[Lnc-business] LP.org website transition - missing pages (83% data loss)
Caryn Ann Harlos
carynannharlos at gmail.com
Thu Nov 17 00:27:17 EST 2016
Wes,
Members have been very helpful, and I have received quite a history lesson
on the background of this Bylaws amendment and the fact that this same
scenario with the website happened ten years ago.... (not you or anyone
here ... I know).
So, the background to that Bylaw was the deletion of much of Party history,
including Minutes from 1989-2003. Our Bylaws require all minutes that we
have to be posted. I will be scouring Party members to reconstruct as much
Party history in the form of Minutes that I can.
But meantime, in the site prior to our old one, minutes from 1989-2003 were
listed. They disappeared, but I have an archive file of them.
Unfortunately they are in .html and not .pdf but we have them.
After we get 2003-present updated I will be requesting the 1989-2003 to be
posted. They exist, and are needed.
I won't be, as you requested, checking the present progress for a few weeks
as I understand it is a work in progress.
Please let me know when you want me to send you the 1989-2003 archive.
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 6:37 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Can someone answer me if we have a zip of the old site? I understand it
> is running in parallel right now for staff, but I am really concerned that
> the data will just go poof.
>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 5:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Member Chuck Moulton helpfully wrote to me to say that the agendas get
>> subsumed and are recorded in the minutes so that would satisfy the Bylaws
>> requirement. I think someone could be a pain and argue differently from
>> the Bylaws that a separate "proposed agenda" and not the final agenda is
>> what is required (that is the strict language of the Bylaws) but I
>> certainly think that since the Agendas are reported in the minutes, the
>> complete spirit and intent is fulfilled as long as the proposed agendas are
>> included with prompt posting of the meeting notices. (I note that the July
>> meeting notice was not posted promptly and I don't think the special
>> session in September was ever publicly noticed other than in this list).
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On another note I see "Bylaws compliance" come up in that discussion.
>>> The items that are a subject of Bylaws compliance are old minutes and
>>> agendas. And the Bylaws say those are to be on the "Party website" so
>>> there is no shunting those off to another site. That is not optional under
>>> the Bylaws.
>>>
>>> FWIW, our old site and our new site are not in compliance when it comes
>>> to Agendas. I highly suggest that the Agendas get added - I don't
>>> personally see the value, but the Bylaws requires it.
>>>
>>> If we are not keeping LPedia, any archive that is Party property is not
>>> satisfied by being on LPedia. It is great if it is there, but as pointed
>>> out ,we would not control it.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you Wes for giving that top priority.
>>>>
>>>> On the other issue, the LP could decide to commit to and keep LPedia.
>>>> The only reason handing off is on the table is because we let it fall into
>>>> ruin.
>>>>
>>>> Archiving is entirely different from deleting - and it is still
>>>> available. But I see no reason why the archive cannot be on the LP.org
>>>> site in its own archive section.
>>>>
>>>> Archiving is about designation, organization. and digital location.
>>>>
>>>> There is the issue of our SEO on old links.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2016, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Absolutely. I think we're actually agreeing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please understand that, professionally, I'm in Enterprise Storage and
>>>>> Backup. My entire job revolves around data; keeping it available and
>>>>> secure. I'm not one to "delete" anything, but I'm suggesting that now is
>>>>> the time to take a look at archiving some stuff. By default, we should
>>>>> retain all data. However, it doesn't all need to be on LP.org.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do think that leveraging LPedia is one way to handle it. However, I
>>>>> think LPedia is being handed off to LSLA and I don't think LP National can
>>>>> control LSLA and ensure Bylaws compliance. (As a side note, I'm an LPedia
>>>>> contributor and I think it's a good project).
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-11-16 05:30, Starchild wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure Ken, let's take a look. If you or someone else suggest that a
>>>>> particular document or category of materials be transferred to another
>>>>> site, and everyone looks at it and agrees it doesn't need to be maintained
>>>>> on LP.org, fine. But if you try to use the implementation of a site
>>>>> revamp as an opportunity to by fait accompli bury or trash material that
>>>>> other people don't want buried or trashed, then the next time you want to
>>>>> update the website (or anything else), some people are likely to remember
>>>>> what you tried to do this time and not trust you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>>> @StarchildSF
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 15, 2016, at 9:01 PM, Ken Moellman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> As a new member of the LNC, I wasn't involved in any of the original
>>>>> decisions. I would have said the same thing then, too. This is the right
>>>>> time to examine content. Why move over what is unnecessary? Let's take a
>>>>> look now.
>>>>>
>>>>> There was also talk at one time - several years ago - of splitting the
>>>>> website into two sites; one all about marketing the LP, and the other for
>>>>> the back-office and more technical stuff (like bylaws and meeting minutes
>>>>> and whatnot). Both publicly available, but one being very simple and the
>>>>> other being more of the document repository and archive.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd rather not talk about re-engineering a brand new website with the
>>>>> new one being wrapped up. But it's all stuff to think about. I do
>>>>> personally think a sleek "first impression" site might be a worthwhile item
>>>>> to examine.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-11-15 23:04, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> And - as I said. The prediction of members is coming true. It was
>>>>> said then that this move would be an excuse to delete content. I get
>>>>> called paranoid.... and now we see an apologetic for just that.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is sentiment to delete content and there was "appears" to
>>>>> be purposeful ideological rebranding of the masthead that should be an LNC
>>>>> level decision.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just like members expressed fears about and were assured would not
>>>>> happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> And now are said to be paranoid. Or characterized as hyper critics.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2016, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not about the cost of storage, really, but the amount of clutter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For instance, somewhere I have every email I have ever sent or
>>>>>> received (except 94-97). Why? It's not like I look at them. And it makes
>>>>>> searching for something that much more difficult.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I never quite get around to purging out data I don't need anymore
>>>>>> because I never have a reason to even get into that old mail. If I ever had
>>>>>> a reason, I might start cleaning it up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I even went and re-purchased a software license for $25 because it
>>>>>> wasn't worth my time to go back through all of that data to try to save
>>>>>> $25.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The point is to avoid being a hoarder. While keeping 20-year-old
>>>>>> newspapers in stacks around the house has no monetary cost, there are other
>>>>>> hidden and not so hidden costs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While we're going through the house anyway, let's toss some garbage.
>>>>>> It wasn't garbage 20 years ago, certainly, but now.... well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2016-11-15 18:32, Starchild wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Were we somehow running into space limitations on how much is stored
>>>>>> at LP.org? I'm not aware of any such issue. Assuming there is no
>>>>>> urgency on getting older material off the site, I think any content
>>>>>> proposed to be removed from LP.org should first be submitted to the
>>>>>> LNC, so that any of us can flag for discussion any material that we
>>>>>> *don't* believe should be transferred (what you said about the
>>>>>> decision being "conscientiously made"). LPedia.org would be a
>>>>>> natural place to archive older, less useful material, but that site needs
>>>>>> to be made fully functional and accessible. Unless there is some kind of
>>>>>> urgent technical need, I don't think anything should be removed from
>>>>>> LP.org, or not ported over to the revamped site, until it has an
>>>>>> immediate new home where members can readily access it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>>>> @StarchildSF
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 15, 2016, at 2:53 PM, Ken Moellman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a question of whether or not we should let some data
>>>>>> expire. At some point, the value of the information decreases to a point
>>>>>> that it is practically useless. At that point, it should be archived, but
>>>>>> not kept on the main site. But what goes away is a decision that should be
>>>>>> conscientiously made by someone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is the old website still hiding somewhere where the LNC members can
>>>>>> access it? It might be good to dump every node from the old Drupal site
>>>>>> and have some decision-makers determine the value of each page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wes - My 3PM went long and I have another engagement until 8PM. If
>>>>>> you're around after 8:30PM Eastern feel free to give me a call.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2016-11-15 17:06, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sam - while clever - there is absolutely zero reason we should have
>>>>>> data loss simply because we have a new site. That must be a conscious LNC
>>>>>> decision. I do not intend on letting this drop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Further - and as you know because I was one of the loudest
>>>>>> complaining members - members were assured that there would be no content
>>>>>> culling. Members then expressed skepticism at that promise and felt they
>>>>>> were being a fed a load of hooey.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's not show that they in fact were.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The look of the site is nice. The ideological rebranding and the
>>>>>> loss of content is precisely what members were promised would not happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless the LNC makes some decision on this to settle it- and then
>>>>>> members can act accordingly - I have zero intention of letting this drop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is unacceptable and against all assurances given to our members.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will note well that a lot of that content was generated and put up
>>>>>> by paid staff. Paid by members. And now gone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Grumpy cat says nope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To answer Ken's question. Unless we are going to concede the LNC and
>>>>>> website committee lied to members, then no one can make a decision to omit
>>>>>> content. And in any event that is not APRC. APRC could potentially
>>>>>> require that this Bylaws violation be done before anything else. But the
>>>>>> rest is outside their scope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is an LNC level decision.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just like the purposeful masthead rebranding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2016, Sam Goldstein <
>>>>>> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ken,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is the most recent version of the Policy Manual that I have on
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> computer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And yes, every single document generated by a member of the party
>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>> the past 40 years must be on the web site for total transparency.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sam
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>> Member at Large
>>>>>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>>>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>>>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>>>>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wes, as soon as I get done with this 3PM call I'll reach out to
>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2016-11-15 14:18, Wes Benedict wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ken, the technical issues with the website definitely have not been
>>>>>>>> resolved.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>>>>>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.orgfacebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>>>>>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/15/2016 2:09 PM, Ken Moellman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Caryn, et al -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I believe the technical issues have been resolved with the website
>>>>>>>> at this point. Things look like they're moving pretty quickly and cleanly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know there are issues with the new website regarding content, and
>>>>>>>> we definitely need to resolve them. Certainly we need to put meeting
>>>>>>>> minutes back online, in compliance with the bylaws. Assuming the technical
>>>>>>>> issues are resoled, I'm sure that will happen in the near future.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But this brings up a larger issue: does everything from before need
>>>>>>>> to be there? How far back do we go? Should every bit of content from the
>>>>>>>> old site be available on the new site?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, I still can't find the Policy Manual, so I don't know if APRC
>>>>>>>> need to approve additions and/or subtractions from the website. If not the
>>>>>>>> APRC, who decides when data expires?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2016-11-15 13:56, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No word yet on this missing data I suppose?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was directed to a link I needed for research and..... a 404
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20040814.pdf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is not acceptable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> , Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Moulton supplemented:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LNC members,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I want to follow up on this point. I was just looking at 404
>>>>>>>>> errors before. In fact, the problem is much, much, much, much worse.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The candidate listings that do exist (are not 404 errors, were
>>>>>>>>> properly redirected) are mostly just stubs that include only their names.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> These are our statewide candidates in Pennsylvania:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/edward-clifford/
>>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/james-babb/
>>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/roy-minet/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It might be hard to tell they are our statewide candidates because
>>>>>>>>> their listings include only the following information:
>>>>>>>>> * LP logo
>>>>>>>>> * Name
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Their listings DO NOT INCLUDE any of the following information:
>>>>>>>>> * State
>>>>>>>>> * Office/district
>>>>>>>>> * Picture
>>>>>>>>> * Biography
>>>>>>>>> * Website link
>>>>>>>>> * Facebook
>>>>>>>>> * Twitter
>>>>>>>>> * Contact info
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you think this problem is limited to states with less political
>>>>>>>>> connections, you are wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here are a few listings from people running very active campaigns:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/aaron-starr/
>>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/arvin-vohra/
>>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/lily-tang-williams/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (Disclosure note: I donated to Aaron Starr's campaign.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here are a few other candidates you may recognize:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/norm-olsen/
>>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/roland-riemers/ (404 error)
>>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/patrick-mcknight/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here is one of the few candidate pages with actual information:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/mark-miller/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Note that even that trails off at the end... "As an experienced
>>>>>>>>> PhD petroleum engineer and former UT petroleum engineering faculty member,
>>>>>>>>> he will undoubtedly be the most qualified candidate on the November 201".
>>>>>>>>> Also the Facebook and Twitter links are broken. And it doesn't mention
>>>>>>>>> what office he is seeking. Nice that the LNC donated thousands of dollars
>>>>>>>>> to his campaign... too bad no one bothered to spend 5 minutes fixing the
>>>>>>>>> errors in his candidate listing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course, his old page does not redirect:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/mark-a-miller/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John Moore is a 404 page:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/john-moore/
>>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/john-moore/
>>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/john-moore/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As is Laura Ebke:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/laura-ebke/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TODAY IS ELECTION DAY. What a wasted opportunity!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe if we hadn't shut down our working website 2 weeks before
>>>>>>>>> the election and replaced it with a buggy new website with 83% data loss
>>>>>>>>> and long load times (using a lot of precious staff time at their busiest
>>>>>>>>> period), we could have listed and promoted some of our candidates.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please, please, PLEASE exercise some actual oversight as a board
>>>>>>>>> and do something about the critical and embarrassing error torpedoing one
>>>>>>>>> of our greatest assets (on the eve of the election): our national
>>>>>>>>> lp.org website.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've received feedback asking me if I was being over the top or
>>>>>>>>> facetious suggesting someone should be FIRED or REMOVED FROM THE LNC over
>>>>>>>>> this. I was not. I am completely serious. What was done to the website
>>>>>>>>> goes beyond a harmless error. It goes beyond reckless. It was NEGLIGENT.
>>>>>>>>> Someone should be held accountable for all the damage that has been done to
>>>>>>>>> the Libertarian Party -- an organization we all have poured time and money
>>>>>>>>> into for decades hoping to see it succeed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your consideration.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton
>>>>>>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> P.S. I voted proudly for Gary Johnson and the other Libertarians
>>>>>>>>> on the Pennsylvania ballot today.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For the public's information. A ton of ideological links are, in
>>>>>>>>>> fact, broken.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>> From: Chuck Moulton <chuck at moulton.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:21 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: LP.org website transition - missing pages (83% data
>>>>>>>>>> loss)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What would be useful right now would be if you could point out
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> broken links so that we can assign permanent redirects to them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So anyway, if you'd like to submit broken links, we'd love to
>>>>>>>>>>> set up
>>>>>>>>>>> additional forwards.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kevin,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Glad to help!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Obviously, it is much easier for you to see what redirects need
>>>>>>>>>> to be made, as you have access to the old website, the new website, and the
>>>>>>>>>> 404 logs. However, you seem to be having trouble with this, so I'll
>>>>>>>>>> provide you with the information you need.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It would be very difficult to compile a list of all incoming
>>>>>>>>>> links to lp.org without access to the server logs. Therefore, I
>>>>>>>>>> used Google's search results, which is a reasonable proxy for outside
>>>>>>>>>> links. I searched for "site:lp.org", then I did followup
>>>>>>>>>> searches for all directories I found with "site:lp.org inurl:
>>>>>>>>>> lp.org/blog" (for example) because Google does not list all the
>>>>>>>>>> results it has indexed without narrow searches. This netted 2,531 unique
>>>>>>>>>> URLs indexed by Google. I wrote a program in Python to scrape that
>>>>>>>>>> information.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Next, Stewart Flood wrote a Perl program to check every URL on my
>>>>>>>>>> list and find out whether it threw a 404 error. (He also checked for load
>>>>>>>>>> times and other information, which we will highlight in a subsequent
>>>>>>>>>> report.) Sorry this took so long... Stewart was busy watching the World
>>>>>>>>>> Series. We re-ran the script several times this week to see if staff added
>>>>>>>>>> any redirects... they only added one page: /contribute. The program can be
>>>>>>>>>> re-run at any time to track what's been added. Not all of the missing URLs
>>>>>>>>>> should necessarily be carried forward, but a lot of historical information
>>>>>>>>>> is no longer present.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Our results are included in the attachments. (Note: In the
>>>>>>>>>> summary page, these are groupings by directory, not the actual URLs.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Basically, 83% of the webpages indexed by Google have not been
>>>>>>>>>> carried over or properly redirected.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton
>>>>>>>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>>>>>>>> 2006-2008 IT Committee Chair
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Stewart Flood
>>>>>>>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>>>>>>>> 2008-2012 IT Committee Chair
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing listLnc-business at hq.lp.orghttp://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>
>
>
>
>
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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