[Lnc-business] draft minutes of 02/02/18 LNC meeting
Starchild
starchild at lp.org
Sun Feb 11 21:22:19 EST 2018
Thank you, Tim. Glad you were able to cypher that info out! I'll try to allow a larger time margin on future votes. :-)
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
RealReform at earthlink.net
(415) 625-FREE
@StarchildSF
On Feb 10, 2018, at 12:33 PM, Tim Hagan wrote:
> I looked at the header of Starchild's e-mail from 31 January, and copied it below. The header shows lpmail.lp.org received the e-mail from ca.comcast.net at 31 Jan 2018 02:56:02 -0500 (EST). It appears to be then sent to lnc-business at 31 Jan 2018 03:10:14 -0500 (EST). The header shows he mailed his vote 3 minutes and 57 seconds before the 11:59:59 pm PST deadline.
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> Having to investigate e-mails' time can be prevented by members not waiting until the last couple of minutes to cast their vote.
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> Tim Hagan
> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>
> On 2018-02-10 03:27, Starchild wrote:
>> Alicia,
>> In the previous cases from last year and the year before there's no
>> dispute that I voted after the voting period had expired (I'm pretty
>> sure I acknowledged as much at the time), but in this case I'm
>> confident I voted in a timely manner, and since my vote will not
>> affect the outcome one way or the other I see little reason to be
>> inflexible about adding a note, at a minimum, if not actually count
>> the vote. Unfortunately I'm not enough of a techie to know how to
>> prove to you that my vote was cast before midnight here, beyond
>> whatever evidence may be contained in the email itself, but I honestly
>> believe that to be the case.
>> The reason I consider it important to include my comment about the
>> motion to adjourn in the minutes is that if it is not included, moving
>> to allow public comment when I'd previously moved to adjourn could
>> look blatantly hypocritical, and I don't think it's fair to leave
>> readers with that impression when I noted my error in the chat window,
>> and verbally, before later moving to allow public comment (which
>> shouldn't even need a motion, imho, as it should always be part of our
>> meetings!).
>> Love & Liberty,
>> ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> RealReform at earthlink.net
>> (415) 625-FREE
>> @StarchildSF
>> On Feb 5, 2018, at 11:21 PM, Alicia Mattson wrote:
>>> Starchild,
>>> Several LNC members commented during the meeting, with each believing
>>> that their comments were important enough to say out loud. I didn't
>>> record their general debate comments in the minutes, either.
>>> Regarding the late vote on the email ballot:
>>> On the 2017-14 email ballot when another member voted too late, I did
>>> not add a note to the minutes.
>>> On the 2017-13 email ballot when another member voted too late, I did
>>> not add a note to the minutes.
>>> On the 2017-08 email ballot when you voted 3 hours too late, I did not
>>> add a note to the minutes.
>>> On the 2016-09 email ballot when you voted 3 minutes, 52 seconds too
>>> late, I did not add a note to the minutes.
>>> I don't see a reason to treat this situation differently than I have
>>> consistently handled it throughout this term.
>>> We've given a very generous interpretation to the ending time for email
>>> ballots, and the only time stamp that I have is the one on the email
>>> server. If, however, you have some other evidence that your vote was
>>> actually cast before the deadline (it can happen), simply provide it so
>>> the LNC and I can consider counting your vote.
>>> -Alicia
>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Starchild <[1]starchild at lp.org> wrote:
>>> Thanks, Alicia. I would like it noted in the minutes that
>>> when I moved to allow public comment, I stated that my previous
>>> motion to adjourn had been inappropriate, because we had not yet had
>>> public comment. Will you make this change?
>>> Also I did not see a response from you regarding my request
>>> that it be noted in the minutes that I cast a vote against the email
>>> censure ballot, but you found the vote came after the clock on the
>>> LP server indicated it was several minutes after the voting deadline
>>> and therefore it was not counted (although as I noted, it was not
>>> late according to the time as recorded by my cell phone).
>>> Love & Liberty,
>>> ((( starchild )))
>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>> [2]RealReform at earthlink.net
>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>> On Feb 4, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Alicia Mattson wrote:
>>>> Attached are the first draft minutes from the February 2, 2018 LNC
>>>> electronic meeting.
>>>> Please note that comments on the minutes are due by February 19.
>>>> -Alicia
>>>> <2018_02_02 LNC Minutes - v1.pdf>
>>> References
>>> 1. mailto:starchild at lp.org
>>> 2. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
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