[Lnc-business] Historic Preservation Committee Version 2
Starchild
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Sat Jan 14 12:56:48 EST 2017
Thanks, Caryn Ann. Based on these assurances and the other information you and Ken have supplied indicating that a good search for hosting providers was undertaken, etc., I will support the motion, despite some concerns over the wording and process.
As a general matter, I think the LNC should make committee appointments rather than just appointing a chair and leaving it to that person appointing others. That's a recipe for committees being stacked, even if a committee chair were not to take the extreme step of failing to appoint anyone else and acting as a committee of one. Hopefully the work in question of preserving the party's history and setting up LPedia as a functional wiki to facilitate this won't be controversial.
After the website has been allowed to sit fallow for so long, enabling that work to get done under the management of someone who understands what needs to happen is certainly a big positive and I really didn't want to oppose getting this going, but I do want to echo Joshua in saying for the record that the wording about appointments could be problematic in other circumstances. Ditto for authorizing expenditures without more detailed language in the motion specifying how the funds are to be spent.
I continue to feel that we need solid procedures for ensuring that all significant expenditures are subject to competitive bidding and a widely visible effort is made to find qualified volunteers prior to staff or contractors being hired or paid to do stuff. Unfortunately we can't count on everyone being as conscientious about spending as you are.
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
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On Jan 14, 2017, at 9:23 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> I am not intending on that paying travel costs. That would be a volunteer gift. I have a local volunteer who is going to be doing an inventory. I do not intend for any of those funds to go for anything other than the records and costs involved with the records. No travel or other expenses. If people need to raise money to do that, they can do it outside this budget.
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> -Caryn Ann
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> On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
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> I was mostly talking about the general categories of expenses – I know you don't know exactly how many records you're dealing with, etc. Digitization is what I'm hearing – any other categories? If you (or anyone else) fly to Virginia or have other travel costs, I assume the party would not be footing the bill for that? Just trying to do due diligence here...
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> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> (415) 625-FREE
> @StarchildSF
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> On Jan 14, 2017, at 8:38 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
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>> It is difficult to say with complete specificity as my initial survey was just that, an initial survey. I would make another trip to VA at some point here. But primarily getting the records digitized for mass viewing and placing on LPedia. There are also some old convention audios and other recordings to be digitized, but those are small compared to the just brute digitization of paper that needs to be done.
>>
>> I would like to organize a volunteer day to go down to that storage unit and completely organize it. Wes has done a fantastic job on getting it useable, but there are still "mystery" boxes. And that is something staff just does not have the time to do, but the loving hands of volunteers could get it done.
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>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
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>> Ah, okay. What preservation project costs would the funding cover in that case?
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>> I'd wait until we actually have a crowdfunding page before considering a donation.
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>> ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> (415) 625-FREE
>> @StarchildSF
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>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
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>>> Web hosting is separate. This is for the preservation project.
>>>
>>> And I'm open to a crowd fund page. How much can I put you down for?
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 9:10 AM Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
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>>> Thanks Sam, Caryn Ann. So the appropriated funds would be going toward web hosting, potentially scanning, anything else?
>>>
>>> Good to hear money is also being raised. It's too bad we don't have a crowdfunding page on the website to facilitate that.
>>>
>>> Love & Liberty,
>>> ((( starchild )))
>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>> @StarchildSF
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 7:57 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>
>>>> And FWIW, some of the activists mobilizing on this have started and we raised about $300 to start. I have one volunteer with access to professional scanning equipment that is donating days of work- the cost benefit analysis there will be shipping. Experimenting with that now on the dime of our funds we pooled.
>>>>
>>>> A committee will explore free and volunteer ways first and foremost to find the most effective. Which may be having a local scanning co. I think it will end up being a combination of all these.
>>>>
>>>> Wes' estimate seems about right for what I saw the cabinets and a lot of the unit. As this goes forward I would make another trip into that unit to organize and sort. We didn't want to impose on Wes's time so only took a peek to get a good general grasp on what was there. It was glorious.
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 8:41 AM Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> It was in the sample motion that Wes proposed as an alternative to the
>>>> one Caryn Ann was working on. I assume that Wes has some idea of
>>>> what this project will cost.
>>>>
>>>> Sam
>>>>
>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>> Member at Large
>>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
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>>>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How was the $5,000 number reached?
>>>>
>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>> @StarchildSF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:
>>>>>> "The LNC establishes a Historical Preservation Committee to help preserve and publish historical documents of the party and to manage LPedia. This committee is granted a
>>>>>> budget of $5,000. Caryn Ann Harlos is appointed chair with
>>>>>> authority to appoint up to four others. This committee will expire at the end of the LNC meeting preceding the 2018 LP National Convention"
>>>>>>
>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> Member at Large
>>>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
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