[Lnc-business] First draft of 12/9/17 LNC Meeting Minutes

[Alicia Mattson]

Below are my comments on version 1 of the New Orleans minutes.

1. On page 6 is the following passage:

“Mr. Hewitt moved to postpone until a time certain of tomorrow morning to
allow members to write up specifically what is to be released. Mr. Redpath
seconded. After debate, this motion passed by a show of hands with the
required 2/3 vote.”

A motion to postpone to a time certain only requires a majority vote.  A
2/3 vote is only required if the motion makes the item a "special order",
and the motion doesn't indicate that it was a special order.  See RONR
(11th ed.) p. 182, lines 19-24.


2.  On page 12 is the following in the first paragraph of the budget
adoption section, "He objected to continuing without this information."
 The word "objection" has a particular parliamentary meaning, in that it is
used to prevent adoption a motion without a formal vote.  In that instance
there is no mention of a motion to continue without that information, so
there's no parliamentary significance to objecting to a motion that doesn't
exist.


3.  On page 16 is the following, “Mr. Goldstein moved that the LNC proceed
to a vote on the three potential locations using ranked choice voting.  Mr.
Marsh seconded.”  What was the outcome of that motion?  I don't see a vote
listed, just that the LNC then did it as if the motion had been adopted.


4.  This is just a formatting comment rather than a parliamentary matter,
that on page 15, when the final budget is shown, having the provisos in a
footnote at the bottom of the page with a different subject in between
makes it easy to miss that they are associated with the budget as amended.
I suppose this is just a personal preference, but I find it easier to spot
the provisos when they're embedded in the text of the minutes directly
under the table with the budget numbers.  Just a minor suggestion for your
consideration.

-Alicia



On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 8:26 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Sam you are correct.  Ken used that language at another time in the
> discussion, but not in the wording of that specific motion.  Got it, thank
> you.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > wrote:
>
>> My notes have Ken using that term.  I will double-check with the
>> recording.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 8:04 AM Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a question, less on the minutes and more on a motion that was
>>> adopted.  The proviso to the budget about states fulfilling their
>>> responsibilities says it can be waived by the Chair and/or the Executive
>>> Director.  What does that mean?  Can one of them, alone, do it - and, if
>>> so, how is that different from saying "or"?  If not, how is it different
>>> from saying "and"?
>>>
>>> Also, while I appreciate the point Dr. Lark raised on the authorization
>>> of lawsuits item, it was not the motion I had intended to make.  I will
>>> either ask for cosponsors for an email ballot shortly, or wait until the
>>> next meeting and request that item again.
>>>
>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 8:06 AM, Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Unless Mr. Moellman used the term "secret session" in his motion on
>>>> page 6, it should be change to the proper term Executive Session.  The LNC
>>>> has never entered a secret session since that ability is not in the Bylaws
>>>> of the party.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Live Free,
>>>> ---
>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>> 317-850-0726 <(317)%20850-0726> Cell
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2017-12-16 00:13, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Attached are the first draft minutes from the December 9-10, 2017 LNC
>>>> meeting.
>>>>
>>>> Please note that comments from the LNC on the minutes are due by
>>>> December 30.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for trusting me with this.  It was quite a bit of fun.  But
>>>> then again I like writing 107 page Regional reports.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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