[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-03: Censure of Arvin Vohra

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

So in short.  Arvin acted horribly - will continue to act horribly and we
have zero backbone to handle it.  He breached his fiduciary duty HE COST
OUR AFFILIATES DONORS, he insisted that our staff could rise to the
occasion of raising that extra money and then broke their legs.

My opinion.

I don’t care if I’m the sole yes.


I KNOW communicating radical ideas in a non-asshole way works.  I do it
every day.  IT TAKES MORE COURAGE to do that than be an unempathic edgelord.

And we bought it hook line and sinker.

Literally shaking my head.


On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 1:59 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> I maintain my position as what the majority of my regional Chairs want.
>
> I hear the concerns about the wording and will communicate those to my
> state Chairs to see if that influences their decision.
>
> However the case in region 1 was cumulative and not just about this
> incidence and like it or not age of consent is an issue this Party has
> argued about since the beginning and I see politicking here in this body to
> deny that and makes this body the arbiter when the line is drawn and not
> the delegates.
>
> This it seems to me that this has become less about Arvin’s reckless
> behaviour and more and factional jockeying.
>
> It seems that yes this is a continuation of 2006 where people were assured
> that the platform was simply streamlined and not changed - so trying the
> change the meaning of adult here to be an arbitrary state law when IT NEVER
> MEANT THAT in the old platforms is showing a hand.  IMHO.
>
> Which is a shame.  Because Arvin’s behaviour was abominable but it’s
> obvious this Body can’t do a thing about it.
>
> I will report to my regional Chairs and act accordingly.
>
> The 2/2 meeting will be a farce because of the will here to have a
> Libertarian Purity test.
>
> Which I find so ironic.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 1:19 PM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Please change my vote to "No" on this motion.  I tend to agree with
>> those who have pointed out that the wording of the censure seems to
>> imply approval of ideas that are abhorrent to me and to the LP.
>>
>> ---
>> Sam Goldstein
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>
>> On 2018-01-29 14:26, Alicia Mattson wrote:
>> > I have to vote no.
>> >    As I wrote previously, censure (and more) is warranted here,
>> > however, I
>> >    cannot vote for a motion which claims the outrageous comments which
>> >    were made by Mr. Vohra are "libertarian ideas", and that our leaders
>> >    and candidates are trying to win hearts and minds for those ideas
>> >    espoused by Mr. Vohra, just stated in a different way.
>> >    -Alicia
>> >
>> >    On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 7:03 PM, Alicia Mattson
>> >    <[1]agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >    We have an electronic mail ballot.
>> >    Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by January 30, 2018 at
>> >    11:59:59pm Pacific time.
>> >
>> >    Co-Sponsors:  Hayes, Hewitt, Demarest, Hagan
>> >    Motion:  to censure LNC Vice Chair Arvin Vohra for repeated public
>> >    comments which have presented libertarian ideas in an inflammatory
>> > and
>> >    sometimes offensive manner not conducive to Libertarian leaders and
>> >    candidates for public office winning hearts and minds for those
>> > ideas.
>> >    -Alicia
>> >
>> > References
>> >
>> >    1. mailto:agmattson at gmail.com
>>
>
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   So in short.  Arvin acted horribly - will continue to act horribly and
   we have zero backbone to handle it.  He breached his fiduciary duty HE
   COST OUR AFFILIATES DONORS, he insisted that our staff could rise to
   the occasion of raising that extra money and then broke their legs.

   My opinion.

   I don’t care if I’m the sole yes.

   I KNOW communicating radical ideas in a non-asshole way works.  I do it
   every day.  IT TAKES MORE COURAGE to do that than be an unempathic
   edgelord.

   And we bought it hook line and sinker.

   Literally shaking my head.

   On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 1:59 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
   <[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:

   I maintain my position as what the majority of my regional Chairs want.

   I hear the concerns about the wording and will communicate those to my
   state Chairs to see if that influences their decision.

   However the case in region 1 was cumulative and not just about this
   incidence and like it or not age of consent is an issue this Party has
   argued about since the beginning and I see politicking here in this
   body to deny that and makes this body the arbiter when the line is
   drawn and not the delegates.

   This it seems to me that this has become less about Arvin’s reckless
   behaviour and more and factional jockeying.

   It seems that yes this is a continuation of 2006 where people were
   assured that the platform was simply streamlined and not changed - so
   trying the change the meaning of adult here to be an arbitrary state
   law when IT NEVER MEANT THAT in the old platforms is showing a hand.
   IMHO.

   Which is a shame.  Because Arvin’s behaviour was abominable but it’s
   obvious this Body can’t do a thing about it.

   I will report to my regional Chairs and act accordingly.

   The 2/2 meeting will be a farce because of the will here to have a
   Libertarian Purity test.

   Which I find so ironic.

   On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 1:19 PM Sam Goldstein <[2]sam.goldstein at lp.org>
   wrote:

     Please change my vote to "No" on this motion.  I tend to agree with
     those who have pointed out that the wording of the censure seems to
     imply approval of ideas that are abhorrent to me and to the LP.
     ---
     Sam Goldstein
     Libertarian National Committee
     317-850-0726 Cell
     On 2018-01-29 14:26, Alicia Mattson wrote:
     > I have to vote no.
     >    As I wrote previously, censure (and more) is warranted here,
     > however, I
     >    cannot vote for a motion which claims the outrageous comments
     which
     >    were made by Mr. Vohra are "libertarian ideas", and that our
     leaders
     >    and candidates are trying to win hearts and minds for those
     ideas
     >    espoused by Mr. Vohra, just stated in a different way.
     >    -Alicia
     >
     >    On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 7:03 PM, Alicia Mattson
     >    <[1][3]agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:
     >
     >    We have an electronic mail ballot.
     >    Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by January 30, 2018 at
     >    11:59:59pm Pacific time.
     >
     >    Co-Sponsors:  Hayes, Hewitt, Demarest, Hagan
     >    Motion:  to censure LNC Vice Chair Arvin Vohra for repeated
     public
     >    comments which have presented libertarian ideas in an
     inflammatory
     > and
     >    sometimes offensive manner not conducive to Libertarian leaders
     and
     >    candidates for public office winning hearts and minds for those
     > ideas.
     >    -Alicia
     >
     > References
     >
     >    1. mailto:[4]agmattson at gmail.com

References

   1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
   2. mailto:sam.goldstein at lp.org
   3. mailto:agmattson at gmail.com
   4. mailto:agmattson at gmail.com