[Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors for motion to support campaign of Joe Buchman
Sam Goldstein
goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com
Mon Jul 10 12:20:25 EDT 2017
Although I have a great deal of respect for Joe Buchman and have worked
with him on the
Platform Committee, to be consistent with my prior statements on supporting
candidates,
I would not be in favor of funding any campaign until the LNC has a firm
procedure, policy
and budget for doing so. We cannot continue to take actions like this
helter-skelter.
LIve Free,
Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
Member at Large
8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
Indianapolis IN 46260
317-850-0726 Phone
317-582-1773 Fax
On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 8:34 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Very good points Starchild and both views are represented in our
> membership.
>
> I certainly hope we don't divisively "take sides" on that.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:07 AM Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> You're certainly not the first Libertarian to express a disappointed
>> emotional reaction to a candidate's realistic appraisal of his or her
>> chances, but to you and any other Libertarian who has felt this way, I say
>> take heart! One can lose in conventional terms and still win in libertarian
>> terms. A *conventional* win means the warm body you support occupying
>> the sought-after office. A *libertarian* win, however, means advancing
>> the cause of freedom! Such wins can happen in any number of ways – building
>> momentum for a future run, exposing more people to libertarian ideas,
>> building the party, etc. Of course the cause of freedom is *usually*
>> more likely to be advanced by a Libertarian occupying the sought-after
>> office than by not occupying it – but it isn't the be-all, end-all it's too
>> often made out to be. In some ways, the real fight begins *after* an
>> election is won. If an elected Libertarian isn't mentally prepared to stick
>> to his or her libertarian principles and positions, or doesn't have solidly
>> libertarian principles or positions to begin with, the real, post-election
>> fight for what s/he will do in office is as good as lost. Amid the statist
>> culture and pressures in which s/he will be immersed, such an elected
>> Libertarian will have little chance of surviving with an agenda to advance
>> the cause of freedom intact.
>>
>> *Predicting* an election loss also isn't the same thing as *conceding*.
>> When a candidate *concedes* a race, s/he is saying "the campaign is
>> over, my opponent won". Clearly Joe Buchman is saying no such thing! From
>> appearances, he is running and will continue to run a vigorous campaign and
>> seek as much exposure for our ideas and as many votes as possible. He is
>> running to win in libertarian terms. But is it wise to predict a loss at
>> the ballot box? While miracles occasionally do happen and I've suggested
>> candidates leave the perceptions door open by not entirely ruling out the
>> possibility of getting elected, I would much rather see a Libertarian
>> fighting a long-shot campaign – and this is obviously a long-shot campaign;
>> no Libertarian has come close to being elected to Congress – say flat-out
>> that s/he won't win, than to flat-out say that s/he will. Any candidate
>> facing those kind of odds who predicts electoral victory is either
>> deceiving him/herself, or attempting to deceive others. The former shows a
>> poor grasp of reality, while the latter shows a lack of integrity. Neither
>> reflects well on the candidate! Joe, by contrast, showed his good character
>> by giving an honest and realistic assessment of his chances. For every
>> person out there who thinks, 'I want to vote for someone who tells me
>> s/he's going to win', I believe there's another person out there thinking,
>> 'I want to vote for someone who has integrity and tells the truth'. To
>> which type of voter mentality should we, as the Party of Principle, be
>> trying to appeal?
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>>
>> ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> RealReform at earthlink.net
>> (415) 625-FREE
>> @StarchildSF
>>
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:00 AM, Ken Moellman wrote:
>>
>> I found out about this campaign yesterday (now, 2 days ago) and the
>> referenced KSL interview almost immediately starts with the candidate
>> saying "I'm not going to win." It made me sad. More importantly, I can't
>> agree to give money to someone who has already conceded the race. I mean,
>> what is the money going to be used for? Losing better?
>>
>> By contrast, from what I can see, candidates like Laura Ebke and at least
>> one of the recent converts in NH are gearing up re-election campaigns with
>> the intent to win. They certainly haven't publicly conceded, anyway. There
>> are lots of candidates throughout the country gearing up for 2018 races. 4
>> L converts and many other candidates looking to run winnable races.
>>
>> If this body decides to support candidates, I'd really rather see this
>> body support candidates that are running to win.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:18 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everyone, I received the below request from Dr. Joe Buchman (Utah)
>>> and have been speaking with him about this for the past few weeks. I would
>>> like us to consider assisting him to our maximum allowed of 5K.
>>>
>>> ========
>>>
>>> To the members of the LNC:
>>>
>>> The resignation of Representative Chaffetz nine days ago from the Third
>>> District of Utah has created a Special Election to be held 7 November
>>> 2017.
>>>
>>> Joe Buchman is the Libertarian Candidate for that seat and following a
>>> special election convention by the Libertarian Party of Utah is on the
>>> ballot for November 7th. There is a Democratic opponent. Three
>>> Republicans will face each other in a primary next month.
>>>
>>> See: https://elections.utah.gov/election-resources/2017-
>>> candidate-filings
>>>
>>> This is, we believe, the only remaining contest for federal office in
>>> 2017 with a Libertarian candidate.
>>>
>>> To date Dr. Buchman has invested $1,000.00 of his personal funds in the
>>> campaign and has raised approximately $250.00 from other donors, with
>>> promises for about $500 in process.
>>>
>>> Joe has just been scheduled as the sole guest for the first hour of
>>> Coast to Coast AM, a national networked late-night radio talk show with an
>>> estimated *2.5 million listeners*, for *Saturday evening, July 29th,
>>> 10:05PM to 11:00PM Pacific time*. Past show hosts Art Bell and Rollye
>>> James were self-identified Libertarians, and past guests have included
>>> Judge Jim Gray, Michael Badnarik, Aaron Russo, Harry Browne, Andre Marrou
>>> and Dr. Buchman himself (in 2008, when he last ran for the US Congress).
>>>
>>> See: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/search/?query=libertarian
>>>
>>> Joe will be discussing his campaign for the US Congress, his platform as
>>> an expression of the NAP and Self-Ownership paradigms, will be directing
>>> listeners to his website and will be requesting donations. The Coast to
>>> Coast website will also provide a link to his campaign site -
>>> www.GotoL.vote
>>>
>>> This is a request for national party funding for this singularly
>>> important Special Election campaign.
>>>
>>> The resignation of Representative Chaffetz has already generated
>>> significant national media attention, and this race is likely to continue
>>> to generate national media coverage as the replacement of Congressman
>>> Chaffetz will reflect, to some degree, a measure of voter confidence in the
>>> Trump administration.
>>>
>>> The Libertarian Party nationally will benefit from this election, the
>>> last of 2017 to include a Libertarian candidate for federal office.
>>>
>>> If a funding agreement can be reached prior to the show, Dr. Buchman
>>> would then appeal to Coast to Coast listeners with a promise that any
>>> donations received during the show will be matched dollar-for-dollar. The
>>> show will be replayed and will also be available as a download from the
>>> network website.
>>>
>>> Joe has been interviewed by three local papers (the Salt Lake Tribune,
>>> Deseret News and City Weekly) and by KSL Radio's Doug Wright.
>>>
>>> That 9 minute radio interview can be found at:
>>>
>>> https://www.ksl.com/?nid=1388&a=11898
>>>
>>> Bottom line: Joe is experienced with media interviews, had a prior
>>> career in radio (including working with Bill Redpath at WTTS radio in the
>>> 1970s), is passionate about both Libertarian political pragmatism and
>>> philosophy, *and is currently scheduled for one of the most visible
>>> media appearances by any Libertarian Candidate this month* (and perhaps
>>> for the remainder of this year).
>>>
>>> This special election creates something of a special case for funding;
>>> an amount equivalent to that provided to the recent candidate in Montana
>>> would seem equitable.
>>>
>>> With gratitude for your consideration of this request,
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> PS If you do choose to listen to the KSL interview and/or to review the
>>> website and links to the print interviews there; ALL feedback, suggestions
>>> for improvement are also welcomed.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> *We defend your rights*
>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
>
>
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