[Lnc-business] Membership Recruitment
Elizabeth Van Horn
elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
Fri Mar 9 13:22:02 EST 2018
Wes, which I why I said that people can just sign-up online! From a
laptop. *boom* Done. A gift is sent to their house. I got a wonderful
mobile device charger with an LP logo this way.
But, that's not what Caryn Ann wants to do. She wants to give people
*on the spot* a T-shirt or some-other LP gift. She's also campaigning
for a national officer position. That's the difference.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
http://www.lpcaucus.org/
On 2018-03-09 09:42, Wes Benedict wrote:
> The Libertarian Party has been offering T-shirts and other things as
> membership promotions for a long time.
>
> For example:
>
> https://www.lp.org/join11/
> https://www.lp.org/join10/
> https://www.lp.org/join9/
>
> If I remember correctly Caryn Ann started out recruiting members at
> state conventions without offering anything in return. As she did that
> work, members who had seen T-shirt offerings various places online
> would start to ask Caryn Ann "can I get a shirt since I joined."
>
> Our standard response to those who ask has been "yes we'll give you a
> shirt. What size do you wear?" and we ship them a shirt (polos
> excluded because they are higher cost").
>
> As a result of Caryn Ann recruiting so many members and members asking
> for shirts, quite some time ago I decided to provide a small supply of
> shirts to Caryn Ann to use when promoting memberships.
>
> If any other LNC members want to help recruit memberships, let me
> know, and I'll send you a small supply of these two shirts:
> https://lpstore.org/product/long-sleeve-black-t-shirt/
> https://lpstore.org/product/im-with-her-t-shirt/
>
> These shirts are to be used for membership recruitment purposes. Any
> you don't use should be returned to me in the future.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>
> On 3/9/2018 8:56 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> There is no service. Conversely in fact.
>>
>> (and btw though not applicable it is an either/or in that
>> statement)
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 5:55 AM Elizabeth Van Horn
>> <[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Caryn Ann, you're running for a national officer position. From
>> the
>> LNC
>> Policy Manual page 46:
>> ------
>> "6) Limitations on Party Support for Party Office
>> Party resources shall not be used to provide information or
>> services
>> for
>> any candidate for party
>> office unless:
>> • such information or services are available and announced on an
>> equal
>> basis to all
>> Libertarians who have declared they are seeking that office, or
>> • such information or services are generally available and
>> announced
>> to
>> all party
>> members."
>> -----
>> The above language isn't "either/or", which would indicate only
>> one
>> condition applies. Both conditions apply.
>> ---
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> On 2018-03-09 01:56, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> > I say let’s get everyone who wants to recruiting. I don’t see
>> a
>> line
>> > forming after the last offer by Wes.
>> > And we are insanely territorial. And I will continue to
>> point
>> it
>> > out.
>> > I don’t appreciate its existence.
>> > I almost as a joke was going to ask if I needed permission
>> to
>> wear
>> > my
>> > Party issued name badge. Then I stopped and realized that
>> the
>> > internal
>> > senseless politicking has reached Peak Poe’s Law and it is
>> > indistinguishable from a parody of itself and it could go
>> either
>> > way.
>> > I will be. Lodge objections now.
>> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:02 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
>> > <[1][2]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Caryn Ann, people can go to the website and sign-up for
>> > membership.
>> > I
>> > have no idea what you mean by "the standard membership
>> pitch"
>> or
>> > standard supplies. Nor, do I appreciate you using terms
>> like,
>> > "insanely
>> > territorial and self-destructive", when I'm saying to you
>> the
>> same
>> > things I'd say to anyone who is running a campaign for a
>> national
>> > LP
>> > officer position. We currently have three people running
>> for
>> > chair,
>> > and
>> > six or seven running for Vice-Chair, and two that I know
>> of
>> who
>> > are
>> > running (maybe declared) for secretary. Gosh, at this
>> rate,
>> more
>> > people
>> > may jump into the fray. Are all these people going to be
>> given
>> > the
>> > same
>> > materials? Some are making trips to a lot of state
>> conventions.
>> > Are those people going to be given the exact same
>> supplies as
>> you?
>> > If
>> > the supplies are T-shirts and gifts, then do they all get
>> those to
>> > give
>> > to people while they campaign? What if they're
>> signing-up
>> > national
>> > members? As it's easier to influence people when they're
>> being
>> > given
>> > something.
>> > You yourself wrote: "People sign up twice as much when
>> they
>> get
>> > something in their hands on the spot." That goes for
>> campaigning
>> > too.
>> > I'm still not understanding why you send envelopes to
>> LPHQ
>> when
>> > signing
>> > up members. I've never heard of anyone doing that.
>> People I
>> know
>> > just
>> > sign-up someone, and that's that. We're not keeping
>> track or
>> > recording
>> > the numbers, as it's not a competition.
>> > Turning the tide on membership isn't going to happen with
>> > blitz-sign-ups
>> > at conventions. Daily I'm seeing people announce that
>> they're
>> > leaving
>> > the LP. Some even shared with me information on new
>> political
>> > party
>> > they're attempting to start. (Former LP members who all
>> just
>> left
>> > the LP
>> > this past year) The issue is a systemic one. When I
>> mention
>> this
>> > issue,
>> > I get the usual reaction from the usual people. So, I
>> expect
>> no
>> > different this time.
>> > If you wish to take up this issue at the April LNC
>> meeting,
>> then I
>> > look
>> > forward to the discussion.
>> > ---
>> > Elizabeth Van Horn
>> > LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> > Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>> > Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>> > Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>> > [2][3]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> > On 2018-03-09 00:19, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> > > Members are entitled to a free shirt.
>> > > All of us should be doing this and that opportunity
>> is
>> > equally
>> > > available to all.
>> > > To say that successful recruiters who happen to be
>> running
>> > cannot
>> > > use
>> > > the standard membership pitch to me is where we get
>> insanely
>> > > territorial and self-destructive.
>> > > People sign up twice as much when they get something
>> in
>> their
>> > hands
>> > > on
>> > > the spot.
>> > > I will get 100 more members. If I have to be
>> hobbled by
>> not
>> > even
>> > > having the standard supplies, well - we aren’t
>> interested in
>> > signing
>> > > up
>> > > members because we are too concerned over our
>> internicence
>> > > calculations. And if that’s the case - I’m not
>> setting
>> > myself
>> > up
>> > > for
>> > > failure. If I’m going to recruit, I’m going to kick
>> ass. If
>> > I’m
>> > > not
>> > > equipped for success then I’m going to put my energy
>> > elsewhere
>> > and
>> > > will
>> > > deliver to Wes in April the remainder and will not
>> get
>> the 20
>> > at the
>> > > CO
>> > > convention which is my goal.
>> > > I would like the rest of the LNC to weigh in.
>> > > If not please consider this my request for agenda
>> time
>> in
>> > April
>> > to
>> > > settle this.
>> > > -Caryn Ann
>> > > -Caryn Ann
>> > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:54 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
>> > > <[1][3][4]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Caryn Ann, I think it's great that you do
>> membership
>> > recruiting.
>> > > My concern would be if you're personal campaigning
>> and
>> also
>> > using
>> > > membership supplies that are gifts/freebie things
>> to
>> give
>> > to
>> > > prospective
>> > > recruits. (You'd mentioned T-shirts, in a past
>> > communication
>> > on
>> > > this
>> > > subject.) I'm not sure what membership supplies
>> you'd
>> > need,
>> > as
>> > > signing
>> > > up members can just be done with a laptop on the
>> spot.
>> No
>> > need for
>> > > supplies. So, if you're not giving people gifts
>> or
>> freebie
>> > stuff,
>> > > while
>> > > signing-up/campaigning, then I see no issue.
>> > > ---
>> > > Elizabeth Van Horn
>> > > LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> > > Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>> > > Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>> > > Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>> > > [2][4][5]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> > > On 2018-03-08 23:34, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> > > > Beginning April I will be at a convention nearly
>> every
>> > weekend,
>> > > some of
>> > > > them I am an invited guest speaker and other
>> are
>> > campaign
>> > > trips.
>> > > > Is there any objection to my continuing my
>> membership
>> > > recruitment
>> > > > during these trips (no cost to the Party
>> other
>> than
>> > the
>> > > membership
>> > > > supplies).
>> > > > --
>> > > > --
>> > > > In Liberty,
>> > > > Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > > > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
>> > Committee
>> > > (Alaska,
>> > > > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana,
>> Utah,
>> > Wyoming,
>> > > > Washington)
>> > > > - [1]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> > > > Communications Director, [2]Libertarian Party
>> of
>> > Colorado
>> > > > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>> > > > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> > > > We defend your rights
>> > > > And oppose the use of force
>> > > > Taxation is theft
>> > > >
>> > > > References
>> > > >
>> > > > 1. mailto:[3]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> > > > 2. [4][5][6]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > In Liberty,
>> > > Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
>> Committee
>> > (Alaska,
>> > > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
>> Wyoming,
>> > > Washington)
>> > > - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> > > Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of
>> Colorado
>> > > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>> > > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> > > We defend your rights
>> > > And oppose the use of force
>> > > Taxation is theft
>> > >
>> > > References
>> > >
>> > > 1. mailto:[6][7]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> > > 2. [7][8]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> > > 3. mailto:[8]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> > > 4. [9][9]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> > > 5. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> > > 6. [11][10]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > --
>> > In Liberty,
>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> (Alaska,
>> > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> > Washington)
>> > - [12]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> > Communications Director, [13]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> > We defend your rights
>> > And oppose the use of force
>> > Taxation is theft
>> >
>> > References
>> >
>> > 1. mailto:[11]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> > 2. [12]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> > 3. mailto:[13]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> > 4. [14]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> > 5. [15]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> > 6. mailto:[16]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> > 7. [17]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> > 8. mailto:[18]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> > 9. [19]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> > 10. mailto:[20]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> > 11. [21]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> > 12. mailto:[22]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> > 13. [23]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>
>> --
>>
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>> - [24]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, [25]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 2. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 3. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> 4. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 5. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> 6. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 7. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 8. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> 9. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 10. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 11. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 12. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> 13. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 14. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> 15. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 16. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 17. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> 18. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 19. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 20. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 21. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 22. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 23. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 24. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 25. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>
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