[Lnc-business] Platform and Bylaws application

Mon Mar 6 00:44:08 EST 2017

Daniel did not pursue that and that is the only other suggestion - once
floated - and dropped.  Daniel did not volunteer to continue the
discussion.  I did and I think my POV is one of 4 members perhaps
(certainly of Arvin and I)- enough to float a motion if I am correct but
that shouldn't even be necessary.

And yes they could.  They could write love  poems and green cheese
proposals.  But as we have taken it upon ourselves to suggest things, the
one thing that is absolutely directly relevant and a key point that some of
us explicitly want to review, it is equipping the candidates to assist the
LNC.

Again the resistance is baffling.  I never  dreamed my compromise
reasonable request in email would blow up to such a controversy.

And one member should not have complete control over the very important
wording of the application .

As the Chair directed, we need to work it out amongst ourselves which is
more than just a unilateral decision.

I mean do we actually have to have a motion and vote?

I really hope not.

My request is reasonable and relevant.  I really would like us to just get
this out and move on to other work here and in our state parties.

-Caryn Ann

On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 10:33 PM Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tim, they DO have that option.  They can discuss anything they want to.
>
> -Alicia
>
> On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Is the cheeseburger in the Happy Meal made with green cheese?
>
> I would also support having an option for applicants for the Platform
> Committee to discuss political philosophy. On the other hand, it's not a
> factor that I would consider for the Bylaws Committee.
>
> Tim Hagan
>
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> *From:* Aaron Starr <starrcpa at gmail.com>
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 7:59 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Platform and Bylaws application
>
> Colleagues,
>
> Since my name came up, I figured I would respond.
>
> If there is one thing we have no shortage of in this party, it is people
> who know philosophy. That’s especially true with people who want to serve
> on a Platform Committee. Where we *do* have a shortage is in people who
> will actually do work and who can turn an idea into a well-crafted written
> proposal stated in grammatically correct English.
>
> When I mentioned having applicants write a proposal about “green cheese” I
> wasn’t suggesting that we ask applicants to come up with a platform
> proposal on that particular topic. My main point was that I want to see
> them put forward a written proposal, any proposal. Of course, if they
> actually do submit a proposal on green cheese, I will likely conclude that
> the applicant is several fries short of a Happy Meal.
>
> Aaron Starr
> (805) 583-3308 Home
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> starrcpa at gmail.com
>
> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 6:26 PM
> *To:* Libertarian National Committee list
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Platform and Bylaws application
>
> Whitney, it might for the one item they propose but that is one item that
> might be minor and not really philosophically based.  And as Aaron said
> during the meeting, the proposal could be about "green cheese" (I believe
> that was his example but if not exactly, it is similar) - it was to prove
> they could put a thought together.
>
> A sample proposal itself is pretty limited and just because one proposal
> might be a bit "off" they still could have a good grasp but need some
> guidance on what is appropriate fodder for a platform.
>
> Some people when in a productive group, as long as they have a foundation,
> can be focused as long as they have the principles.
>
> And this is precisely the discussion I wanted - thank you so much for your
> input.
>
> - Caryn Ann
>
> On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 7:23 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Whitney I prefer my wording, but am open to a discussion. And yes I agree
> - optional - just like all of the other items.  My original position was
> required, and then seeing the proposed application language, I compromised
> to "optional" in an attempt to work things out.
>
> What libertarianism means to someone can be different from what is
> relevant to the platform.  That is what is wonderful about it - there is a
> lot of freedom in personal application.
>
> On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 7:19 PM, Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Regardless of what transpired between the members involved so far, I could
> support the inclusion of an OPTIONAL item regarding the applicant's basic
> understanding of our Party's principles.
>
> Could it could be as simple as "Briefly describe what libertarianism means
> to you...."?
>
> Whitney
>
>
> On Mar 5, 2017 1:13 PM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Fellow members
>
> Last LNC meeting we decided to solicit applications for the LNC appointed
> members of the Bylaws and Platform Committees and some discussion arose on
> what should be included in the application request.  The final
> responsibility for getting a notice out and organizing responses lies with
> the Party Secretary but Nick directed that as far as content that we should
> work it out amongst ourselves.  To that end I volunteered to work with
> Alicia.  We have communicated but I am not satisfied that the result was
> working it out amongst ourselves. The result was that nothing was
> substantially changed from years past.
>
> Arvin and I (and I believe at least Starchild and David concur) believe
> that a request for a brief understanding of Libertarian philosophy should
> be included.  I softened that request to be in line with the way the form
> is currently written to be a "suggestion" (rather than a requirement)  for
> such along with other suggestions that the applicant could choose among.
> This was rejected and I just don't think that is a reasonable way to work
> it out amongst ourselves.  The result is no different than if I didn't
> volunteer input.
>
> I would like other members to weigh in on this.  I'm not trying to be
> difficult but I just don't think reasonable requests should be summarily
> rejected.
>
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