[Lnc-business] Fwd: [Lnc-votes] Resignation From LPF

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

An email I sent to Region 1 Chairs.

Region 1 Chairs:

I want to give you a heads up about an issue that has developed in the
Libertarian Party of Florida.  There is no action proposed, and hopefully
the LPF and Florida Libertarians will straighten things out, but I didn't
want you to first hear of this elsewhere, and I solicit your opinions.

Several candidates (current and former) and a past chair have made
allegations that there is an issue with an attempted takeover of the LPF by
ethno-nationalists with threats and intimidation made to those who
dissent.  The Regional Representative for that region believes that Florida
has its issues under control and there is no need for LNC action.  I have
taken a look at the circumstances and firmly believe that the complaints
have merit and warrant serious concern.  However, as you know, I am
strongly disinclined for the National Party to interfere with any
affiliate.  In fact, we cannot unless there is a situation so dire that
disaffiliation is warranted.

I will be happy to speak with you on this during our quarterly conferences
which I will be setting in a few weeks, and of course you can call me at
any time.  If things do progress to any proposed action, I certainly want
to  know the will of Region 1.  While I have hope that issues will resolve,
this has been simmering for several years and can easily come to a head.

-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

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On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>
> Wes,
>
> I'm surprised to hear you say that. How do you feel Augustus Invictus was
> often bullied by libertarians? How do you think libertarians *should*
> have reacted to Invictus, who sought the LP's nomination for U.S. Senate,
> in light of, for instance, stuff like this (from http://
> independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/orlando-sentinel-
> goat-blood-drinking-orlando-man-had-key-billing-for-charlottesville-rally/
> )?
>
> Orlando Sentinel: ‘Goat-blood drinking Orlando man had key billing for
> Charlottesville rally’
> Excerpt from Steven Lemongello in the Orlando Sentinel
> <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/os-steven-lemongello-bio-staff.html#nt=byline>
> by way of Cody Quirk at ATPR
> <https://amthirdpartyreport.com/2017/08/15/goat-blood-drinking-orlando-man-had-key-billing-for-charlottesville-rally/>
> :
>
> Invictus, 34, was listed as a featured marcher for the Saturday event,
> which was roundly condemned after marchers carried Nazi flags, performed
> Hitler salutes and chanted white supremacist and anti-Semitic sayings while
> carrying torches. He could not be reached for comment Monday.
>
> Invictus lost the 2016 Libertarian primary for U.S. Senate in Florida to
> Paul Stanton, but not before state Chairman Adrian Wyllie resigned in
> protest. The Libertarian Party of Seminole County also disbanded and its
> chair, Don Menzel, resigned in protest of his candidacy. Wyllie alleged at
> the time Invictus wanted to lead a civil war in the country, recruit
> neo-Nazis to the party and supported a eugenics program.
>
> Invictus denied he had white supremacist sympathies at the time, but the
> Tampa Bay Times reported Monday white nationalist leader Richard Spencer
> credited Invictus with writing a first draft of the “Charlottesville
> Statement”.
>
> The statement, according to the Times, has tenets including, “Jews are an
> ethno-religious people distinct from Europeans … whites alone defined
> America as a European society and political order .. [and] the so-called
> ‘refugee crisis’ is an invasion, a war without bullets, taking place on the
> fields of race, religion, sex and morality.’’…
>
>
> Can there be any doubt that Invictus does have white supremacist views,
> his denial reported above notwithstanding? In a January, 2016 letter "To
> the People of Europe", he writes in part (excerpted from http://
> independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/03/augustus-invictus-
> letter-to-the-people-of-europe/ ):
>
> "We share a common bond that the millions of immigrants recently recruited
> to our ancestral land will never share. *We*, as Westerners, are
> brothers, though long-separated; *they* are foreigners being imported by
> your own governments to destroy the proud heritage and people of Europe...
>
> We of European blood are European, and the soil of Europe is *our* land,
> the land of our ancestors, the land that bore our people, our civilization,
> our culture. Your leaders abandoned long ago their innate drive to conquer
> and to civilize. That was sad enough. Now all the people of Europe seem to
> all the world to have abandoned the primal instinct – or even the basic
> desire – to defend one’s home.
>
> People of Europe, do not express regret for your history. The blood of
> sea-conquering Vikings and world-shaking Romans still courses through your
> veins. And if you saw now the faces of your ancestors before you, would you
> feel proud of yourself and the civilization you have worked to uphold? Or
> would you feel ashamed of your weakness and of the decadence we have all
> perpetuated?
>
> People of Europe, do not feel shame for your blood. You have been taught
> to hate yourselves because of the cruelty of your ancestors, but your
> ancestors were marked as much for their virtues as for any vice. It was our
> ancestors who braved the waters and conquered distant lands, yes to obtain
> their gold and spices, but also to give to them civilization. Our ancestors
> were simultaneously the war-bringers and the light-bearers. As Nietzsche
> once wrote, terribleness is part of greatness...
> You, the people of Europe, must do your duty, as your ancestors did
> centuries ago. Once more you must reclaim your lands and hold them sacred.
> You must defend them, and you must execute the traitors."
>
>
>
> Should that kind of talk be considered acceptable from candidates or
> leaders of the Libertarian Party? I believe in a "big tent" in terms of
> letting anyone join the party, attend our events, etc. Like you I would
> rather engage with people and be nice to them than simply drive them away.
> But when it comes to holding leadership roles in the party – being
> candidates, delegates, or party officers or employees – I think we need to
> draw a line. And short of messing with the Dallas Accord agreement not to
> officially side with either anarchism or minarchism as the ultimate goal,
> we should always say clearly and unambiguously what we stand for. That
> should be libertarianism, not nationalism and especially not its kissing
> cousin ethno-nationalism. Do you disagree?
>
> Love & Liberty,
>
>                                  ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>                          RealReform at earthlink.net
>                                 (415) 625-FREE
>                                   @StarchildSF
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Wes Benedict wrote:
>
> Caryn Ann,
>
> I've often felt that Augustus Invictus was bullied by libertarians. Do you
> think he was bullied?
>
> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314(202) 333-0008 ext. 232 <(202)%20333-0008>, wes.benedict at lp.orgfacebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>
> On 10/27/2017 2:31 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> Prediction: those who speak out here will be targeted.
>
> Keeps others from speaking out.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 12:24 PM David Demarest <dprattdemarest at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I agree that there are limits to what the LNC can do in this matter. What
>> the LNC can do is inspire and empower individual Libertarians to be fully
>> informed with a full set of principles and accurate facts so they
>> individually use voluntary economic and social ostracism in an appropriate,
>> just and effective manner to deal with thinly-disguised authoritarian
>> threats exemplified by the nonsense in Florida.
>>
>> Physical threats are a serious matter that cuts to the core of what
>> Libertarianism stands for. Political correctness and ridicule of those who
>> take a stand against bigotry is not a principled answer.
>>
>> Regardless, threats or no threats, memes or no memes, I will speak out at
>> every opportunity against mindless bigotry that goes hand-in-hand with
>> authoritarianism and nationalism, as I am doing now. We all have a choice
>> on how we deal with ethno-nationalism. I hope for the sake of the LP and
>> the Libertarian movement that we individual Libertarians choose wisely.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>
>> On Oct 27, 2017 12:52 PM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Larry I don't disagree with you.  That has been my position.  And unless
>>> we want to disaffiliate it's like pulling a gun.  Don't do that unless you
>>> intend to shoot.
>>>
>>> I just wanted to be clear that I've been reading material, also
>>> comparing it with my past experiences, and then that "response" by Ramsey
>>> and I'm not buying that there isn't a problem.  What gets done must be
>>> spearheaded by Florida Libertarians.
>>>
>>> I'm not fooled IOW.  And honestly I came to the realization of how toxic
>>> this may be, particularly to women in the Party, who would leave silently.
>>> I asked myself if I would stick around that.  The answer is not an
>>> unequivocal yes.
>>>
>>> I stand by my comments that there is a bullying and threatening issue
>>> with the far left as well.  There was a threat to bring ANTIFA to our
>>> convention.  There is condemnation of the idea of property ownership and we
>>> don't have to look too far into history to see where that leads.  And
>>> violence has been discussed.  I see it too.  And believe we have a shameful
>>> reluctance to call that what it is.  It's not a matter of equivalency or
>>> comparing thresholds of damage.  It's about defending libertarian ideas.
>>>
>>>
>>> The fact is that these two sides feed on each other.  The existence of
>>> one gives the other propaganda.
>>>
>>> We must continue to keep on the northward libertarian route.
>>>
>>> But make no mistake- there IS an ethno-nationalist issue in Florida.
>>>
>>> Read Ramsey's response.  If you do not see manipulative gas lighting
>>> then you lack discernment.
>>>
>>> If all we can do is personally say to those complaining- yes I see what
>>> you are saying.  You are not imagining things- that is valuable.
>>>
>>> We are a limited power body.  We can resist the urge to think we can or
>>> should intervene in everything.  But that does not mean not seeing the
>>> thing.  I see it.
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 11:32 AM Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sagely spoken once again my friend.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 27, 2017, at 12:28 PM, Larry Sharpe <lsharpe at neo-sage.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My two cents,
>>>>
>>>> Ed and Steven both say leave it alone. So, leave it alone.
>>>>
>>>> They may be wrong, but the odds of them being wrong are far lower than
>>>> the odds of our meddling making things worse.
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 27, 2017 12:22, "David Demarest" <dprattdemarest at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree with Caryn Ann, there sure is a lot of smoke in Florida. It is
>>>>> time to stop pooh-poohing this thinly-disguised bigotry, ethno-nationalism
>>>>> and power-grab threat to both Florida and national Libertarianism; stop
>>>>> sweeping it under the rug and take a serious look at the matter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Disagreements on the application of the NAP, while a serious matter,
>>>>> are understandable. Disagreements on mindless bigotry and
>>>>> ethno-nationalism, however, will be a malignant cancer on the LP and
>>>>> Libertarian movement if not addressed promptly and assertively.
>>>>>
>>>>> I reiterate, not tolerating intolerance is NOT bigotry. Tolerance in
>>>>> defense of intolerance is a VICE. This should be a no-brainer to all
>>>>> Libertarians. Bigots and ethno-nationalist power-grabbers must not be part
>>>>> of our target market. They will only use us to achieve their nefarious
>>>>> goals that will undermine our credibility. Like Wes and Nick, I ask
>>>>> pseudo-Libertarians who think otherwise to promptly take their political
>>>>> business elsewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> We can follow the lead of Nick and Wes and use the tool of voluntary
>>>>> individual economic and social ostracism to bring this insidious threat to
>>>>> a screeching halt. Disaffiliation, while a last resort, can be an effective
>>>>> institutional tool of economic and social ostracism, fully consistent with
>>>>> even a strict interpretation of the NAP, to effectively deal with this
>>>>> potentially lethal threat to Libertarianism.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is time to clean this mindless evil out of the LP and Libertarian
>>>>> movement before it gets out of control, impacts our political agenda and
>>>>> undermines our heroic goal of freedom, nothing more, nothing less.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 27, 2017 9:29 AM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just read a "response" by Ryan Ramsey and it has all the marks of
>>>>>> an aggressive gas lighting campaign.  After I read that letter, my "knower"
>>>>>> knew that there are too many testimonies that ring true.  There is a very
>>>>>> manipulative game going on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is definitely something very toxic going on in Florida.  I am
>>>>>> going to be speaking to my Region 1 Chairs about this as I make my
>>>>>> quarterly conferences with them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:52 AM Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If there is clear evidence of (1) a current Florida LP state-level
>>>>>>> official making clearly racist statements, or clear and credible threats of
>>>>>>> violence, and (2) the Florida LP leadership being aware of this and taking
>>>>>>> no action whatsoever to condemn it or distance the Florida LP from it, I
>>>>>>> think perhaps a letter of concern from the LNC would be in order. If the
>>>>>>> Florida LP leadership offered no reasonable response to such a letter and
>>>>>>> continued to not take any remedial action, especially if it became clear
>>>>>>> that this was part of a pattern of ignoring racism or serious
>>>>>>> Non-Aggression Principle violations from state leaders, then I would be
>>>>>>> ready to entertain a motion to disaffiliate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But – and I confess I have not read all the links and background on
>>>>>>> this – I'm not sure even the first condition stated above has been met. My
>>>>>>> personal belief is that Ryan Ramsey likely does hold bigoted white
>>>>>>> supremacist type views, but while the the evidence for this may be
>>>>>>> cumulatively compelling (walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc.), it
>>>>>>> also seems to be largely circumstantial. I looked at the American Guard
>>>>>>> website for instance, and didn't find a "smoking gun" of explicitly racist
>>>>>>> material. Now I do think Ramsey's comments about LP chair Nick Sarwark are
>>>>>>> reprehensible and without merit. A sample (more at
>>>>>>> http://archive.is/EMZPY#selection-233.0-233.110):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *"*Nick Sarwark, National Chairman of the Libertarian Party, is the
>>>>>>> poster boy for the Cultural Marxist idiocy that keeps us relegated to
>>>>>>> single digit election returns... *Any question as to whether Mr.
>>>>>>> Sarwark was a lover of liberty, or a Cultural Marxist attempting to hold
>>>>>>> back the advance of the  Libertarian Party, were answered when he made
>>>>>>> national news repeating lies about Milo Yiannopoulos, subject of the
>>>>>>> violence in Berkley, when he insinuated bloodshed to stop free speech was
>>>>>>> 'understandable'... **For those who did not attend the National
>>>>>>> Convention last spring in Orlando, let me tell you how Nick Sarwark was
>>>>>>> re-elected as LP Chairman. He collected a group of loyalists around himself
>>>>>>> to feign running as opposition. Then at the last minute, on the Convention
>>>>>>> floor, they dropped their candidacy and threw their support to the man
>>>>>>> trying to do the Weimar Republic over, as if the Communists will win this
>>>>>>> time. This is why many are starting to  refer to him as 'Nazi Nick',
>>>>>>> despite his Jewish religion. His ignorance of history is astounding,
>>>>>>> especially considering his heritage. It is an ignorance common among the
>>>>>>> products of compulsory government education camps, but unacceptable for
>>>>>>> anyone wishing to lead the third largest political party in the greatest
>>>>>>> nation on the planet. The smug manner in which the leftist infection tries
>>>>>>> to paint President Trump as Hitler is the crowning jewel of their
>>>>>>> ignorance. It is time for a quick history lesson on Germany prior to World
>>>>>>> War Two. Trump is not Hitler, but people like Sarwark are ushering the next
>>>>>>> Hitler in... Behold Nick Sarwark, who claims to lead the party of
>>>>>>> individual freedom, as he ushers his own Jewish people toward the boxcars.
>>>>>>> Nazi Nick, the ultimate in self hatred."*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even if the rumor about Milo Yiannopoulis planning to "out"
>>>>>>> undocumented students during his speech at UC Berkeley, which Yiannopoulis
>>>>>>> ultimately did not do and denied intending to do, was false – I'm not sure
>>>>>>> it was; I wouldn't be surprised if Yiannopoulis, via associates, was the
>>>>>>> source of the rumor, even if he never intended to carry out any such action
>>>>>>> – the point is that if student protesters heard the rumor and sincerely
>>>>>>> believed it, there's an argument to be made that their use of violence to
>>>>>>> stop him from speaking arguably was, to the best of their knowledge at the
>>>>>>> time, a legitimate defensive measure designed to prevent people being
>>>>>>> forcibly kidnapped and deported by the State. I'm not sure Nick intended to
>>>>>>> go that far; the word "understandable" as he used it is somewhat ambiguous
>>>>>>> and does not necessarily imply approval.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regardless, any LP member whose views are so badly skewed as to
>>>>>>> publish a written public article condemning as solidly libertarian a party
>>>>>>> leader as the current LP national chair as a "cultural Marxist" and among
>>>>>>> those who is "usher(ing) his own Jewish people toward the boxcars", is not
>>>>>>> somebody I personally want serving in the party leadership. Coupled with
>>>>>>> the threats that Paul Stanton and Paul Frankel report Ramsey making against
>>>>>>> them and against members of Stanton's family, and Ramsey's connections to
>>>>>>> groups like Rock Against Communism and the American Guard, if I sat on the
>>>>>>> Florida LP Executive Committee and had been voting, I believe I would have
>>>>>>> voted to remove Ramsey from that body if such action is consistent with the
>>>>>>> Florida LP's bylaws. But I don't know whether there was a bylaws issue, or
>>>>>>> why the ExCom majority voted down Paul Stanton's motion for removal. My
>>>>>>> suspicion that they may have made what I believe to be a bad decision isn't
>>>>>>> enough for me to support the LNC formally weighing in or taking action
>>>>>>> vis-a-vis the Florida LP, short of the conditions I describe in the first
>>>>>>> paragraph above being met. Short of removal, I don't know what other steps,
>>>>>>> if any, they have taken, or may yet take.
>>>>>>> But if the LNC does not make any direct formal response to the
>>>>>>> Florida situation, this still leaves the question of what else we can do
>>>>>>> with regard to the broader issue of ethno-nationalism seeping into the
>>>>>>> Libertarian Party. It's been pointed out that the LNC has recently issued a
>>>>>>> strong statement against racism and bigotry; the value of issuing another
>>>>>>> such statement at this time seems dubious. However while we've recently
>>>>>>> addressed the "ethno" aspect of the ethno-nationalist problem, I don't
>>>>>>> think we've adequately addressed nationalism, which is much more pervasive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nationalism is itself, I believe, a form of bigotry akin to racism.
>>>>>>> It is an anti-individualist philosophy which, translated into government
>>>>>>> policy, results in virtually every national government in the world
>>>>>>> wrongfully discriminating against people on the basis of innate
>>>>>>> characteristics beyond their control (where they were born or who their
>>>>>>> parents were). It also tends to lead people to take un-libertarian
>>>>>>> positions, such as being willing to initiate force against immigrants,
>>>>>>> supporting protectionism, and accepting various rights violations in the
>>>>>>> name of "national security". Nationalism can also serve as a cover for
>>>>>>> racism, because nationalist and racist views often dovetail when it comes
>>>>>>> to issues like immigration, racial profiling in the name of "national
>>>>>>> security", the U.S. government killing people in other countries, etc. But
>>>>>>> despite being as repugnant as racism, nationalism has so far largely gotten
>>>>>>> a pass from society including from many (L)ibertarians. If we are serious
>>>>>>> about discouraging the sort of views that are disrupting the Florida LP,
>>>>>>> the LNC issuing a strong statement against nationalism seems like a very
>>>>>>> good idea, and I would support such a resolution. I think we should also
>>>>>>> pay more attention to how our messaging and other practices (e.g. use of
>>>>>>> the American flag) can subtly legitimize and reinforce nationalism in the
>>>>>>> party.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                    ((( starchild )))
>>>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>                          RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>                                  (415) 625-FREE
>>>>>>>                                     @StarchildSF
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with Ken.  And the RR from that area gave their input.  I
>>>>>>> can tell you no Region 1 state would welcome this interference.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So pre-empttively since we seem so eager to get involved in
>>>>>>> affiliates - this RR says don't mess with Region 1 states.  They handle
>>>>>>> their own business.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm hoping Oregon gets on mended terms with National.  This isn't
>>>>>>> the way to show states we learned our lesson from that mess.  Their Board
>>>>>>> voted and unless we think the whole of that leadership are secret nazis
>>>>>>> then we have no right or authority to be second-guessing their decision for
>>>>>>> their state.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I routinely get complaints about such and such going on here and
>>>>>>> there.  I listen, tell them their rights, and say it is for their state to
>>>>>>> handle.  Wes brilliant release said what we needed to.  I wish we would say
>>>>>>> the same to the violent left.  Violence against persons and property is
>>>>>>> unacceptable.  Bigotry and identity collectivism of all kinds is
>>>>>>> unacceptable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Ken Moellman <ken at moellman.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A disaffiliation motion is way too extreme.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think the statement made by either Wes or Nick - I forget who
>>>>>>>> made it - about racism and whatnot being not welcome in the party was
>>>>>>>> enough from LP National.  Disaffiliation would take a serious infraction,
>>>>>>>> IMO.  That a party has internal issues is nothing new and nothing to get
>>>>>>>> involved with.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 9:19 PM, David Demarest <
>>>>>>>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I agree that a disaffiliation investigation motion would open a
>>>>>>>>> can of worms. Perhaps the existing motion calling for a resolution is the
>>>>>>>>> wiser choice. However, it is a catch-22. How can we justify the resolution
>>>>>>>>> if we do not do the necessary due diligence investigation?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ~David Pratt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *May 25-27 2018 Omaha Roads to Freedom Un-Convention*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Freedom, Nothing More, Nothing Less*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Roads to Freedom Foundation, Founder
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LSLA Vice-Chair
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LPNE State Central Committee, Secretary
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LPRC Board Member, Nebraska State Coordinator
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David.Demarest at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Secretary at LPNE.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> DPDemarest at centurylink.net
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> DPrattDemarest at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cell:      402-981-6469 <%28402%29%20981-6469>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Joshua Katz
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2017 1:52 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [Lnc-business] Fwd: [Lnc-votes] Resignation From LPF
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you to both Steven, Paul Frankel, and Tom Knapp for
>>>>>>>>> inserting much-needed facts into this discussion.  In light of these facts,
>>>>>>>>> I think vigilance is called for, but do not think it is appropriate, at
>>>>>>>>> this time, to make a relevant motion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I will note, without getting into the weeds, that while I won't
>>>>>>>>> quibble with facts alleged about Florida, I would disagree with some of the
>>>>>>>>> statements made about certain national groups, or in other ways about the
>>>>>>>>> dangerous movement we face.  I think they are more dangerous than they've
>>>>>>>>> been described here, and while in the past I considered them individually
>>>>>>>>> dangerous, I now consider them to be an organizational threat - and a
>>>>>>>>> threat to the modern world which made freedom possible.  (Murray Rothbard
>>>>>>>>> pointed out, in 1965, that freedom was made possible by the overthrow of
>>>>>>>>> the Ancien Regime, and I think the pre-modern thinking on the right, and
>>>>>>>>> the post-modern thinking on the left, are both creating an environment
>>>>>>>>> where it can return.)  I consider them, at the moment, the most immediate
>>>>>>>>> threat to freedom in our culture, since they have organized and gone beyond
>>>>>>>>> being individual cranks - they now are making moves on the world of ideas,
>>>>>>>>> which controls the rest.  And remember that far too many people associate
>>>>>>>>> us with them.  The Charlottesville morons (if it brings them any comfort, I
>>>>>>>>> think I speak on behalf of all Jews when I say that none of us desire to be
>>>>>>>>> mouth-breathing bigots carrying tiki torches, so their fears about us
>>>>>>>>> replacing them are misplaced) used a banner which was based on the Albany
>>>>>>>>> Plan of Union banner - and one of the snake pieces was labeled L.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In any event, as concerns Florida, I think the analysis is pretty
>>>>>>>>> straightforward, although the determinations are not.  Is there a problem?
>>>>>>>>> I am convinced there is, and I am convinced we should not ignore it and
>>>>>>>>> blind ourselves to it.  Another party tried that approach, as well as
>>>>>>>>> "well, we'll bring them along for their votes on the things we agree
>>>>>>>>> about," and now is largely unable to get candidates who actually favor its
>>>>>>>>> basic ideas through primaries.  The next question, the crucial question, is
>>>>>>>>> - can the affiliate fix it?  (A related, but somewhat different question,
>>>>>>>>> is whether it wants to.)  I think the answer to that is yes.  There is, of
>>>>>>>>> course, a tipping point - a point where rather than try to fix the problem,
>>>>>>>>> good people simply leave, and the ability to fix the problem goes away.
>>>>>>>>> And good people are, it seems clear to me, leaving.  I still do not think
>>>>>>>>> the tipping point has been reached, though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At-Large Representative,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>> From: <travellingcircus at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:21 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Resignation From LPF
>>>>>>>>> To: "Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org" <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>,
>>>>>>>>> Independent Political Report <independent-political-report@
>>>>>>>>> googlegroups.com>, "iprtwo at googlegroups.com" <
>>>>>>>>> iprtwo at googlegroups.com>, erin.adams at lp.org, Whitney Bilyeu <
>>>>>>>>> whitneycb76 at gmail.com>, Joshua Katz <joshua.katz at lp.org>, David
>>>>>>>>> Demarest <David.Demarest at lp.org>, Daniel Hayes <
>>>>>>>>> daniel.hayes at lp.org>, Ed Marsh <ednmax at yahoo.com>, Steven
>>>>>>>>> Nekhaila <Steven.Nekhaila at gmail.com>, Starchild <
>>>>>>>>> sfdreamer at earthlink.net>, Paul Stanton <paul at stanton.name>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm writing to LNC members who commented in this thread plus
>>>>>>>>> Whitney as my rep, IPR teamCCed for background, and Paul Stanton CCed. If
>>>>>>>>> any of the LNC members copied feel it's worth sharing with the rest of LNC
>>>>>>>>> please do so. If not, my feelings won't be hurt either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not going to comment on what if anything LNC should do, just
>>>>>>>>> lay out the facts as I know them,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just before Paul Stanton resigned from LPF exec comm he submitted
>>>>>>>>> the following to that body (see links embedded in original):
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/embed/#!topic/lpfec/7Ii6WazfTGo
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tonight's motion 520 is mainly regarding threats and advocacy of
>>>>>>>>> violence against me and others, including a current US Senate candidate and
>>>>>>>>> former rules chair of the Libertarian Party of Miami-Dade.  Additionally,
>>>>>>>>> he is a leader in a white supremacist group, the American Guard
>>>>>>>>> <http://adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists>,
>>>>>>>>> a spin-off group of the violent anti-immigrant Sons of Odin - founded by Brien
>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/brien-james> (who
>>>>>>>>> also founded the Vinlanders - a Neo-Nazi group responsible for dozens of
>>>>>>>>> murders).  The crossed cleavers in their shield is a reference to 19th century
>>>>>>>>> anti-immigrant gang leader, Bill the Butcher
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Poole> - an advocacy of
>>>>>>>>> violence against immigrants.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ryan Ramsey himself covers white nationalist "Rock Against
>>>>>>>>> Communism <https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism>"
>>>>>>>>> bands like S <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver>crewdriver
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver>, and advocates for Operation
>>>>>>>>> Werewolf <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werwolf>.  He has called
>>>>>>>>> the LNC Chair Nick Sarwark "Nazi Nick," citing Nick's Jewish religion, then
>>>>>>>>> blaming people "disingenuous political leaders like Nick Sarwark" for the
>>>>>>>>> rise of the Nazi Party and ultimately the Holocaust.
>>>>>>>>> <http://archive.is/EMZPY>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here are some links which I will be referencing tonight at the
>>>>>>>>> meeting:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/libertarianheathen/photos/a.
>>>>>>>>> 1959795147587414.1073741828.1954915414742054/2002228056677456/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/libertarianheathen/photos/a.1959795147587414.1073741828.1954915414742054/2002228056677456/%3Cbr+/%3E>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-
>>>>>>>>> hardcore-white-supremacists
>>>>>>>>> http://libertarianheathen.com
>>>>>>>>> http://archive.is/t5jC7
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bottom line, I am sick of seeing threats of violence against good
>>>>>>>>> Libertarians, and others disassociating in disgust over the intimidation
>>>>>>>>> tactics, dehumanization, and white supremacist rhetoric being employed by
>>>>>>>>> leaders within our party.  If we allow one of our leaders to threaten our
>>>>>>>>> membership while having the ability to stop it, voters and donors have no
>>>>>>>>> reason to take our party seriously, as we clearly do not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The delegates very clearly gave us the ability to remove people
>>>>>>>>> from the EC for violation of the non-aggression pledge.  Tonight we must
>>>>>>>>> decide if we will take that task seriously or not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In liberty,
>>>>>>>>> *Paul Stanton*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Folowup message: *
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [          ]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Info about the 1930s German Nazi history book that Ryan Ramsey
>>>>>>>>> took his meme from:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://spartacus-educational.com/Jewish_Children.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frankel: I can also attest to the threats coming from Ramsey, his
>>>>>>>>> former close associate Augustus Invictus and others in their circle.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Back in April of this year, on a tip from IPR site owner Warren
>>>>>>>>> Redlich, I published http://independentpoliticalreport.
>>>>>>>>> com/2017/04/police-report-augustus-invictus-accused-of-
>>>>>>>>> domestic-violence-sexual-assault-kidnapping/  detailing that Mr.
>>>>>>>>> Invictus' ex-fiancee made these very serious allegations against him. I
>>>>>>>>> confirmed with the police department in question that the referenced report
>>>>>>>>> had in fact been filed. I made no comment in the article about the truth or
>>>>>>>>> falsehood of the allegations. Any comments of opinions I made in the
>>>>>>>>> comment section on the same basis as any of our other readers and clearly
>>>>>>>>> marked as opinion. Notably, the complaintant and associate of hers also
>>>>>>>>> reported death threats at the time from Invictus and Ramsey, who have since
>>>>>>>>> then (very recently) had a falling out. Witness tampering was also one of
>>>>>>>>> the allegations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I also *republished* http://independentpoliticalreport.
>>>>>>>>> com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-to-the-
>>>>>>>>> cowardly-collaborators-of-the-libertarian-party-of-florida-
>>>>>>>>> and-a-call-to-action-against-them/
>>>>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-to-the-cowardly-collaborators-of-the-libertarian-party-of-florida-and-a-call-to-action-against-them/>
>>>>>>>>> (note that the original and its website were taken down so the images no
>>>>>>>>> longer appear; scroll down to see the section about Ryan Ramsey as the last
>>>>>>>>> part of the article).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As a response, 1) Augustus Invictus wrote me and Warren Redlich,
>>>>>>>>> insinuating possible legal action and hinting at other forms of
>>>>>>>>> retaliation; he later wrote another former associate of his, Raquel Okyay,
>>>>>>>>> which was later forwarded to me, naming me as one of the people he plans to
>>>>>>>>> take some form of unspecified revenge on.   2) Ryan Ramsey published two
>>>>>>>>> articles filled with outright lies and slanderous fictions about me,
>>>>>>>>> Redlich, and others alleging some grand conspiracy . You can find them at
>>>>>>>>> libertarianheathen.com with a search for Frankel. Ramsey and his
>>>>>>>>> associates continually spread this crap on FB and probably elsewhere.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://libertarianheathen.com/?s=frankel
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The slanderous lies from Ramsey were tit for tat retaliation – he
>>>>>>>>> said so himself, and offered a reciprocal unpublishing – because I reported
>>>>>>>>> the news that his then buddy Augustus Invictus, one of the Charlottesville
>>>>>>>>> organizers, had been accused of a pattern of domestic violence, kidnapping
>>>>>>>>> and rape by his ex-fiancee. I was simply reporting the news, not taking a
>>>>>>>>> stance, except in the comments; and even there I was careful to separate
>>>>>>>>> what I knew to be fact from my opinion and what others alleged.
>>>>>>>>> Furthermore, I reposted accurate reporting about Ryan Ramsey and his
>>>>>>>>> associates previously published elsewhere. His response was to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1) Publish lies about me, Warren Redlich and IPR, linked above
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2) Offer to take them down if we took down our own reporting
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3) Threaten to sic law enforcement on me for supposedly being a
>>>>>>>>> terrorist and threatening his wife, none of which is even remotely true.
>>>>>>>>> Specifically, he said he had contacted the Florida Department of Law
>>>>>>>>> Enforcement electronic crimes division and was planning to meet with the
>>>>>>>>> FBI and tell them that I am a terrorist (a preposterous lie) and that I
>>>>>>>>> threatened his then pregnant wife (another absurd fiction).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 4) His pal Invictus broached the possibility of suing us (but said
>>>>>>>>> he wasn’t doing that, at least at that time)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 5) Invictus later issued a non-specific threat against me and a
>>>>>>>>> few other people saying we will “get what is coming to us.” Among many
>>>>>>>>> other people he and his associates have threatened.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ryan Ramsey’s article is in fact full of attacks, slander and
>>>>>>>>> lies. Looking at just the headline alone: I am not editor in chief at IPR
>>>>>>>>> and in fact there is no such position. I am not a terrorist, and that is a
>>>>>>>>> slanderous claim. Moving beyond the headline I address numerous inaccurate
>>>>>>>>> statements, slanders, libel and downright lies in Ramsey’s article in a
>>>>>>>>> series of comments starting at http://independentpoliticalreport.
>>>>>>>>> com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-write-
>>>>>>>>> open-letter-to-lnc-starchild-responds/#comment-1581189 and
>>>>>>>>> continuing over a couple of dozen comments.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To take one egregious example, Ramsey continually asserts that I
>>>>>>>>> had something to do with killing a dog. I did not, and while he is not the
>>>>>>>>> first person to spread this lie it is nevertheless a lie and he is not
>>>>>>>>> repeating it as a statement by someone else but rather as something he
>>>>>>>>> knows to be true, unlike the statements about him by others that I have
>>>>>>>>> published. There are many similar falsehoods throughout the article which I
>>>>>>>>> addressed in IPR comments.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Others who have been threatened by Invictus, Ramsey and friends
>>>>>>>>> include *Tom Knapp *
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-
>>>>>>>>> perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-
>>>>>>>>> approach/#comment-1636145
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *"**To date, twice when the AI combination pity party / threat
>>>>>>>>> machine got cranked up and I was involved in direct back and forth, I
>>>>>>>>> escalated from Condition Yellow to Condition Orange. This involves, among
>>>>>>>>> other things, making my family aware of a possible threat, ensuring that at
>>>>>>>>> least one person in the household in addition to myself has a loaded
>>>>>>>>> firearm near to hand at all times, and paying special attention to street
>>>>>>>>> traffic in my neighborhood (which is very low traffic so anything unusual
>>>>>>>>> stands out, and I have a nearby neighbor who knows to call if anything
>>>>>>>>> looks suspicious as well). "*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frankel again) The email I was forwarded from Invictus says in
>>>>>>>>> part *"**Stanton, Tesky, Wyllie, Marchetti, and Frankel **are all
>>>>>>>>> directly responsible for that, because the babysitter called the police
>>>>>>>>> based off the bullshit criminal allegations being pushed by those five. It
>>>>>>>>> was the ‘news’ story that caused the babysitter to call the police. Fourth
>>>>>>>>> and final: It never crossed my mind that Joe (Wendt) had anything to do
>>>>>>>>> with that, but if I find out that he was involved with Stanton or Tesky or
>>>>>>>>> Marchetti in pushing those criminal allegations, I will hang him with my
>>>>>>>>> own fucking hands. That entire situation is something so outrageous that I
>>>>>>>>> am not even discussing it. Each and every person who was involved or had
>>>>>>>>> knowledge of it will get what is coming to them.**"*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And in fact, all of the people named, myself included, are among
>>>>>>>>> many others who have reported being threatened by Invictus, Ramsey and
>>>>>>>>> their circle of associates. Ramsey is still neck deep in it even now that
>>>>>>>>> Invictus has become a Republican.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ramsey is allegedly gloating about Stanton's resignation in these
>>>>>>>>> facebook groups, among others:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kekistan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Right Way: No Cucks, Only Kek
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Republic of Kekistan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> @The Deplorables and Basement Dwellers for Trump
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anti-SJW
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anti-SJW Pinochet's Beach Party
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The ex-fiancee of Invictus, Ms. Rice, and her friend Ms. Brown
>>>>>>>>> along with others they knew also reported being threatened and intimidated
>>>>>>>>> by Invictus, Ramsey et al.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/joe-wendt-for-us-
>>>>>>>>> senate-new-lp-of-florida-chair-undermines-libertarian-
>>>>>>>>> principles-in-favor-of-white-nationalists/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Libertarian Party Candidate for U.S. Senate, Joe Wendt, condemns
>>>>>>>>> LPF Chair, Marcos Miralles, for pursuing a policy that promotes white
>>>>>>>>> nationalists within the Libertarian Party of Florida. “Mr. Miralles has
>>>>>>>>> appointed known white nationalists to leadership positions.”*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *...*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *“I have been threatened with physical violence by white
>>>>>>>>> nationalist supporters of Miralles,” said Wendt. “*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <http://goog_1698321734/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-
>>>>>>>>> perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/
>>>>>>>>> see embedded links in original"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *We are losing good members, and the trust of the public, due to
>>>>>>>>> the elevation of leaders in extremist hate groups to our party leadership.
>>>>>>>>> We need a new approach.  Local libertarian-leaning politicians and voters
>>>>>>>>> associate us with far-right extremists.  As of yesterday, my county no
>>>>>>>>> longer has a full slate of candidates for the Florida House.   One of the
>>>>>>>>> Libertarian candidates I drafted will now unfortunately be running NPA.
>>>>>>>>> Yesterday, we also lost our incoming Rules Committee chair.  Previously,
>>>>>>>>> both our former gubernatorial nominee and our senatorial nominee (prior to
>>>>>>>>> me) have resigned their LPF memberships, among countless other Libertarian
>>>>>>>>> activists and volunteers.  A member of my 2016 Senate campaign ended her
>>>>>>>>> participation with the party, because her employer forbids associations
>>>>>>>>> with members of extremist hate groups advocating for violence. A single
>>>>>>>>> friend (who ceased her participation after receiving death threats) has
>>>>>>>>> reported that no fewer than 30 of her acquaintances have withdrawn from
>>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party activism due to risks to themselves and their
>>>>>>>>> reputations.*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *During my US Senate campaign, I never expected the situation that
>>>>>>>>> unfolded.  I expected the personal attacks, but I never expected racist
>>>>>>>>> fantasies about my mother, posting of personal information about members of
>>>>>>>>> my family, or the violent threats and sexual harassment targeting my
>>>>>>>>> supporters and members of my campaign.  Last month, after I introduced a
>>>>>>>>> motion (which was killed) to remove Florida’s member of the Libertarian
>>>>>>>>> Party Platform Committee for his racist statements
>>>>>>>>> <http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anti-racist_is_a_code_word_for_anti-white#.22The_mantra.22>,
>>>>>>>>> I was accused of wanting to kill all white people, in a “white genocide
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_genocide_conspiracy_theory>”
>>>>>>>>> conspiracy theory.  And now today, there have been threats that
>>>>>>>>> the militant <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldiers_of_Odin> hate
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.theindychannel.com/longform/who-are-the-american-guard-patriotic-nationalists-or-skinheads-in-disguise> group
>>>>>>>>> <https://godsandradicals.org/2017/03/18/heathen-know-nothings-the-american-guard/> the
>>>>>>>>> <http://forward.com/fast-forward/368055/white-supremacists-and-skinheads-join-pro-trump-rally/> American
>>>>>>>>> Guard
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists>may
>>>>>>>>> be waiting for me in the parking lot, or harassing county party meetings.
>>>>>>>>> We must have higher standards for our party leadership!*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Sadly, these are common intimidation tactics among white
>>>>>>>>> nationalists, and there are several other victims throughout Florida.  This
>>>>>>>>> behavior cannot be accepted.  We cannot continue to elevate these people.
>>>>>>>>> Libertarianism stands for maximum freedom for everyone, universally. We
>>>>>>>>> dishonor ourselves and our party by enabling liars with wildly divergent
>>>>>>>>> philosophies, who stand immediately adjacent to neo-Nazis
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Movement_%28United_States%29>, white
>>>>>>>>> nationalists
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/vinlanders-social-club>, fascists
>>>>>>>>> <https://johnmhudak.com/2017/07/16/rise-of-the-anarcho-statists-part-iii-augustus-sol-invictus-the-unconquerable-sun-god/>,organized
>>>>>>>>> criminal syndicates
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaws_Motorcycle_Club>, and domestic
>>>>>>>>> terrorists <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Front>.*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From the comments:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1.     *Starchild <http://www.openborders.info/>**July 22, 2017
>>>>>>>>> at 09:26*
>>>>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1634719>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Joe, do you know which individuals were shouting “white power” at
>>>>>>>>> the state convention? Is there video evidence of this? I would hope those
>>>>>>>>> individuals are identified and ostracized, and that other Libertarians will
>>>>>>>>> make clear to them that there is no room for such racism in the LP. That is
>>>>>>>>> not what we are about. If individuals who seek to act in such a manner
>>>>>>>>> leave the party, that is not a loss for us but a gain.*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3.     *Joe Wendt**July 22, 2017 at 12:10*
>>>>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1634766>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Starchild,*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *The individuals in question are supports of the current LPF
>>>>>>>>> Chair. Although Augustus Invictus, the most prominent of the White
>>>>>>>>> Nationalists, has left the party, unfortunately other less prominent White
>>>>>>>>> Nationalists are not [only -p] remaining active in the LPF, the Chair is
>>>>>>>>> actually giving them positions of authority.*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Screenshot of Ramsey threatening to knock Wendt’s teeth out and
>>>>>>>>> saying he may have an “accident”*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/
>>>>>>>>> 07/received_10159060778305274.png
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> paulie <https://www.facebook.com/paulie.cannoli>July 23, 2017 at
>>>>>>>>> 12:04
>>>>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635134>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Again, it’s not about Joe.* Yes Ramsey threatened Joe, but he
>>>>>>>>> also threatened many other people, as has Invictus and their other buddies.
>>>>>>>>> There are numerous sources for that, including me. *Yes, Ramsey
>>>>>>>>> has spread bullshit about me. I think he is still doing it although I
>>>>>>>>> haven’t checked lately. Did he know it to be false or did he just repeat
>>>>>>>>> what other people said? Well, he couldn’t have known it to be true since it
>>>>>>>>> was not true and he did not say “so and so says” he just repeated things as
>>>>>>>>> if they were facts and added new ones such as the bullshit about me being a
>>>>>>>>> terrorist and member of a terrorist groups and the bullshit about me making
>>>>>>>>> threats against his wife. And again, *these are
>>>>>>>>> just examples just as the other examples in Stanton’s article are
>>>>>>>>> only examples.*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *The real issue is that there is an ongoing pattern as reported by
>>>>>>>>> many different people of Invictus, Ramsey and their circle of friends
>>>>>>>>> issuing threats, spreading lies .. to and about many different people ..
>>>>>>>>> and maintaining ongoing close associations with multiple white supremacist
>>>>>>>>> groups and violent groups and individuals.*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Ramsey says “You were awful meek last night punk. Ill see you
>>>>>>>>> soon though and well see how mouthy you are”* which is clearly
>>>>>>>>> physical intimidation. Joe is talking shit on the internet but Ramsey says
>>>>>>>>> he will not do it in person. Why not? Clearly due to threat of physical
>>>>>>>>> violence. Ramsey follows this up with *“Id be more concerned with
>>>>>>>>> the teeth in your mouth at this point joe. Your dental plan good?” *which
>>>>>>>>> in the context of his earlier statement is not exactly a very veiled
>>>>>>>>> threat. If he was genuinely concerned about Joe slipping and falling due to
>>>>>>>>> being drunk, which is laughable in the context of the conversation, he
>>>>>>>>> would not have made the threat so specific.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And the larger context of course is that there have been many
>>>>>>>>> other threats, to many other people, myself as well as this publication
>>>>>>>>> (IPR) included.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Joe WendtJuly 23, 2017 at 13:55
>>>>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635174>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *To Andy,*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *I have contacted the police. Since it has not progressed beyond
>>>>>>>>> Facebook, they told me to block him and contact them again if he continues
>>>>>>>>> the harassing and threatening behavior. They will be called if he threatens
>>>>>>>>> me again.*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> paulie <https://www.facebook.com/paulie.cannoli>July 23, 2017 at
>>>>>>>>> 14:19
>>>>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635179>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Also, if all of these if all of these violent threats have been
>>>>>>>>> made, why hasn’t anyone gone to jail? Has anyone even gotten a restraining
>>>>>>>>> order?*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don’t be naive. Threats are not always made in a verifiable,
>>>>>>>>> provable form. I’ve received plenty of threats over the years, including
>>>>>>>>> death threats, and I have never felt the urge to go to the cops about it.
>>>>>>>>> What the fuck are they going to do? While they conduct their half assed
>>>>>>>>> investigation I may get killed or injured or whatever else. Or someone else
>>>>>>>>> around me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And one of the people that has been threatened by Invictus, Ramsey
>>>>>>>>> and friends made a good point. This person said that Ramsey has known
>>>>>>>>> contacts in law enforcement and that there are known ties between many
>>>>>>>>> members of law enforcement and white supremacist groups such as the ones
>>>>>>>>> Ramsey and Invictus have a lot of ties to. So reporting anything to law
>>>>>>>>> enforcement may actually be cutting your own throat if you get threatened
>>>>>>>>> by these assholes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FL: Augustus Invictus campaigns in front of white nationalist
>>>>>>>>> skinhead music banner
>>>>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-augustus-invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-skinhead-music-banner/>
>>>>>>>>>   http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-augustus-
>>>>>>>>> invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-skinhead-
>>>>>>>>> music-banner/
>>>>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-augustus-invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-skinhead-music-banner/>
>>>>>>>>> Note: Ramsey also frequently associates with that same banner to this day.
>>>>>>>>> "Rock Against Communism" may sound like something that libertarians would
>>>>>>>>> agree with, but in reality it's a well-known neo-nazi front organization
>>>>>>>>> that no "former" white supremacist (as Ramsey claims to be) would have any
>>>>>>>>> association with.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *The Rock Against Communism movement originated in the **United
>>>>>>>>> Kingdom <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom>** in late
>>>>>>>>> 1978 with **far right <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_right>** activists
>>>>>>>>> associated with the **National Front
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Front>** (NF).**[4]
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-soundtrack-4>** It
>>>>>>>>> was intended to counter the **Rock Against Racism
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Racism>*
>>>>>>>>> * organisation.**[4]
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-soundtrack-4>** The
>>>>>>>>> first RAC concert was in **Leeds
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeds>**, **England
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England>** in 1978, featuring the **Nazi
>>>>>>>>> punk <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_punk>** bands The
>>>>>>>>> Dentists and The Ventz.**[5]
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-5>** RAC
>>>>>>>>> held one concert in 1979 and another in spring 1983, which was headlined
>>>>>>>>> by **Skrewdriver <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver>**,
>>>>>>>>> a **white power rock
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_power_rock>** band led by **Ian
>>>>>>>>> Stuart Donaldson <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Stuart_Donaldson>**.
>>>>>>>>> After that, RAC concerts were held more often. They were often headlined by
>>>>>>>>> Skrewdriver and featured other white power bands, such as **Skullhead
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skullhead>** and **No Remorse
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Remorse_%28band%29>**. In the
>>>>>>>>> mid-1980s, summer concerts were often held at the **Suffolk
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffolk>** home of **Edgar Griffin
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Griffin>**, a **Conservative
>>>>>>>>> Party <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_%28UK%29>*
>>>>>>>>> * activist**[6]
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-6>** and
>>>>>>>>> father of **Nick Griffin
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Griffin>**, an NF organiser
>>>>>>>>> who later became the national chair of the **British National
>>>>>>>>> Party <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party>**.
>>>>>>>>> By the late 1980s, the RAC name had given way to the White Noise Club
>>>>>>>>> (another NF-based group), and later **Blood and Honour
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_Honour>**, which was set
>>>>>>>>> up by **Donaldson <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donaldson>** when
>>>>>>>>> they fell out with the NF leadership.**[4]
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-soundtrack-4>*
>>>>>>>>> * As **hardcore punk
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk>** music became more
>>>>>>>>> popular in the 1990s and 2000s, many white power bands took on a more
>>>>>>>>> hardcore-influenced sound.*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Note that Ryan Ramsey continues to proudly wave the "Rock against
>>>>>>>>> communism" banner.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton: ‘LP conventions, avoid alt-right / white
>>>>>>>>> supremacist event speakers’
>>>>>>>>> <http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/chuck-moulton-lp-conventions-avoid-alt-right-white-supremacist-event-speakers/>
>>>>>>>>>  http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/chuck-moulton-lp-
>>>>>>>>> conventions-avoid-alt-right-white-supremacist-event-speakers/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> More background:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/alexandria-brown-
>>>>>>>>> response-to-ryan-ramsey-and-timeline-of-events/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/update-on-rape-
>>>>>>>>> assault-kidnapping-and-witness-tampering-allegations-
>>>>>>>>> against-augustus-invictus/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/update-on-
>>>>>>>>> augustus-invictus-criminal-allegations-and-retraction-of-
>>>>>>>>> censure-from-florida-lp-possible-disaffiliation-by-lnc-floated/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/david-colborne-
>>>>>>>>> augustus-sol-invictus-is-not-welcome-in-my-state/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/knppster-were-
>>>>>>>>> going-to-shut-it-down/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/knapp-replace-lp-
>>>>>>>>> of-florida-exec-comm-and-bylaws/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/paul-stanton-lp-
>>>>>>>>> florida-chair-marcos-miralles-must-resign/ :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Marcos Miralles began his race for Chair of the LPF with the
>>>>>>>>> support of Augustus Sol Invictus
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/augustus-sol-invictus-austin-gillespie>**and
>>>>>>>>> Ryan Ramsey, both leaders in white supremacist groups, including the
>>>>>>>>> American Guard
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists>**.
>>>>>>>>>  (The American Guard was one of the groups present in Charlottesville last
>>>>>>>>> weekend.
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/indianapolis/indiana-american-guard-among-protestors-at-charlottesville-unite-the-right-rally>**)
>>>>>>>>>  Invictus was also a featured speaker at the Charlottesville white
>>>>>>>>> supremacist rally.
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/political-pulse/os-augustus-invictus-charlottesville-20170814-story.html>**  The
>>>>>>>>> support has not been one-sided.  Last year, Marcos Miralles provided a town
>>>>>>>>> hall for Invictus
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article97524342.html>** (as
>>>>>>>>> part of a campaign to stir up drama during the primary), the pictures from
>>>>>>>>> which are still used by the Miami Herald to associate our party with
>>>>>>>>> Invictus <http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article167083427.html>**.
>>>>>>>>> Additionally, he proudly displayed Ryan Ramsey’s endorsement on his website
>>>>>>>>> and appointed Ryan Ramsey <https://docs.lpf.org/meeting/july-16th-2017/>** to
>>>>>>>>> our Legislative Review Committee.  There is no place for white supremacy in
>>>>>>>>> the Libertarian Party of Florida.*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Thankfully, there was a recent press release
>>>>>>>>> <https://lpf.org/2017/08/libertarian-party-florida-first-strongest-voice-hate-filled-groups/> condemning
>>>>>>>>> the events in Charlottesville.  Unfortunately, Marcos Miralles has refused
>>>>>>>>> to condemn the white supremacists within our party, or recant his previous
>>>>>>>>> support.  Instead, he insists that he will “work with everybody” and has
>>>>>>>>> dismissed worries about white supremacists using our party to support their
>>>>>>>>> platform as “non sense,” despite the support of the previously-mentioned
>>>>>>>>> Libertarians, and despite the Libertarian Party of Florida’s representative
>>>>>>>>> to the Libertarian Party platform committee, Frank Caprio.  Caprio
>>>>>>>>> regularly makes very racist comments, including quotes white
>>>>>>>>> supremacist Bob Whitaker
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/06/07/bob-whitaker-author-racist-mantra-white-genocide-has-died>.
>>>>>>>>> I physically cringed when I read Marcos write: “The Libertarian Party of
>>>>>>>>> Florida will forever remain the safest home for all of those that fight for
>>>>>>>>> civil rights.”  As one of the Libertarian victims of violent threats and
>>>>>>>>> harassment (a Muslim mother of biracial children) stated, “The Libertarian
>>>>>>>>> Party was not a safe haven for me and many others like me.  It should be,
>>>>>>>>> by principle. […] But that’s not the present day reality.”  Sadly, she
>>>>>>>>> ended her participation with the party after concerns with the safety of
>>>>>>>>> her family. When she reached out to Miralles, she was ignored and blocked
>>>>>>>>> on social media.*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/knapp-dickey-
>>>>>>>>> cover-2017-libertarian-party-of-florida-convention/ http://
>>>>>>>>> independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/knapp-dickey-
>>>>>>>>> cover-2017-libertarian-party-of-florida-convention/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *There were people yelling white power. Larry Sharpe went on an
>>>>>>>>> alt-right vlog by Ryan Ramsey called the Mad American Network. That group
>>>>>>>>> was with Invictus in Harrisburg, PA and at least one member, Dave Martel,
>>>>>>>>> was seen sieg heiling there. Invictus chased someone out of a courtesy
>>>>>>>>> suite with threats of violence. Invictus was then pushing Paul Stanton
>>>>>>>>> trying to pick a fight. There was loud applause of his speech where he
>>>>>>>>> hijacked our convention for five minutes, then just bragged about it…*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *…our gubernatorial candidate denied Stanton a mic for a
>>>>>>>>> privileged motion, so that he could procedurally kill a pro-immigration
>>>>>>>>> platform plank without letting it be read.*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Thomas Knapp lost an ad hoc election to the LP platform committee
>>>>>>>>> to a “constitutional conservative” who once told me, “anti-racist is code
>>>>>>>>> for anti-white,” Frank Caprio. He’s from the LP of Orange County (Orlando
>>>>>>>>> area, same as Invictus -p).*
>>>>>>>>> *Oh, and by the way – no pretend antifa protesters showed up, of
>>>>>>>>> course.*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/09/paul-frankel-why-
>>>>>>>>> libertarians-need-to-denounce-the-alt-right-and-white-
>>>>>>>>> nationalists-and-dont-need-to-worry-about-libertarian-
>>>>>>>>> socialists-and-antifa/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/lsla-2017-
>>>>>>>>> physically-removed-so-to-speak-making-the-lp-
>>>>>>>>> inhospitable-to-the-alt-right-and-other-nazis/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure that's more than enough for now, but there's plenty more.
>>>>>>>>> Feel free to email or call 205-534-1622 <%28205%29%20534-1622> to
>>>>>>>>> discuss, and forward wherever or whenever you wish.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Paul Frankel
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
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*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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