[Lnc-business] I hope this article is wrong and our candidate didn't say this...

Wed Jan 24 11:36:54 EST 2018

In the future,

I would recommend reaching out to the candidate personally and privately 
addressing any concerns before bringing them to the LNC and the business 
list. One way to put a damper on momentum is to accost a candidate for a 
possible media mishap. Unless a gross platform defiance occurred and 
deserved censure this is not something the LNC should be in the business 
of taking upon itself, furthermore, if there was an issue it should have 
been brought up with me or Ed Marsh or the Florida State affiliate.

Sincerely,

Steven Nekhaila

On 2018-01-21 09:54 PM, Starchild wrote:
> Thank you for your reply, Alison. Like Caryn Ann, I'm glad to hear you
>    say that the reporter got it wrong and you do not support 
> legislation
>    to punish local governments for not cooperating with federal
>    anti-immigrant enforcement efforts.
> 
>    Since you describe yourself as an anarcho-capitalist, I presume you
>    consider all government laws to be fundamentally immoral and
>    illegitimate, but given the evident confusion with what was 
> reported,
>    the Saratoga Herald-Tribune will probably want to hear a more 
> specific
>    disclaimer before publishing a correction.
> 
>    I realize you're busy with your campaign and have asked for help, so 
> if
>    you will give me just a quick written statement clearly affirming 
> that
>    you oppose efforts to ban or crack down on "sanctuary cities" in
>    Florida, such as the legislation described
>    at 
> [1]http://floridapolitics.com/archives/248759-sanctuary-city-ban-bil
>    l-makes-comeback, I will pass the information along and work on 
> getting
>    the paper to correct their story for the record, so that neither 
> your
>    campaign nor the libertarian position on immigration are
>    mischaracterized.
> 
>    I already left a voicemail for the reporter, Zac Anderson [he's at
>    (941) 361-4836, or email [2]zac.anderson at heraldtribune.com], giving 
> him
>    the heads-up that his story apparently got your position wrong and
>    asking him to call me back. According to the paper's website, he is
>    their political editor as well as a reporter, so I'm guessing he has
>    authority to address the issue himself and didn't attempt to contact
>    another editor.
> 
>                       *          *          *
> 
>    Regarding the immigration issue in general, here is some information 
> I
>    hope you or other Libertarian candidates may find helpful when
>    communicating with the press or members of the public on this topic 
> in
>    the future...
> 
>    Except with regard to the importation of slaves after 1808, the
>    Constitution does not give Congress any authority to control
>    immigration (who enters one of the states), only naturalization (the
>    process of becoming a U.S. citizen). This is reflected by the fact 
> that
>    for the first century or so of U.S. history (until 1875), there were 
> no
>    federal statutes restricting entry to the United States (see
>    
> [3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_immigration_laws
>    ). Even today, being in the country without government permission is
>    considered by the authorities to be a civil offense, like getting a
>    parking ticket, not a criminal offense (see e.g.
>    
> [4]http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/mar/15/florida-con
>    ference-catholic-bishops/being-united-states-unlawfully-crime/).
> 
>    However, as the scope and power of the federal government expanded,
>    politicians felt less and less constrained by the Constitution and
>    began to increasingly stretch and violate it in various manners. 
> Sadly,
>    government courts have largely acquiesced to most of these power 
> grabs,
>    so most people today do not realize that like the federal anti-drug
>    laws, the federal regulation of products and services by myriad
>    agencies, the federal "ownership" of large tracts of land in many
>    states, etc., federal immigration laws are unconstitutional and
>    therefore illegal.
> 
>    Morally speaking, of course, it doesn't much matter whether a bad 
> law
>    is "legal" or not. Plenty of horrific abuses committed by government
>    authorities throughout history have been perfectly legal according 
> to
>    the laws enacted by themselves or their colleagues. But since many
>    people have been taught to automatically view the law as a good 
> thing
>    (for an enlightening discussion of this, I highly recommend watching
>    the speech Larken Rose gave at an Independence Day rally a few years
>    ago, online at [5]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNWnBmoFiGQ), 
> being
>    able to explain how you are not advocating lawbreaking when you 
> stand
>    up for the rights of undocumented migrants, but in fact upholding 
> the
>    highest law of the land, can be useful when when you are asked your
>    position on "enforcing the law", "illegal" immigration, etc.
> 
>    One final point ï¿½ you didn't say in your reply whether the 
> reporter's
>    comments that you "argu(ed) that undocumented immigrants present
>    potential health and public safety problems" were also inaccurate, 
> but
>    if you did say anything along those lines, I would strongly urge you 
> to
>    avoid such comments in the future. Virtually anyone can be 
> accurately
>    said to represent a potential public health or safety problem (you 
> or I
>    might potentially get sick, or do something unsafe in public!), but 
> the
>    law should never criminalize or discriminate against people on such
>    vague grounds ï¿½ no one should be detained without probable cause 
> to
>    suspect that a particular individual poses a credible threat to 
> public
>    health or safety. The mere fact of being undocumented does not make
>    anyone a threat to public health or safety.
> 
>    Good luck out there on the campaign trail, and don't forget that
>    electoral victory is only a small part of the battle ï¿½ your 
> ability to
>    advance the cause of freedom as an elected official will largely 
> depend
>    on your ability to articulate and defend the libertarian message to
>    your constituents and colleagues whose support you will need in 
> order
>    to be an effective legislator and get pro-freedom changes enacted 
> while
>    blocking attempts to expand the size, scope, cost, and power of
>    government!
> 
>    Love & Liberty,
> 
> 
> 
>                                       ((( starchild )))
> 
>    At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> 
>                            [6]RealReform at earthlink.net
> 
>                                     (415) 625-FREE
> 
>    P.S. ï¿½ I'm copying Florida LP member Ryan Ramsey on this email 
> since he
>    wrote separately to members of the LNC regarding my initial message
>    about the Herald-Tribune article; I'll try to respond to him 
> separately
>    later, but am behind on constituent email lately.
> 
>    On Jan 21, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> 
>    Thank you Alison that is why I wanted to hear directly from you.
> 
>    Now go knock them dead.  Figuratively of course.
> 
>    -Caryn Ann
> 
>    On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 3:27 PM Alison Foxall
>    <[7]alison at foxallforflorida.com> wrote:
> 
>    To whom this may concern:
>    "Legislation that would punish local governments that donï¿½t fully
>    cooperate with federal immigration authorities drew support from
>    Libertarian Alison Foxall and criticism from Democrat Margaret 
> Good..."
>    I never said I supported legislation to punish local governments.
>    Further, "drew support....and criticism" never happened because the
>    audience didn't clap for either candidate. The journalist, Zac
>    Anderson, definitely got those points wrong. He never directly 
> quoted
>    me except when I said it was a hot-button issue and I don't know why
>    (continue reading to see why I said that).
>    I oppose the top-down approach from the state of FL forcing local
>    governments to enforce federal immigration laws. The GOP continues 
> to
>    push this. Something to note: our local law enforcement and the
>    majority of our constituents here in Sarasota support legal 
> immigration
>    and do not want their city or county turned into a haven for
>    "undocumented" peoples, so they have chosen to enforce federal laws.
>    As a candidate for FL state house representative, in my opinion, it 
> is
>    wise to have a working relationship with existing local elected
>    officials and despite what happens in different areas of the 
> country,
>    our Sherrif here in Sarasota is well-liked and supports the second
>    amendment and an armed citizenry. I support the Sherrif and the City
>    Councilï¿½ and ultimately the rest of the community's decision to 
> enforce
>    the law. It is, after all, what the constituency wants and why the
>    Sherrif has been at his station, continuously elected for the last 
> 10
>    years.
>    A question that often comes up, much more so than talking about the
>    issues, is "how will you work with the old guard in Tallahassee [the
>    Capital]?". Voters are legitimately considering how a Libertarian
>    Representative would work within the Republican majority and 
> Democratic
>    minority. Voters are curious if I will be able to form alliances or
>    alienate myself in the House. Something they clearly don't want is
>    alienation.
>    Even though I support the decisions of my constituents and their own
>    local governance, I under no circumstance would vote at the state 
> level
>    to make counties or cities enforce federal immigration laws. That is 
> up
>    to local governments. In Florida, we have "home rule" laws and the
>    state should not be imposing their will onto local municipalities. 
> It
>    is written in our state constitution. I would have very little to do
>    when it comes to immigration issues which is why it is not present 
> on
>    my website. I've knocked on thousands of doors and out of all those
>    people I have spoken to, none have ever brought up immigration. 
> None.
>    Sarasota does not face an "illegal" immigration "problem".
>    So, why was it asked at a League of Women voters event? Because the 
> GOP
>    sent scare tactic mailers to almost all voters in the district in 
> late
>    December to drum up voter turnout in a special election to vote 
> against
>    the Democrat. They employed the same tactic early last year in a 
> city
>    council election. The GOP lost. Badly. Since December when that 
> first
>    mailer went out, immigration questions have only come up twice in
>    public appearances. The Democrats in Sarasota on the city council 
> have
>    no interest in ceasing to enforce federal immigration laws, but the 
> GOP
>    is blowing the issue out of proportion as if it's something they 
> want.
>    Personally, I am not enthusiastic about the issue (neither are the
>    DEM's here) and it's not something I go around talking about to 
> solicit
>    votes. My platform is largely economic and energy based, with
>    highlights about restoring rights to felons that have finished their
>    sentences and ending the drug war to help end the opioid crisis in 
> our
>    area, as well as jumpstart a hemp industry in our state.
>    Sarasota is not like most places. 62% of its income comes from
>    dividends, interest, and social security payouts. That will tip you 
> off
>    to the demographics here: older retirees. And when I say older, I 
> mean
>    really older, from the Silent Generation. We have more deaths in
>    Sarasota than we do births. At least 10% of people here remember
>    growing up during the great depression. A third of the population 
> grew
>    up and lived through WWII. Nearly everyone remembers the start of 
> the
>    Cold War, the wonders of the new space program, and Kennedy's
>    assassination. People talk about some of these events as if they
>    happened just a few years ago. The things they care about are what I
>    care about. I'm trying to become their representative, after all.
>    The libertarian facebook firing squad is a distraction from our goal 
> of
>    reducing government. We are nowhere near even my stepping stone 
> dream
>    of very limited government. Immigration laws need massive reform at 
> the
>    federal level and how we get there is not through me or the seat I'm
>    trying to win. I became a Libertarian in 2014 when Adrian Wyllie 
> made
>    the call to change my party registration. At the time I was
>    non-partisan and a self-described anarcho-capitalist (hence the 
> strong
>    platform about economic freedom). I believed that political parties
>    were a big part of the problems our country is facing and resisted
>    joining for some time. But after seeing the injustice of debate
>    exclusion that Wyllie faced in Florida, and the possibility of the
>    Libertarian Party becoming a major party by reaching 5% threshold of
>    registered voters, I took a leap of faith and joined "the 
> collective"
>    of big-L Libertarians in Florida and I haven't looked back since. I
>    figured I might as well be a part of the change, instead of not
>    participating at all.
>    Our campaign has received a ridiculous amount of mainstream media
>    attention locally. TV and printed news is the preferred news
>    consumption platform for our audience, and we've gotten a lot of it.
>    Yesterday, the local news station came out to our canvassing 
> assembly
>    before we hit the streets. I am meeting with TV, radio, and news
>    journalists every day this week. January 30th we will be in the
>    televised debates and it is anticipated to be one of the most 
> watched
>    things on local television this year. I've attached some coverage 
> that
>    ran in this mornings paper. My photo is front and center. The 
> article
>    mentions we are a big wild card, campaigning aggressively, and could
>    draw significant support. These are the kindest things a news
>    journalist have said about a Libertarian campaign I've ever read 
> about
>    in Florida. This is our chance to win.
>    I implore you all to help drum up support to win this seat instead 
> of
>    hampering it. We have huge momentum here on the ground, and we've
>    already broken fundraising records for a FL Libertarian State House
>    campaign in a special election, and are about $1,800 away from 
> breaking
>    the overall amount raised in any FL Libertarian State House 
> campaign.
>    We are making history and smashing through records from nearly 15 
> years
>    ago. Libertarians in Florida are on the rise.
>    As this email took an absorbent amount of time to write, if you have
>    follow-up questions, please give me a call: 941-840-0369. My time 
> needs
>    to be spent very wisely from now until election day on February 
> 13th.
>    This is the home stretch, the culmination of months and thousands of
>    hours of work. I'm running to advance our movement, to grow our 
> party,
>    and most of all to have Libertarian representation in our state. The
>    opportunity to win is dangling in front of us, ripe, and ready for 
> the
>    taking. The question is: do you really want it as much as I do?
>    
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>    Thank you,
>    Alison Foxall
>    Libertarian Candidate for FL House District 72
>    Special Election, February 13th, 2018
>    Volunteer Today: [8]foxallforflorida.com/volunteer
> 
>    On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 2:01 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>    <[9]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> 
>    I would like to hear Alison's view.
> 
>    On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 12:06 AM, Starchild <[10]starchild at lp.org>
>    wrote:
> 
>    > SARASOTA ï¿½ Legislation that would punish local governments that 
> donï¿½t
>    fully cooperate with federal immigration authorities drew support 
> from
>    Libertarian Alison Foxall and criticism from Democrat Margaret Good
>    during a candidate forum for the state House District 72 race 
> Tuesday.
>    > Foxall, a Sarasota marketing company owner, noted that the 
> so-called
>    sanctuary cities bill ï¿½ which cleared the Florida House last week 
> ï¿½ has
>    become ï¿½a very hot button issue.ï¿½
>    >
>    > ï¿½I donï¿½t understand why,ï¿½ Foxall said in arguing that 
> undocumented
>    immigrants present potential health and public safety problems.
>    (From
>    
> [11]http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20180116/sarasota-state-house-can
>    didates-debate-immigration-guns-abortion-at-forum)
>            I can't find anything on Alison Foxall's website about
>    immigration one way or the other, and want to give her the benefit 
> of
>    the doubt that the paper got it wrong. I've copied the candidate, 
> who
>    is also a member of the Social Media Process Review Committee, on 
> this
>    message so she can address what her local paper reported.
>            Hopefully we are not too preoccupied with policing 
> intemperate
>    posts on Facebook to be concerned if a Libertarian candidate is 
> taking
>    actual anti-libertarian positions at a public campaign event covered 
> by
>    the media. Allison's campaign is currently being touted in an ad on 
> the
>    front page of [12]LP.org.
>    Love & Liberty,
>                                       ((( starchild )))
>    At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>                                    [13]starchild at lp.org
>                                    (415) 625-FREE
> 
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> References
> 
>    1.
> http://floridapolitics.com/archives/248759-sanctuary-city-ban-bill-makes-comebac
>    2. mailto:zac.anderson at heraldtribune.com
>    3. 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_immigration_laws
>    4.
> http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/mar/15/florida-conference-catholic-bishops/being-united-states-unlawfully-crime/
>    5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNWnBmoFiGQ
>    6. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
>    7. mailto:alison at foxallforflorida.com
>    8. http://foxallforflorida.com/volunteer
>    9. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>   10. mailto:starchild at lp.org
>   11.
> http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20180116/sarasota-state-house-candidates-debate-immigration-guns-abortion-at-forum
>   12. http://LP.org/
>   13. mailto:starchild at lp.org
>   14. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   15. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 
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