[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-05: Suspension of Arvin Vohra
Arvin Vohra
votevohra at gmail.com
Wed Apr 4 16:05:51 EDT 2018
What you've written is false. The joke I made, and admitted was in poor
taste, was about attacking a government agency with violence. The "rant" to
which you are referring indicates that the Second Amendment is to protect
us from government.
Perhaps you believe the Second Amendment is about hunting licenses.
However, I do not believe that I am the only person in the LP, or on the
LNC, who believes that the Second Amendment is there to protect us from
government.
If the LNC wants to make a statement that the second amendment is not about
protecting ourselves from the state, then you wouldn't need this
rigamarole. I'd resign from any organization that thought that.
However, I strongly doubt that the majority on the LNC, or anyone on the
LNC for that matter, believes that gun rights are not about protecting
ourselves from the state.
-Arvin
On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 1:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:
> Nailed. It.
>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 11:32 AM Justin O'Donnell
> <[1]justin.odonnell at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Arvin,
> You expressed a dishonest apology. “I’m Sorry, but….” Is a
> rationalization, not an apology. You deflected the issue at hand
> and
> launched into accusations of your own that everyone who was upset
> with
> your “joke” wasn’t Libertarian enough to have an opinion.
> You said “I don’t support actually shooting up a school board”
> but then
> went on a rant justifying why someone should be ok with such a
> course
> of action. As I explained when I cast my vote, it wasn’t simply
> your
> comment that led me to vote in favor of the motion at hand, but
> rather
> your response to it, and lack of a sincere apology.
> You have displayed a persistent inability to accept
> accountability for
> the wrong in what you’ve said, and refuse to acknowledge the
> gravity of
> your position and how personal posts make in public environments
> reflect on the organization simply due to the position you are
> in. Face
> the facts Arvin, as Vice Chair of this organization, you ARE a
> public
> figure, and everything you say, whether personal or political
> reflects
> upon this organization, and that is something that needs to be
> inherently understood by everyone aiming to serve in any capacity
> of
> leadership.
> In the past I have consistently defended the morality and
> principles
> behind your statements, even if you lacked the tact to express
> those
> opinions in an amicable manner yourself. However, your
> narcissistic and
> audacious purism is dangerous and hindering the growth of this
> party,
> and any actual advancement towards Liberty in our Lifetimes. How
> you
> say things is often much more important than what you say. It is
> perfectly possible to express radical opinions and beliefs in a
> manner
> that encourages independent thought rather than backlash. If your
> intent is to grow this party, and advance this movement, then I
> suggest
> you sincerely take a reprieve to learn a thing or two about
> marketing
> and communication, and how to reach people outside your own echo
> chamber.
> Justin O’Donnell
> LNC Region 8 (ME, NH, VT, MA, CT, NY, NJ)
> Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
> From: [2]Arvin Vohra
> Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 1:10 PM
> To: [3][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-05: Suspension of
> Arvin
> Vohra
> Since some were not able to see the facebook live video, I
> uploaded the
> video to youtube. This is the original video, unaltered.
> Given that we have at least one LNC member saying that I never
> apologized,
> I would like to correct the record:
> [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=youtu.be
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 9:26 AM, Steve Scheetz
> <[4]steve.scheetz at lp.org>
> wrote:
> > I was informed that what I said could be misinterpreted as not
> voting.
> >
> > I vote yes.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> > Steve Scheetz
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lnc-business [mailto:[5]lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org]
> On Behalf
> Of
> > Alicia Mattson
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 2:16 AM
> > To: Libertarian National Committee list
> > Subject: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-05: Suspension of
> Arvin
> Vohra
> >
> > We have an electronic mail ballot.
> >
> >
> > *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by April 12, 2018 at
> 11:59:59pm
> > Pacific time.*
> > *Co-Sponsors:* Harlos, Van Horn, Katz, Hayes, Goldstein,
> Redpath,
> Hewitt,
> > O'Donnell
> >
> > *Motion:*
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party holds the non-initiation of
> force as
> its
> > cardinal principle and requires each of its members certify
> that they
> > neither advocate or believe in violent means to achieve
> political or
> social
> > goals.
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Libertarian National Committee suspends
> Arvin
> Vohra
> > from his position of Vice-Chair for sustained and repeated
> unacceptable
> > conduct that brings the principles of the Libertarian Party
> into
> disrepute,
> > including making and defending a statement advocating lethal
> violence
> > against state employees who are not directly threatening
> imminent
> physical
> > harm. Such action is in violation of our membership pledge.
> These
> actions
> > further endanger the survival of our movement and the security
> of all
> of
> > our members without their consent.
> >
> > -Alicia
> >
> >
> --
> Arvin Vohra
> [6]www.VoteVohra.com
> [7]VoteVohra at gmail.com
> (301) 320-3634
> References
> 1. [8]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
> 2. mailto:[9]votevohra at gmail.com
> 3. mailto:[10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>
> --
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
> - [11]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [12]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
> 2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=youtu.be
> 4. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
> 5. mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
> 6. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> 7. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
> 8. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
> 9. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
> 10. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 11. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 12. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
--
Arvin Vohra
www.VoteVohra.com
VoteVohra at gmail.com
(301) 320-3634
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What you've written is false. The joke I made, and admitted was in poor
taste, was about attacking a government agency with violence. The
"rant" to which you are referring indicates that the Second Amendment
is to protect us from government.
Perhaps you believe the Second Amendment is about hunting licenses.
However, I do not believe that I am the only person in the LP, or on
the LNC, who believes that the Second Amendment is there to protect us
from government.
If the LNC wants to make a statement that the second amendment is not
about protecting ourselves from the state, then you wouldn't need this
rigamarole. I'd resign from any organization that thought that.
However, I strongly doubt that the majority on the LNC, or anyone on
the LNC for that matter, believes that gun rights are not about
protecting ourselves from the state.
-Arvin
On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 1:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
Nailed. It.
On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 11:32 AM Justin O'Donnell
<[1][2]justin.odonnell at lp.org> wrote:
Arvin,
You expressed a dishonest apology. “I’m Sorry, but….” Is a
rationalization, not an apology. You deflected the issue at
hand
and
launched into accusations of your own that everyone who was
upset
with
your “joke” wasn’t Libertarian enough to have an opinion.
You said “I don’t support actually shooting up a school board”
but then
went on a rant justifying why someone should be ok with such a
course
of action. As I explained when I cast my vote, it wasn’t simply
your
comment that led me to vote in favor of the motion at hand, but
rather
your response to it, and lack of a sincere apology.
You have displayed a persistent inability to accept
accountability for
the wrong in what you’ve said, and refuse to acknowledge the
gravity of
your position and how personal posts make in public
environments
reflect on the organization simply due to the position you are
in. Face
the facts Arvin, as Vice Chair of this organization, you ARE a
public
figure, and everything you say, whether personal or political
reflects
upon this organization, and that is something that needs to be
inherently understood by everyone aiming to serve in any
capacity
of
leadership.
In the past I have consistently defended the morality and
principles
behind your statements, even if you lacked the tact to express
those
opinions in an amicable manner yourself. However, your
narcissistic and
audacious purism is dangerous and hindering the growth of this
party,
and any actual advancement towards Liberty in our Lifetimes.
How
you
say things is often much more important than what you say. It
is
perfectly possible to express radical opinions and beliefs in a
manner
that encourages independent thought rather than backlash. If
your
intent is to grow this party, and advance this movement, then I
suggest
you sincerely take a reprieve to learn a thing or two about
marketing
and communication, and how to reach people outside your own
echo
chamber.
Justin O’Donnell
LNC Region 8 (ME, NH, VT, MA, CT, NY, NJ)
Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
From: [2]Arvin Vohra
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 1:10 PM
To: [3][2][3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-05: Suspension
of
Arvin
Vohra
Since some were not able to see the facebook live video, I
uploaded the
video to youtube. This is the original video, unaltered.
Given that we have at least one LNC member saying that I
never
apologized,
I would like to correct the record:
[3][4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=
youtu.be
On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 9:26 AM, Steve Scheetz
<[4][5]steve.scheetz at lp.org>
wrote:
> I was informed that what I said could be misinterpreted as
not
voting.
>
> I vote yes.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Steve Scheetz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lnc-business [mailto:[5][6]lnc-business-
bounces at hq.lp.org]
On Behalf
Of
> Alicia Mattson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 2:16 AM
> To: Libertarian National Committee list
> Subject: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-05: Suspension of
Arvin
Vohra
>
> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>
>
> *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by April 12, 2018 at
11:59:59pm
> Pacific time.*
> *Co-Sponsors:* Harlos, Van Horn, Katz, Hayes, Goldstein,
Redpath,
Hewitt,
> O'Donnell
>
> *Motion:*
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party holds the non-initiation of
force as
its
> cardinal principle and requires each of its members certify
that they
> neither advocate or believe in violent means to achieve
political or
social
> goals.
>
> RESOLVED, that the Libertarian National Committee suspends
Arvin
Vohra
> from his position of Vice-Chair for sustained and repeated
unacceptable
> conduct that brings the principles of the Libertarian Party
into
disrepute,
> including making and defending a statement advocating lethal
violence
> against state employees who are not directly threatening
imminent
physical
> harm. Such action is in violation of our membership pledge.
These
actions
> further endanger the survival of our movement and the
security
of all
of
> our members without their consent.
>
> -Alicia
>
>
--
Arvin Vohra
[6][7]www.VoteVohra.com
[7][8]VoteVohra at gmail.com
(301) 320-3634
References
1. [8][9]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
2. mailto:[9][10]votevohra at gmail.com
3. mailto:[10][11]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
- [11]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [12]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[12]justin.odonnell at lp.org
2. mailto:[13]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. [14]https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=youtu.be
4. mailto:[15]steve.scheetz at lp.org
5. mailto:[16]lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
6. [17]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
7. mailto:[18]VoteVohra at gmail.com
8. [19]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
9. mailto:[20]votevohra at gmail.com
10. mailto:[21]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
11. mailto:[22]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
12. [23]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
--
Arvin Vohra
[24]www.VoteVohra.com
[25]VoteVohra at gmail.com
(301) 320-3634
References
1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
2. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=youtu.be
5. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
6. mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
7. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
8. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
9. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
10. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
11. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
12. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
13. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
14. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voh28CtaZsU&feature=youtu.be
15. mailto:steve.scheetz at lp.org
16. mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
17. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
18. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
19. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
20. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
21. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
22. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
23. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
24. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
25. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
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