now.
>>>>
>>>> There was also talk at one time - several years ago - of splitting the
>>>> website into two sites; one all about marketing the LP, and the other for
>>>> the back-office and more technical stuff (like bylaws and meeting minutes
>>>> and whatnot). Both publicly available, but one being very simple and the
>>>> other being more of the document repository and archive.
>>>>
>>>> I'd rather not talk about re-engineering a brand new website with the
>>>> new one being wrapped up. But it's all stuff to think about. I do
>>>> personally think a sleek "first impression" site might be a worthwhile item
>>>> to examine.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2016-11-15 23:04, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And - as I said. The prediction of members is coming true. It was
>>>> said then that this move would be an excuse to delete content. I get
>>>> called paranoid.... and now we see an apologetic for just that.
>>>>
>>>> There is sentiment to delete content and there was "appears" to
>>>> be purposeful ideological rebranding of the masthead that should be an LNC
>>>> level decision.
>>>>
>>>> Just like members expressed fears about and were assured would not
>>>> happen.
>>>>
>>>> And now are said to be paranoid. Or characterized as hyper critics.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2016, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not about the cost of storage, really, but the amount of clutter.
>>>>>
>>>>> For instance, somewhere I have every email I have ever sent or
>>>>> received (except 94-97). Why? It's not like I look at them. And it makes
>>>>> searching for something that much more difficult.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I never quite get around to purging out data I don't need anymore
>>>>> because I never have a reason to even get into that old mail. If I ever had
>>>>> a reason, I might start cleaning it up.
>>>>>
>>>>> I even went and re-purchased a software license for $25 because it
>>>>> wasn't worth my time to go back through all of that data to try to save
>>>>> $25.
>>>>>
>>>>> The point is to avoid being a hoarder. While keeping 20-year-old
>>>>> newspapers in stacks around the house has no monetary cost, there are other
>>>>> hidden and not so hidden costs.
>>>>>
>>>>> While we're going through the house anyway, let's toss some garbage.
>>>>> It wasn't garbage 20 years ago, certainly, but now.... well.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-11-15 18:32, Starchild wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken,
>>>>>
>>>>> Were we somehow running into space limitations on how much is stored
>>>>> at LP.org? I'm not aware of any such issue. Assuming there is no
>>>>> urgency on getting older material off the site, I think any content
>>>>> proposed to be removed from LP.org should first be submitted to the
>>>>> LNC, so that any of us can flag for discussion any material that we
>>>>> *don't* believe should be transferred (what you said about the
>>>>> decision being "conscientiously made"). LPedia.org would be a natural
>>>>> place to archive older, less useful material, but that site needs to be
>>>>> made fully functional and accessible. Unless there is some kind of urgent
>>>>> technical need, I don't think anything should be removed from LP.org,
>>>>> or not ported over to the revamped site, until it has an immediate new home
>>>>> where members can readily access it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>>> @StarchildSF
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 15, 2016, at 2:53 PM, Ken Moellman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a question of whether or not we should let some data
>>>>> expire. At some point, the value of the information decreases to a point
>>>>> that it is practically useless. At that point, it should be archived, but
>>>>> not kept on the main site. But what goes away is a decision that should be
>>>>> conscientiously made by someone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the old website still hiding somewhere where the LNC members can
>>>>> access it? It might be good to dump every node from the old Drupal site
>>>>> and have some decision-makers determine the value of each page.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wes - My 3PM went long and I have another engagement until 8PM. If
>>>>> you're around after 8:30PM Eastern feel free to give me a call.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-11-15 17:06, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sam - while clever - there is absolutely zero reason we should have
>>>>> data loss simply because we have a new site. That must be a conscious LNC
>>>>> decision. I do not intend on letting this drop.
>>>>>
>>>>> Further - and as you know because I was one of the loudest complaining
>>>>> members - members were assured that there would be no content culling.
>>>>> Members then expressed skepticism at that promise and felt they were being
>>>>> a fed a load of hooey.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's not show that they in fact were.
>>>>>
>>>>> The look of the site is nice. The ideological rebranding and the loss
>>>>> of content is precisely what members were promised would not happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless the LNC makes some decision on this to settle it- and then
>>>>> members can act accordingly - I have zero intention of letting this drop.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is unacceptable and against all assurances given to our members.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will note well that a lot of that content was generated and put up
>>>>> by paid staff. Paid by members. And now gone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Grumpy cat says nope.
>>>>>
>>>>> To answer Ken's question. Unless we are going to concede the LNC and
>>>>> website committee lied to members, then no one can make a decision to omit
>>>>> content. And in any event that is not APRC. APRC could potentially
>>>>> require that this Bylaws violation be done before anything else. But the
>>>>> rest is outside their scope.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is an LNC level decision.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just like the purposeful masthead rebranding.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2016, Sam Goldstein <
>>>>> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is the most recent version of the Policy Manual that I have on my
>>>>>> computer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yes, every single document generated by a member of the party over
>>>>>> the past 40 years must be on the web site for total transparency.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>> Member at Large
>>>>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>>>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wes, as soon as I get done with this 3PM call I'll reach out to you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2016-11-15 14:18, Wes Benedict wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ken, the technical issues with the website definitely have not been
>>>>>>> resolved.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>>>>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.orgfacebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>>>>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/15/2016 2:09 PM, Ken Moellman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Caryn, et al -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe the technical issues have been resolved with the website
>>>>>>> at this point. Things look like they're moving pretty quickly and cleanly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know there are issues with the new website regarding content, and
>>>>>>> we definitely need to resolve them. Certainly we need to put meeting
>>>>>>> minutes back online, in compliance with the bylaws. Assuming the technical
>>>>>>> issues are resoled, I'm sure that will happen in the near future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But this brings up a larger issue: does everything from before need
>>>>>>> to be there? How far back do we go? Should every bit of content from the
>>>>>>> old site be available on the new site?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, I still can't find the Policy Manual, so I don't know if APRC
>>>>>>> need to approve additions and/or subtractions from the website. If not the
>>>>>>> APRC, who decides when data expires?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2016-11-15 13:56, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No word yet on this missing data I suppose?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was directed to a link I needed for research and..... a 404
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20040814.pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is not acceptable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> , Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Moulton supplemented:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LNC members,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I want to follow up on this point. I was just looking at 404
>>>>>>>> errors before. In fact, the problem is much, much, much, much worse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The candidate listings that do exist (are not 404 errors, were
>>>>>>>> properly redirected) are mostly just stubs that include only their names.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These are our statewide candidates in Pennsylvania:
>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/edward-clifford/
>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/james-babb/
>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/roy-minet/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It might be hard to tell they are our statewide candidates because
>>>>>>>> their listings include only the following information:
>>>>>>>> * LP logo
>>>>>>>> * Name
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Their listings DO NOT INCLUDE any of the following information:
>>>>>>>> * State
>>>>>>>> * Office/district
>>>>>>>> * Picture
>>>>>>>> * Biography
>>>>>>>> * Website link
>>>>>>>> * Facebook
>>>>>>>> * Twitter
>>>>>>>> * Contact info
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you think this problem is limited to states with less political
>>>>>>>> connections, you are wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here are a few listings from people running very active campaigns:
>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/aaron-starr/
>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/arvin-vohra/
>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/lily-tang-williams/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (Disclosure note: I donated to Aaron Starr's campaign.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here are a few other candidates you may recognize:
>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/norm-olsen/
>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/roland-riemers/ (404 error)
>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/patrick-mcknight/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is one of the few candidate pages with actual information:
>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/mark-miller/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Note that even that trails off at the end... "As an experienced PhD
>>>>>>>> petroleum engineer and former UT petroleum engineering faculty member, he
>>>>>>>> will undoubtedly be the most qualified candidate on the November 201".
>>>>>>>> Also the Facebook and Twitter links are broken. And it doesn't mention
>>>>>>>> what office he is seeking. Nice that the LNC donated thousands of dollars
>>>>>>>> to his campaign... too bad no one bothered to spend 5 minutes fixing the
>>>>>>>> errors in his candidate listing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course, his old page does not redirect:
>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/mark-a-miller/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John Moore is a 404 page:
>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/john-moore/
>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/john-moore/
>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/john-moore/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As is Laura Ebke:
>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/laura-ebke/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TODAY IS ELECTION DAY. What a wasted opportunity!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe if we hadn't shut down our working website 2 weeks before the
>>>>>>>> election and replaced it with a buggy new website with 83% data loss and
>>>>>>>> long load times (using a lot of precious staff time at their busiest
>>>>>>>> period), we could have listed and promoted some of our candidates.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please, please, PLEASE exercise some actual oversight as a board
>>>>>>>> and do something about the critical and embarrassing error torpedoing one
>>>>>>>> of our greatest assets (on the eve of the election): our national
>>>>>>>> lp.org website.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've received feedback asking me if I was being over the top or
>>>>>>>> facetious suggesting someone should be FIRED or REMOVED FROM THE LNC over
>>>>>>>> this. I was not. I am completely serious. What was done to the website
>>>>>>>> goes beyond a harmless error. It goes beyond reckless. It was NEGLIGENT.
>>>>>>>> Someone should be held accountable for all the damage that has been done to
>>>>>>>> the Libertarian Party -- an organization we all have poured time and money
>>>>>>>> into for decades hoping to see it succeed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you for your consideration.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton
>>>>>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> P.S. I voted proudly for Gary Johnson and the other Libertarians on
>>>>>>>> the Pennsylvania ballot today.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For the public's information. A ton of ideological links are, in
>>>>>>>>> fact, broken.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>> From: Chuck Moulton <chuck at moulton.org>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:21 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: LP.org website transition - missing pages (83% data
>>>>>>>>> loss)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What would be useful right now would be if you could point out the
>>>>>>>>>> broken links so that we can assign permanent redirects to them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So anyway, if you'd like to submit broken links, we'd love to set
>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>> additional forwards.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kevin,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Glad to help!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Obviously, it is much easier for you to see what redirects need to
>>>>>>>>> be made, as you have access to the old website, the new website, and the
>>>>>>>>> 404 logs. However, you seem to be having trouble with this, so I'll
>>>>>>>>> provide you with the information you need.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It would be very difficult to compile a list of all incoming links
>>>>>>>>> to lp.org without access to the server logs. Therefore, I used
>>>>>>>>> Google's search results, which is a reasonable proxy for outside links. I
>>>>>>>>> searched for "site:lp.org", then I did followup searches for all
>>>>>>>>> directories I found with "site:lp.org inurl:lp.org/blog" (for
>>>>>>>>> example) because Google does not list all the results it has indexed
>>>>>>>>> without narrow searches. This netted 2,531 unique URLs indexed by Google.
>>>>>>>>> I wrote a program in Python to scrape that information.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Next, Stewart Flood wrote a Perl program to check every URL on my
>>>>>>>>> list and find out whether it threw a 404 error. (He also checked for load
>>>>>>>>> times and other information, which we will highlight in a subsequent
>>>>>>>>> report.) Sorry this took so long... Stewart was busy watching the World
>>>>>>>>> Series. We re-ran the script several times this week to see if staff added
>>>>>>>>> any redirects... they only added one page: /contribute. The program can be
>>>>>>>>> re-run at any time to track what's been added. Not all of the missing URLs
>>>>>>>>> should necessarily be carried forward, but a lot of historical information
>>>>>>>>> is no longer present.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Our results are included in the attachments. (Note: In the
>>>>>>>>> summary page, these are groupings by directory, not the actual URLs.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Basically, 83% of the webpages indexed by Google have not been
>>>>>>>>> carried over or properly redirected.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In liberty,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton
>>>>>>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>>>>>>> 2006-2008 IT Committee Chair
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stewart Flood
>>>>>>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>>>>>>> 2008-2012 IT Committee Chair
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>
>
>
>
>
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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