[Lnc-business] Membership Recruitment

Elizabeth Van Horn elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
Fri Mar 9 13:22:02 EST 2018


Wes, which I why I said that people can just sign-up online!  From a 
laptop.  *boom* Done. A gift is sent to their house. I got a wonderful 
mobile device charger with an LP logo this way.

But, that's not what Caryn Ann wants to do.  She wants to give people 
*on the spot* a T-shirt or some-other LP gift.  She's also campaigning 
for a national officer position.  That's the difference.






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Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
http://www.lpcaucus.org/

On 2018-03-09 09:42, Wes Benedict wrote:
> The Libertarian Party has been offering T-shirts and other things as
> membership promotions for a long time.
> 
> For example:
> 
> https://www.lp.org/join11/
> https://www.lp.org/join10/
> https://www.lp.org/join9/
> 
> If I remember correctly Caryn Ann started out recruiting members at
> state conventions without offering anything in return. As she did that
> work, members who had seen T-shirt offerings various places online
> would start to ask Caryn Ann "can I get a shirt since I joined."
> 
> Our standard response to those who ask has been "yes we'll give you a
> shirt. What size do you wear?" and we ship them a shirt (polos
> excluded because they are higher cost").
> 
> As a result of Caryn Ann recruiting so many members and members asking
> for shirts, quite some time ago I decided to provide a small supply of
> shirts to Caryn Ann to use when promoting memberships.
> 
> If any other LNC members want to help recruit memberships, let me
> know, and I'll send you a small supply of these two shirts:
> https://lpstore.org/product/long-sleeve-black-t-shirt/
> https://lpstore.org/product/im-with-her-t-shirt/
> 
> These shirts are to be used for membership recruitment purposes. Any
> you don't use should be returned to me in the future.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
> 
> On 3/9/2018 8:56 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>     There is no service.  Conversely in fact.
>> 
>>     (and btw though not applicable it is an either/or in that 
>> statement)
>> 
>>     On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 5:55 AM Elizabeth Van Horn
>>     <[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>> 
>>       Caryn Ann, you're running for a national officer position.  From 
>> the
>>       LNC
>>       Policy Manual page 46:
>>       ------
>>       "6) Limitations on Party Support for Party Office
>>       Party resources shall not be used to provide information or 
>> services
>>       for
>>       any candidate for party
>>       office unless:
>>       • such information or services are available and announced on an
>>       equal
>>       basis to all
>>       Libertarians who have declared they are seeking that office, or
>>       • such information or services are generally available and 
>> announced
>>       to
>>       all party
>>       members."
>>       -----
>>       The above language isn't "either/or", which would indicate only 
>> one
>>       condition applies. Both conditions apply.
>>       ---
>>       Elizabeth Van Horn
>>       On 2018-03-09 01:56, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>       > I say let’s get everyone who wants to recruiting.  I don’t see 
>> a
>>       line
>>       >    forming after the last offer by Wes.
>>       >    And we are insanely territorial. And I will continue to 
>> point
>>       it
>>       > out.
>>       >    I don’t appreciate its existence.
>>       >    I almost as a joke was going to ask if I needed permission 
>> to
>>       wear
>>       > my
>>       >    Party issued name badge.  Then I stopped and realized that 
>> the
>>       > internal
>>       >    senseless politicking has reached Peak Poe’s Law and it is
>>       >    indistinguishable from a parody of itself and it could go
>>       either
>>       > way.
>>       >    I will be.  Lodge objections now.
>>       >    On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:02 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
>>       >    <[1][2]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>       >
>>       >      Caryn Ann, people can go to the website and sign-up for
>>       > membership.
>>       >      I
>>       >      have no idea what you mean by "the standard membership 
>> pitch"
>>       or
>>       >      standard supplies.  Nor, do I appreciate you using terms
>>       like,
>>       >      "insanely
>>       >      territorial and self-destructive", when I'm saying to you 
>> the
>>       same
>>       >      things I'd say to anyone who is running a campaign for a
>>       national
>>       > LP
>>       >      officer position.  We currently have three people running 
>> for
>>       > chair,
>>       >      and
>>       >      six or seven running for Vice-Chair, and two that I know 
>> of
>>       who
>>       > are
>>       >      running (maybe declared) for secretary.  Gosh, at this 
>> rate,
>>       more
>>       >      people
>>       >      may jump into the fray.  Are all these people going to be
>>       given
>>       > the
>>       >      same
>>       >      materials?  Some are making trips to a lot of state
>>       conventions.
>>       >      Are those people going to be given the exact same 
>> supplies as
>>       you?
>>       >      If
>>       >      the supplies are T-shirts and gifts, then do they all get
>>       those to
>>       >      give
>>       >      to people while they campaign?  What if they're 
>> signing-up
>>       > national
>>       >      members?  As it's easier to influence people when they're
>>       being
>>       >      given
>>       >      something.
>>       >      You yourself wrote:   "People sign up twice as much when 
>> they
>>       get
>>       >      something in their hands on the spot."  That goes for
>>       campaigning
>>       >      too.
>>       >      I'm still not understanding why you send envelopes to 
>> LPHQ
>>       when
>>       >      signing
>>       >      up members.  I've never heard of anyone doing that.  
>> People I
>>       know
>>       >      just
>>       >      sign-up someone, and that's that.  We're not keeping 
>> track or
>>       >      recording
>>       >      the numbers, as it's not a competition.
>>       >      Turning the tide on membership isn't going to happen with
>>       >      blitz-sign-ups
>>       >      at conventions. Daily I'm seeing people announce that 
>> they're
>>       >      leaving
>>       >      the LP.  Some even shared with me information on new
>>       political
>>       > party
>>       >      they're attempting to start. (Former LP members who all 
>> just
>>       left
>>       >      the LP
>>       >      this past year) The issue is a systemic one. When I 
>> mention
>>       this
>>       >      issue,
>>       >      I get the usual reaction from the usual people.  So, I 
>> expect
>>       no
>>       >      different this time.
>>       >      If you wish to take up this issue at the April LNC 
>> meeting,
>>       then I
>>       >      look
>>       >      forward to the discussion.
>>       >      ---
>>       >      Elizabeth Van Horn
>>       >      LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>       >      Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>>       >      Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>>       >      Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>>       >      [2][3]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>       >      On 2018-03-09 00:19, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>       >      > Members are entitled to a free shirt.
>>       >      >    All of us should be doing this and that opportunity 
>> is
>>       > equally
>>       >      >    available to all.
>>       >      >    To say that successful recruiters who happen to be
>>       running
>>       >      cannot
>>       >      > use
>>       >      >    the standard membership pitch to me is where we get
>>       insanely
>>       >      >    territorial and self-destructive.
>>       >      >    People sign up twice as much when they get something 
>> in
>>       their
>>       >      hands
>>       >      > on
>>       >      >    the spot.
>>       >      >    I will get 100 more members.  If I have to be 
>> hobbled by
>>       not
>>       >      even
>>       >      >    having the standard supplies, well - we aren’t
>>       interested in
>>       >      signing
>>       >      > up
>>       >      >    members because we are too concerned over our
>>       internicence
>>       >      >    calculations.  And if that’s the case - I’m not 
>> setting
>>       > myself
>>       >      up
>>       >      > for
>>       >      >    failure.  If I’m going to recruit, I’m going to kick
>>       ass.  If
>>       >      I’m
>>       >      > not
>>       >      >    equipped for success then I’m going to put my energy
>>       > elsewhere
>>       >      and
>>       >      > will
>>       >      >    deliver to Wes in April the remainder and will not 
>> get
>>       the 20
>>       >      at the
>>       >      > CO
>>       >      >    convention which is my goal.
>>       >      >    I would like the rest of the LNC to weigh in.
>>       >      >    If not please consider this my request for agenda 
>> time
>>       in
>>       > April
>>       >      to
>>       >      >    settle this.
>>       >      >    -Caryn Ann
>>       >      >    -Caryn Ann
>>       >      >    On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:54 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
>>       >      >    <[1][3][4]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>       >      >
>>       >      >      Caryn Ann, I think it's great that you do 
>> membership
>>       >      recruiting.
>>       >      >      My concern would be if you're personal campaigning 
>> and
>>       also
>>       >      using
>>       >      >      membership supplies that are gifts/freebie things 
>> to
>>       give
>>       > to
>>       >      >      prospective
>>       >      >      recruits.  (You'd mentioned T-shirts, in a past
>>       > communication
>>       >      on
>>       >      >      this
>>       >      >      subject.)   I'm not sure what membership supplies
>>       you'd
>>       > need,
>>       >      as
>>       >      >      signing
>>       >      >      up members can just be done with a laptop on the 
>> spot.
>>       No
>>       >      need for
>>       >      >      supplies.  So, if you're not giving people gifts 
>> or
>>       freebie
>>       >      stuff,
>>       >      >      while
>>       >      >      signing-up/campaigning, then I see no issue.
>>       >      >      ---
>>       >      >      Elizabeth Van Horn
>>       >      >      LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>       >      >      Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>>       >      >      Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>>       >      >      Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>>       >      >      [2][4][5]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>       >      >      On 2018-03-08 23:34, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>       >      >      > Beginning April I will be at a convention nearly
>>       every
>>       >      weekend,
>>       >      >      some of
>>       >      >      >    them I am an invited guest speaker and other 
>> are
>>       >      campaign
>>       >      >      trips.
>>       >      >      >    Is there any objection to my continuing my
>>       membership
>>       >      >      recruitment
>>       >      >      >    during these trips (no cost to the Party 
>> other
>>       than
>>       > the
>>       >      >      membership
>>       >      >      >    supplies).
>>       >      >      >    --
>>       >      >      >    --
>>       >      >      >    In Liberty,
>>       >      >      >    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>       >      >      >    Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
>>       > Committee
>>       >      >      (Alaska,
>>       >      >      >    Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, 
>> Utah,
>>       >      Wyoming,
>>       >      >      > Washington)
>>       >      >      >    - [1]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>       >      >      >    Communications Director, [2]Libertarian Party 
>> of
>>       >      Colorado
>>       >      >      >    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>       >      >      >    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>       >      >      >    We defend your rights
>>       >      >      >    And oppose the use of force
>>       >      >      >    Taxation is theft
>>       >      >      >
>>       >      >      > References
>>       >      >      >
>>       >      >      >    1. mailto:[3]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>       >      >      >    2. [4][5][6]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>       >      >
>>       >      >    --
>>       >      >
>>       >      >    --
>>       >      >    In Liberty,
>>       >      >    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>       >      >    Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National 
>> Committee
>>       >      (Alaska,
>>       >      >    Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
>>       Wyoming,
>>       >      > Washington)
>>       >      >    - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>       >      >    Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of
>>       Colorado
>>       >      >    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>       >      >    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>       >      >    We defend your rights
>>       >      >    And oppose the use of force
>>       >      >    Taxation is theft
>>       >      >
>>       >      > References
>>       >      >
>>       >      >    1. mailto:[6][7]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>       >      >    2. [7][8]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>       >      >    3. mailto:[8]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>       >      >    4. [9][9]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>       >      >    5. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>       >      >    6. [11][10]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>       >
>>       >    --
>>       >
>>       >    --
>>       >    In Liberty,
>>       >    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>       >    Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>       (Alaska,
>>       >    Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>       > Washington)
>>       >    - [12]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>       >    Communications Director, [13]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>       >    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>       >    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>       >    We defend your rights
>>       >    And oppose the use of force
>>       >    Taxation is theft
>>       >
>>       > References
>>       >
>>       >    1. mailto:[11]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>       >    2. [12]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>       >    3. mailto:[13]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>       >    4. [14]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>       >    5. [15]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>       >    6. mailto:[16]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>       >    7. [17]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>       >    8. mailto:[18]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>       >    9. [19]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>       >   10. mailto:[20]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>       >   11. [21]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>       >   12. mailto:[22]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>       >   13. [23]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 
>>     --
>> 
>>     --
>>     In Liberty,
>>     Caryn Ann Harlos
>>     Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>     Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, 
>> Washington)
>>     - [24]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>     Communications Director, [25]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>     Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>     A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>     We defend your rights
>>     And oppose the use of force
>>     Taxation is theft
>> 
>> References
>> 
>>     1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>     2. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>     3. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>     4. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>     5. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>     6. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>     7. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>     8. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>     9. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>    10. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>    11. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>    12. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>    13. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>    14. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>    15. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>    16. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>    17. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>    18. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>    19. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>    20. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>    21. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>    22. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>    23. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>    24. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>    25. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 



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