[Lnc-business] Concerned member

Sat Apr 7 12:39:55 EDT 2018

Caryn Ann:  I am unaware of what you are asserting below.  I would like 
to know more.  When you can, and if you like, please call me at 
703-864-2132.  Please leave a voicemail if I don't pick up.  Thanks, 
Bill Redpath

On 2018-04-07 11:58, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> I would caution against making this about any particular caucus.  What
>    it is about is tolerating or giving succor to anyone who would be
>    openly advocating these things within the Party.  The people change.
>    Caucuses change.  This has been something that was a "do not cross"
>    line since day one of the Party.
>    I will say what I have been saying.  We invited ethno-nationalists 
> to
>    GTFO (which was a proud moment for our Party) yet we are absolutely
>    SILENT to the very real issues of far leftist and violent 
> revolutionary
>    entryism.
>    Why?
>    And we are ignoring other things.  Yes, yes affiliates are 
> autonomous
>    and we cannot tell them what to do, but we CAN use our bully pulpit 
> to
>    make it clear that this is not what the LP is about.  We have an
>    intimidation problem in this Party and nothing is done.  I have
>    mentioned over and over the physical intimidation (legally assault)
>    that happened to me last convention to pretty much utter silence.
>    Why?  There are cases of woman leaders being intimidated out of the
>    Party (details can be given in private).
>    This needs to stop.
> 
>    On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 9:10 AM, <[1]erin.adams at lp.org> wrote:
> 
>      I am going to mirror Starchild in saying "If the Audacious Caucus 
> is
>      okay with this, I don't want to be associated with them. I don't
>      want anybody using me as a human shield. "
>      Ditto
> 
>    On 2018-04-07 03:14, Starchild wrote:
> 
>      Well put, both of you (Steven and Sam).
>              Jason, I appreciate and share your concern. If James Wood
>      wrote that
>      stuff, I don't know what he thinks he's doing, but I don't
>      appreciate
>      it.
>               The idea that Tim McVeigh was right to attack the federal
>      government, but that he should have done proper reconnaissance so 
> as
>      to have been aware of the kids in the daycare center cynically
>      believed to have been used by the Feds as deliberate human shields
>      is
>      not one I'm going to argue with on moral grounds.
>              However I will point out that given how governments have
>      often
>      treated those they label as "terrorists" or their associates, 
> anyone
>      who expresses an affinity, especially an organizational affinity,
>      with
>      terrorists; openly calls for responding to government violence 
> with
>      civilian violence; or even engages in actual violence such as 
> Peter
>      Hendrickson did – the NY Times magazine article you link
>      ([2]https://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29taxes-t.html)
>      is
>      quite an interesting read – while actively associating themselves
>      with
>      the institutionally non-violent Libertarian Party and its 
> followers,
>      is in effect using US as their human shields.
>              A simpler and clearer example of this would be attending a
>      peaceful
>      anti-police-abuse demonstration, and while marching, running up to
>      nearby police lines yelling at and threatening to punch a cop, and
>      then running back into the midst of the peaceful demonstrators and
>      rejoining the march. It exposes people and organizations to
>      collateral
>      damage they did not sign up for, including risk of direct physical
>      harm.
>              If the Audacious Caucus is okay with this, I don't want to
>      be
>      associated with them. I don't want anybody using me as a human
>      shield.
>              Deciding to take up arms against tyranny or actively work
>      with those
>      who do, and assume all the risks attendant to that choice, is a 
> very
>      personal decision for each individual to make. If and when I ever
>      make
>      that choice, I want it to be my choice alone – and if I make it, 
> it
>      will be to join FREEDOM FIGHTERS, not terrorists, "domestic" or
>      otherwise.
>      Love & Liberty,
>                                          ((( starchild )))
>      At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>                              [3]RealReform at earthlink.net
>                                       (415) 625-FREE
>                                         @StarchildSF
>      On Apr 6, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Sam Goldstein wrote:
> 
>      Jason,
>      I will also add to Mr. Nekhalia's comments below that Mr. Wood is
>      not a current member of the national Libertarian Party.  You might
>      contact the MILP to discuss your concerns with them since they do
>      have a history of taking action against rogue members.
>      In Liberty,
>      ---
>      Sam Goldstein
>      Libertarian National Committee
>      317-850-0726 Cell
>      On 2018-04-06 13:03, [4]steven.nekhaila at lp.org wrote:
> 
>      Hello Jason,
>      Thank you for bringing this to our attention, this is not 
> something
>      the Libertarian National Committee can specifically address other
>      than
>      coaching the Libertarian Party of Michigan if they seek to take
>      action
>      against this member. If this individual decides to make credible
>      threats, I would trust those who observe such threats to make the
>      proper the call on action, whether its reporting it to the 
> Michigan
>      Libertarian Party or appropriate bodies as they see fit, there is
>      nothing we can do as National. I do not wish to be dismissive of
>      your
>      concerns, but being associated with the Libertarian Party is to be
>      associated with hundreds of thousands of others who call 
> themselves
>      libertarians and Libertarian Party members. Republicans, 
> Democrats,
>      and Libertarians are all capable of being "audacious" and saying
>      something outrageous, even acting out, one person is not, however,
>      representative of the whole. Your association with the party is 
> the
>      water that dilutes the pollution, I do not see the pollution as 
> the
>      reason to leave. You will find there is pollution everywhere you 
> go.
>      As for a shadow rising of the LNC, I am not overly concerned, 
> while
>      these small groups may be loud, they have no power unless they are
>      elected by the delegates.
>      In Liberty,
>      Steven Nekhaila
>      Region 2 Representative Alternate
>      On 2018-04-06 11:35 AM, Someone Else wrote:
> 
>      Greetings,
>      I became a foundation member of the National Party on 6/19/2017 
> and
>      I
>      registered with my State party shortly before the 2016 election. I
>      am
>      currently a precinct committeeman.
>      As someone who is considering whether or not to step up my
>      involvement
>      or to go back to being a non-voting Independent,  I would like to
>      express a concern that I have regarding something I recently
>      observed.
>      I hope this isn't simply dismissed as "Facebook Drama" or just the
>      Audacious Caucus doing their thing, because it goes beyond that.
>      I have attached a series of screenshots of comments made by Jeff
>      Wood
>      of the Audacious Caucus and the Libertarian Party of Michigan in
>      which
>      he cites the 1990 Scarborough Tax Day Mail Bombing as a source of
>      inspiration as well as defending the actions of Timothy McVeigh 
> and
>      offers a "blanket invitation to domestic terrorists and violent 
> drug
>      cartels" to join the Libertarian Party.  He also boldly states "I
>      fully intend to shoot police and soldiers with automatic weapons 
> at
>      some point in my lifetime".
>      I shouldn't have to explain why this is a concern.  I realize the
>      whole Audacious thing is about being "so outrageous they can't be
>      ignored", but he is openly advocating for domestic terrorists to
>      join
>      the party.  Between this and certain other members of the danger
>      caucus who claim to be actively recruiting Antifa, I am 
> considering
>      withdrawing any future support for this Party as I cannot in good
>      conscience be associated with such things. My wife is already
>      reluctant to join and needless to say this has not helped me
>      convince
>      her.
>      I am not going to presume to suggest what, if anything, the LNC
>      should
>      do about this matter,  but I feel it is necessary to bring it to
>      your
>      attention.  I will say that if the so-called "Shadow LNC Rising" 
> aka
>      Audacious Caucus and their affiliated groups ever gain a 
> significant
>      foothold in the LP beyond their little echo chamber (which 
> certainly
>      appears to be their goal) I will leave and never look back.
>      Thank you for your time.  Please view and consider the 
> attachments.
>      In Liberty,
>      Jason Gillam, MCLP PCM
> 
>    --
>    --
>    In Liberty,
>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>    Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>    Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, 
> Washington)
>    - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>    Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>    We defend your rights
>    And oppose the use of force
>    Taxation is theft
> 
> References
> 
>    1. mailto:erin.adams at lp.org
>    2. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29taxes-t.html
>    3. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
>    4. mailto:steven.nekhaila at lp.org
>    5. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>    6. http://www.lpcolorado.org/