[Lnc-business] Concerned member

erin.adams at lp.org erin.adams at lp.org
Sat Apr 7 10:10:41 EDT 2018


I am going to mirror Starchild in saying "If the Audacious Caucus is 
okay with this, I don't want to be associated with them. I don't want 
anybody using me as a human shield. "
Ditto





On 2018-04-07 03:14, Starchild wrote:
> Well put, both of you (Steven and Sam).
> 
> 	Jason, I appreciate and share your concern. If James Wood wrote that
> stuff, I don't know what he thinks he's doing, but I don't appreciate
> it.
> 
> 	 The idea that Tim McVeigh was right to attack the federal
> government, but that he should have done proper reconnaissance so as
> to have been aware of the kids in the daycare center cynically
> believed to have been used by the Feds as deliberate human shields is
> not one I'm going to argue with on moral grounds.
> 
> 	However I will point out that given how governments have often
> treated those they label as "terrorists" or their associates, anyone
> who expresses an affinity, especially an organizational affinity, with
> terrorists; openly calls for responding to government violence with
> civilian violence; or even engages in actual violence such as Peter
> Hendrickson did – the NY Times magazine article you link
> (https://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29taxes-t.html) is
> quite an interesting read – while actively associating themselves with
> the institutionally non-violent Libertarian Party and its followers,
> is in effect using US as their human shields.
> 
> 	A simpler and clearer example of this would be attending a peaceful
> anti-police-abuse demonstration, and while marching, running up to
> nearby police lines yelling at and threatening to punch a cop, and
> then running back into the midst of the peaceful demonstrators and
> rejoining the march. It exposes people and organizations to collateral
> damage they did not sign up for, including risk of direct physical
> harm.
> 
> 	If the Audacious Caucus is okay with this, I don't want to be
> associated with them. I don't want anybody using me as a human shield.
> 
> 	Deciding to take up arms against tyranny or actively work with those
> who do, and assume all the risks attendant to that choice, is a very
> personal decision for each individual to make. If and when I ever make
> that choice, I want it to be my choice alone – and if I make it, it
> will be to join FREEDOM FIGHTERS, not terrorists, "domestic" or
> otherwise.
> 
> Love & Liberty,
> 
>                                     ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>                         RealReform at earthlink.net
>                                  (415) 625-FREE
>                                    @StarchildSF
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 6, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Sam Goldstein wrote:
> 
>> Jason,
>> 
>> I will also add to Mr. Nekhalia's comments below that Mr. Wood is not 
>> a current member of the national Libertarian Party.  You might contact 
>> the MILP to discuss your concerns with them since they do have a 
>> history of taking action against rogue members.
>> 
>> In Liberty,
>> 
>> ---
>> Sam Goldstein
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>> 
>> On 2018-04-06 13:03, steven.nekhaila at lp.org wrote:
>>> Hello Jason,
>>> Thank you for bringing this to our attention, this is not something
>>> the Libertarian National Committee can specifically address other 
>>> than
>>> coaching the Libertarian Party of Michigan if they seek to take 
>>> action
>>> against this member. If this individual decides to make credible
>>> threats, I would trust those who observe such threats to make the
>>> proper the call on action, whether its reporting it to the Michigan
>>> Libertarian Party or appropriate bodies as they see fit, there is
>>> nothing we can do as National. I do not wish to be dismissive of your
>>> concerns, but being associated with the Libertarian Party is to be
>>> associated with hundreds of thousands of others who call themselves
>>> libertarians and Libertarian Party members. Republicans, Democrats,
>>> and Libertarians are all capable of being "audacious" and saying
>>> something outrageous, even acting out, one person is not, however,
>>> representative of the whole. Your association with the party is the
>>> water that dilutes the pollution, I do not see the pollution as the
>>> reason to leave. You will find there is pollution everywhere you go.
>>> As for a shadow rising of the LNC, I am not overly concerned, while
>>> these small groups may be loud, they have no power unless they are
>>> elected by the delegates.
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Steven Nekhaila
>>> Region 2 Representative Alternate
>>> On 2018-04-06 11:35 AM, Someone Else wrote:
>>>> Greetings,
>>>> I became a foundation member of the National Party on 6/19/2017 and 
>>>> I
>>>> registered with my State party shortly before the 2016 election. I 
>>>> am
>>>> currently a precinct committeeman.
>>>> As someone who is considering whether or not to step up my 
>>>> involvement
>>>> or to go back to being a non-voting Independent,  I would like to
>>>> express a concern that I have regarding something I recently 
>>>> observed.
>>>> I hope this isn't simply dismissed as "Facebook Drama" or just the
>>>> Audacious Caucus doing their thing, because it goes beyond that.
>>>> I have attached a series of screenshots of comments made by Jeff 
>>>> Wood
>>>> of the Audacious Caucus and the Libertarian Party of Michigan in 
>>>> which
>>>> he cites the 1990 Scarborough Tax Day Mail Bombing as a source of
>>>> inspiration as well as defending the actions of Timothy McVeigh and
>>>> offers a "blanket invitation to domestic terrorists and violent drug
>>>> cartels" to join the Libertarian Party.  He also boldly states "I
>>>> fully intend to shoot police and soldiers with automatic weapons at
>>>> some point in my lifetime".
>>>> I shouldn't have to explain why this is a concern.  I realize the
>>>> whole Audacious thing is about being "so outrageous they can't be
>>>> ignored", but he is openly advocating for domestic terrorists to 
>>>> join
>>>> the party.  Between this and certain other members of the danger
>>>> caucus who claim to be actively recruiting Antifa, I am considering
>>>> withdrawing any future support for this Party as I cannot in good
>>>> conscience be associated with such things. My wife is already
>>>> reluctant to join and needless to say this has not helped me 
>>>> convince
>>>> her.
>>>> I am not going to presume to suggest what, if anything, the LNC 
>>>> should
>>>> do about this matter,  but I feel it is necessary to bring it to 
>>>> your
>>>> attention.  I will say that if the so-called "Shadow LNC Rising" aka
>>>> Audacious Caucus and their affiliated groups ever gain a significant
>>>> foothold in the LP beyond their little echo chamber (which certainly
>>>> appears to be their goal) I will leave and never look back.
>>>> Thank you for your time.  Please view and consider the attachments.
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Jason Gillam, MCLP PCM




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