[Lnc-business] Concerned member
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Sat Apr 7 13:34:15 EDT 2018
Sure I thing Bill- I’m at the Louisiana Convention this weekend but will
when I can.
On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 11:39 AM William Redpath <william.redpath at lp.org>
wrote:
> Caryn Ann: I am unaware of what you are asserting below. I would like
> to know more. When you can, and if you like, please call me at
> 703-864-2132. Please leave a voicemail if I don't pick up. Thanks,
> Bill Redpath
>
> On 2018-04-07 11:58, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> > I would caution against making this about any particular caucus. What
> > it is about is tolerating or giving succor to anyone who would be
> > openly advocating these things within the Party. The people change.
> > Caucuses change. This has been something that was a "do not cross"
> > line since day one of the Party.
> > I will say what I have been saying. We invited ethno-nationalists
> > to
> > GTFO (which was a proud moment for our Party) yet we are absolutely
> > SILENT to the very real issues of far leftist and violent
> > revolutionary
> > entryism.
> > Why?
> > And we are ignoring other things. Yes, yes affiliates are
> > autonomous
> > and we cannot tell them what to do, but we CAN use our bully pulpit
> > to
> > make it clear that this is not what the LP is about. We have an
> > intimidation problem in this Party and nothing is done. I have
> > mentioned over and over the physical intimidation (legally assault)
> > that happened to me last convention to pretty much utter silence.
> > Why? There are cases of woman leaders being intimidated out of the
> > Party (details can be given in private).
> > This needs to stop.
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 9:10 AM, <[1]erin.adams at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > I am going to mirror Starchild in saying "If the Audacious Caucus
> > is
> > okay with this, I don't want to be associated with them. I don't
> > want anybody using me as a human shield. "
> > Ditto
> >
> > On 2018-04-07 03:14, Starchild wrote:
> >
> > Well put, both of you (Steven and Sam).
> > Jason, I appreciate and share your concern. If James Wood
> > wrote that
> > stuff, I don't know what he thinks he's doing, but I don't
> > appreciate
> > it.
> > The idea that Tim McVeigh was right to attack the federal
> > government, but that he should have done proper reconnaissance so
> > as
> > to have been aware of the kids in the daycare center cynically
> > believed to have been used by the Feds as deliberate human shields
> > is
> > not one I'm going to argue with on moral grounds.
> > However I will point out that given how governments have
> > often
> > treated those they label as "terrorists" or their associates,
> > anyone
> > who expresses an affinity, especially an organizational affinity,
> > with
> > terrorists; openly calls for responding to government violence
> > with
> > civilian violence; or even engages in actual violence such as
> > Peter
> > Hendrickson did – the NY Times magazine article you link
> > ([2]https://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29taxes-t.html)
> > is
> > quite an interesting read – while actively associating themselves
> > with
> > the institutionally non-violent Libertarian Party and its
> > followers,
> > is in effect using US as their human shields.
> > A simpler and clearer example of this would be attending a
> > peaceful
> > anti-police-abuse demonstration, and while marching, running up to
> > nearby police lines yelling at and threatening to punch a cop, and
> > then running back into the midst of the peaceful demonstrators and
> > rejoining the march. It exposes people and organizations to
> > collateral
> > damage they did not sign up for, including risk of direct physical
> > harm.
> > If the Audacious Caucus is okay with this, I don't want to
> > be
> > associated with them. I don't want anybody using me as a human
> > shield.
> > Deciding to take up arms against tyranny or actively work
> > with those
> > who do, and assume all the risks attendant to that choice, is a
> > very
> > personal decision for each individual to make. If and when I ever
> > make
> > that choice, I want it to be my choice alone – and if I make it,
> > it
> > will be to join FREEDOM FIGHTERS, not terrorists, "domestic" or
> > otherwise.
> > Love & Liberty,
> > ((( starchild )))
> > At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> > [3]RealReform at earthlink.net
> > (415) 625-FREE
> > @StarchildSF
> > On Apr 6, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Sam Goldstein wrote:
> >
> > Jason,
> > I will also add to Mr. Nekhalia's comments below that Mr. Wood is
> > not a current member of the national Libertarian Party. You might
> > contact the MILP to discuss your concerns with them since they do
> > have a history of taking action against rogue members.
> > In Liberty,
> > ---
> > Sam Goldstein
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > 317-850-0726 Cell
> > On 2018-04-06 13:03, [4]steven.nekhaila at lp.org wrote:
> >
> > Hello Jason,
> > Thank you for bringing this to our attention, this is not
> > something
> > the Libertarian National Committee can specifically address other
> > than
> > coaching the Libertarian Party of Michigan if they seek to take
> > action
> > against this member. If this individual decides to make credible
> > threats, I would trust those who observe such threats to make the
> > proper the call on action, whether its reporting it to the
> > Michigan
> > Libertarian Party or appropriate bodies as they see fit, there is
> > nothing we can do as National. I do not wish to be dismissive of
> > your
> > concerns, but being associated with the Libertarian Party is to be
> > associated with hundreds of thousands of others who call
> > themselves
> > libertarians and Libertarian Party members. Republicans,
> > Democrats,
> > and Libertarians are all capable of being "audacious" and saying
> > something outrageous, even acting out, one person is not, however,
> > representative of the whole. Your association with the party is
> > the
> > water that dilutes the pollution, I do not see the pollution as
> > the
> > reason to leave. You will find there is pollution everywhere you
> > go.
> > As for a shadow rising of the LNC, I am not overly concerned,
> > while
> > these small groups may be loud, they have no power unless they are
> > elected by the delegates.
> > In Liberty,
> > Steven Nekhaila
> > Region 2 Representative Alternate
> > On 2018-04-06 11:35 AM, Someone Else wrote:
> >
> > Greetings,
> > I became a foundation member of the National Party on 6/19/2017
> > and
> > I
> > registered with my State party shortly before the 2016 election. I
> > am
> > currently a precinct committeeman.
> > As someone who is considering whether or not to step up my
> > involvement
> > or to go back to being a non-voting Independent, I would like to
> > express a concern that I have regarding something I recently
> > observed.
> > I hope this isn't simply dismissed as "Facebook Drama" or just the
> > Audacious Caucus doing their thing, because it goes beyond that.
> > I have attached a series of screenshots of comments made by Jeff
> > Wood
> > of the Audacious Caucus and the Libertarian Party of Michigan in
> > which
> > he cites the 1990 Scarborough Tax Day Mail Bombing as a source of
> > inspiration as well as defending the actions of Timothy McVeigh
> > and
> > offers a "blanket invitation to domestic terrorists and violent
> > drug
> > cartels" to join the Libertarian Party. He also boldly states "I
> > fully intend to shoot police and soldiers with automatic weapons
> > at
> > some point in my lifetime".
> > I shouldn't have to explain why this is a concern. I realize the
> > whole Audacious thing is about being "so outrageous they can't be
> > ignored", but he is openly advocating for domestic terrorists to
> > join
> > the party. Between this and certain other members of the danger
> > caucus who claim to be actively recruiting Antifa, I am
> > considering
> > withdrawing any future support for this Party as I cannot in good
> > conscience be associated with such things. My wife is already
> > reluctant to join and needless to say this has not helped me
> > convince
> > her.
> > I am not going to presume to suggest what, if anything, the LNC
> > should
> > do about this matter, but I feel it is necessary to bring it to
> > your
> > attention. I will say that if the so-called "Shadow LNC Rising"
> > aka
> > Audacious Caucus and their affiliated groups ever gain a
> > significant
> > foothold in the LP beyond their little echo chamber (which
> > certainly
> > appears to be their goal) I will leave and never look back.
> > Thank you for your time. Please view and consider the
> > attachments.
> > In Liberty,
> > Jason Gillam, MCLP PCM
> >
> > --
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> > Washington)
> > - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> > Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:erin.adams at lp.org
> > 2. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29taxes-t.html
> > 3. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
> > 4. mailto:steven.nekhaila at lp.org
> > 5. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 6. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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Sure I thing Bill- I’m at the Louisiana Convention this weekend but
will when I can.
On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 11:39 AM William Redpath
<[1]william.redpath at lp.org> wrote:
Caryn Ann: I am unaware of what you are asserting below. I would
like
to know more. When you can, and if you like, please call me at
703-864-2132. Please leave a voicemail if I don't pick up. Thanks,
Bill Redpath
On 2018-04-07 11:58, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> I would caution against making this about any particular caucus.
What
> it is about is tolerating or giving succor to anyone who would
be
> openly advocating these things within the Party. The people
change.
> Caucuses change. This has been something that was a "do not
cross"
> line since day one of the Party.
> I will say what I have been saying. We invited
ethno-nationalists
> to
> GTFO (which was a proud moment for our Party) yet we are
absolutely
> SILENT to the very real issues of far leftist and violent
> revolutionary
> entryism.
> Why?
> And we are ignoring other things. Yes, yes affiliates are
> autonomous
> and we cannot tell them what to do, but we CAN use our bully
pulpit
> to
> make it clear that this is not what the LP is about. We have
an
> intimidation problem in this Party and nothing is done. I have
> mentioned over and over the physical intimidation (legally
assault)
> that happened to me last convention to pretty much utter
silence.
> Why? There are cases of woman leaders being intimidated out of
the
> Party (details can be given in private).
> This needs to stop.
>
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 9:10 AM, <[1][2]erin.adams at lp.org>
wrote:
>
> I am going to mirror Starchild in saying "If the Audacious
Caucus
> is
> okay with this, I don't want to be associated with them. I
don't
> want anybody using me as a human shield. "
> Ditto
>
> On 2018-04-07 03:14, Starchild wrote:
>
> Well put, both of you (Steven and Sam).
> Jason, I appreciate and share your concern. If James
Wood
> wrote that
> stuff, I don't know what he thinks he's doing, but I don't
> appreciate
> it.
> The idea that Tim McVeigh was right to attack the
federal
> government, but that he should have done proper
reconnaissance so
> as
> to have been aware of the kids in the daycare center
cynically
> believed to have been used by the Feds as deliberate human
shields
> is
> not one I'm going to argue with on moral grounds.
> However I will point out that given how governments
have
> often
> treated those they label as "terrorists" or their associates,
> anyone
> who expresses an affinity, especially an organizational
affinity,
> with
> terrorists; openly calls for responding to government
violence
> with
> civilian violence; or even engages in actual violence such as
> Peter
> Hendrickson did – the NY Times magazine article you link
>
([2][3]https://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29taxes-t.html
)
> is
> quite an interesting read – while actively associating
themselves
> with
> the institutionally non-violent Libertarian Party and its
> followers,
> is in effect using US as their human shields.
> A simpler and clearer example of this would be
attending a
> peaceful
> anti-police-abuse demonstration, and while marching, running
up to
> nearby police lines yelling at and threatening to punch a
cop, and
> then running back into the midst of the peaceful
demonstrators and
> rejoining the march. It exposes people and organizations to
> collateral
> damage they did not sign up for, including risk of direct
physical
> harm.
> If the Audacious Caucus is okay with this, I don't
want to
> be
> associated with them. I don't want anybody using me as a
human
> shield.
> Deciding to take up arms against tyranny or actively
work
> with those
> who do, and assume all the risks attendant to that choice, is
a
> very
> personal decision for each individual to make. If and when I
ever
> make
> that choice, I want it to be my choice alone – and if I make
it,
> it
> will be to join FREEDOM FIGHTERS, not terrorists, "domestic"
or
> otherwise.
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> [3][4]RealReform at earthlink.net
> (415) 625-FREE
> @StarchildSF
> On Apr 6, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Sam Goldstein wrote:
>
> Jason,
> I will also add to Mr. Nekhalia's comments below that Mr.
Wood is
> not a current member of the national Libertarian Party. You
might
> contact the MILP to discuss your concerns with them since
they do
> have a history of taking action against rogue members.
> In Liberty,
> ---
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> 317-850-0726 Cell
> On 2018-04-06 13:03, [4][5]steven.nekhaila at lp.org wrote:
>
> Hello Jason,
> Thank you for bringing this to our attention, this is not
> something
> the Libertarian National Committee can specifically address
other
> than
> coaching the Libertarian Party of Michigan if they seek to
take
> action
> against this member. If this individual decides to make
credible
> threats, I would trust those who observe such threats to make
the
> proper the call on action, whether its reporting it to the
> Michigan
> Libertarian Party or appropriate bodies as they see fit,
there is
> nothing we can do as National. I do not wish to be dismissive
of
> your
> concerns, but being associated with the Libertarian Party is
to be
> associated with hundreds of thousands of others who call
> themselves
> libertarians and Libertarian Party members. Republicans,
> Democrats,
> and Libertarians are all capable of being "audacious" and
saying
> something outrageous, even acting out, one person is not,
however,
> representative of the whole. Your association with the party
is
> the
> water that dilutes the pollution, I do not see the pollution
as
> the
> reason to leave. You will find there is pollution everywhere
you
> go.
> As for a shadow rising of the LNC, I am not overly concerned,
> while
> these small groups may be loud, they have no power unless
they are
> elected by the delegates.
> In Liberty,
> Steven Nekhaila
> Region 2 Representative Alternate
> On 2018-04-06 11:35 AM, Someone Else wrote:
>
> Greetings,
> I became a foundation member of the National Party on
6/19/2017
> and
> I
> registered with my State party shortly before the 2016
election. I
> am
> currently a precinct committeeman.
> As someone who is considering whether or not to step up my
> involvement
> or to go back to being a non-voting Independent, I would
like to
> express a concern that I have regarding something I recently
> observed.
> I hope this isn't simply dismissed as "Facebook Drama" or
just the
> Audacious Caucus doing their thing, because it goes beyond
that.
> I have attached a series of screenshots of comments made by
Jeff
> Wood
> of the Audacious Caucus and the Libertarian Party of Michigan
in
> which
> he cites the 1990 Scarborough Tax Day Mail Bombing as a
source of
> inspiration as well as defending the actions of Timothy
McVeigh
> and
> offers a "blanket invitation to domestic terrorists and
violent
> drug
> cartels" to join the Libertarian Party. He also boldly
states "I
> fully intend to shoot police and soldiers with automatic
weapons
> at
> some point in my lifetime".
> I shouldn't have to explain why this is a concern. I realize
the
> whole Audacious thing is about being "so outrageous they
can't be
> ignored", but he is openly advocating for domestic terrorists
to
> join
> the party. Between this and certain other members of the
danger
> caucus who claim to be actively recruiting Antifa, I am
> considering
> withdrawing any future support for this Party as I cannot in
good
> conscience be associated with such things. My wife is already
> reluctant to join and needless to say this has not helped me
> convince
> her.
> I am not going to presume to suggest what, if anything, the
LNC
> should
> do about this matter, but I feel it is necessary to bring it
to
> your
> attention. I will say that if the so-called "Shadow LNC
Rising"
> aka
> Audacious Caucus and their affiliated groups ever gain a
> significant
> foothold in the LP beyond their little echo chamber (which
> certainly
> appears to be their goal) I will leave and never look back.
> Thank you for your time. Please view and consider the
> attachments.
> In Liberty,
> Jason Gillam, MCLP PCM
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
(Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
> - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[6]erin.adams at lp.org
> 2.
[7]https://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29taxes-t.html
> 3. mailto:[8]RealReform at earthlink.net
> 4. mailto:[9]steven.nekhaila at lp.org
> 5. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 6. [11]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
- [12]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [13]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:william.redpath at lp.org
2. mailto:erin.adams at lp.org
3. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29taxes-t.html
4. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
5. mailto:steven.nekhaila at lp.org
6. mailto:erin.adams at lp.org
7. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29taxes-t.html
8. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
9. mailto:steven.nekhaila at lp.org
10. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
11. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
12. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
13. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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