[Lnc-business] Concerned member

Caryn Ann Harlos caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Sat Apr 7 13:34:15 EDT 2018


Sure I thing Bill- I’m at the Louisiana Convention this weekend but will
when I can.


On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 11:39 AM William Redpath <william.redpath at lp.org>
wrote:

> Caryn Ann:  I am unaware of what you are asserting below.  I would like
> to know more.  When you can, and if you like, please call me at
> 703-864-2132.  Please leave a voicemail if I don't pick up.  Thanks,
> Bill Redpath
>
> On 2018-04-07 11:58, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> > I would caution against making this about any particular caucus.  What
> >    it is about is tolerating or giving succor to anyone who would be
> >    openly advocating these things within the Party.  The people change.
> >    Caucuses change.  This has been something that was a "do not cross"
> >    line since day one of the Party.
> >    I will say what I have been saying.  We invited ethno-nationalists
> > to
> >    GTFO (which was a proud moment for our Party) yet we are absolutely
> >    SILENT to the very real issues of far leftist and violent
> > revolutionary
> >    entryism.
> >    Why?
> >    And we are ignoring other things.  Yes, yes affiliates are
> > autonomous
> >    and we cannot tell them what to do, but we CAN use our bully pulpit
> > to
> >    make it clear that this is not what the LP is about.  We have an
> >    intimidation problem in this Party and nothing is done.  I have
> >    mentioned over and over the physical intimidation (legally assault)
> >    that happened to me last convention to pretty much utter silence.
> >    Why?  There are cases of woman leaders being intimidated out of the
> >    Party (details can be given in private).
> >    This needs to stop.
> >
> >    On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 9:10 AM, <[1]erin.adams at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >      I am going to mirror Starchild in saying "If the Audacious Caucus
> > is
> >      okay with this, I don't want to be associated with them. I don't
> >      want anybody using me as a human shield. "
> >      Ditto
> >
> >    On 2018-04-07 03:14, Starchild wrote:
> >
> >      Well put, both of you (Steven and Sam).
> >              Jason, I appreciate and share your concern. If James Wood
> >      wrote that
> >      stuff, I don't know what he thinks he's doing, but I don't
> >      appreciate
> >      it.
> >               The idea that Tim McVeigh was right to attack the federal
> >      government, but that he should have done proper reconnaissance so
> > as
> >      to have been aware of the kids in the daycare center cynically
> >      believed to have been used by the Feds as deliberate human shields
> >      is
> >      not one I'm going to argue with on moral grounds.
> >              However I will point out that given how governments have
> >      often
> >      treated those they label as "terrorists" or their associates,
> > anyone
> >      who expresses an affinity, especially an organizational affinity,
> >      with
> >      terrorists; openly calls for responding to government violence
> > with
> >      civilian violence; or even engages in actual violence such as
> > Peter
> >      Hendrickson did – the NY Times magazine article you link
> >      ([2]https://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29taxes-t.html)
> >      is
> >      quite an interesting read – while actively associating themselves
> >      with
> >      the institutionally non-violent Libertarian Party and its
> > followers,
> >      is in effect using US as their human shields.
> >              A simpler and clearer example of this would be attending a
> >      peaceful
> >      anti-police-abuse demonstration, and while marching, running up to
> >      nearby police lines yelling at and threatening to punch a cop, and
> >      then running back into the midst of the peaceful demonstrators and
> >      rejoining the march. It exposes people and organizations to
> >      collateral
> >      damage they did not sign up for, including risk of direct physical
> >      harm.
> >              If the Audacious Caucus is okay with this, I don't want to
> >      be
> >      associated with them. I don't want anybody using me as a human
> >      shield.
> >              Deciding to take up arms against tyranny or actively work
> >      with those
> >      who do, and assume all the risks attendant to that choice, is a
> > very
> >      personal decision for each individual to make. If and when I ever
> >      make
> >      that choice, I want it to be my choice alone – and if I make it,
> > it
> >      will be to join FREEDOM FIGHTERS, not terrorists, "domestic" or
> >      otherwise.
> >      Love & Liberty,
> >                                          ((( starchild )))
> >      At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> >                              [3]RealReform at earthlink.net
> >                                       (415) 625-FREE
> >                                         @StarchildSF
> >      On Apr 6, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Sam Goldstein wrote:
> >
> >      Jason,
> >      I will also add to Mr. Nekhalia's comments below that Mr. Wood is
> >      not a current member of the national Libertarian Party.  You might
> >      contact the MILP to discuss your concerns with them since they do
> >      have a history of taking action against rogue members.
> >      In Liberty,
> >      ---
> >      Sam Goldstein
> >      Libertarian National Committee
> >      317-850-0726 Cell
> >      On 2018-04-06 13:03, [4]steven.nekhaila at lp.org wrote:
> >
> >      Hello Jason,
> >      Thank you for bringing this to our attention, this is not
> > something
> >      the Libertarian National Committee can specifically address other
> >      than
> >      coaching the Libertarian Party of Michigan if they seek to take
> >      action
> >      against this member. If this individual decides to make credible
> >      threats, I would trust those who observe such threats to make the
> >      proper the call on action, whether its reporting it to the
> > Michigan
> >      Libertarian Party or appropriate bodies as they see fit, there is
> >      nothing we can do as National. I do not wish to be dismissive of
> >      your
> >      concerns, but being associated with the Libertarian Party is to be
> >      associated with hundreds of thousands of others who call
> > themselves
> >      libertarians and Libertarian Party members. Republicans,
> > Democrats,
> >      and Libertarians are all capable of being "audacious" and saying
> >      something outrageous, even acting out, one person is not, however,
> >      representative of the whole. Your association with the party is
> > the
> >      water that dilutes the pollution, I do not see the pollution as
> > the
> >      reason to leave. You will find there is pollution everywhere you
> > go.
> >      As for a shadow rising of the LNC, I am not overly concerned,
> > while
> >      these small groups may be loud, they have no power unless they are
> >      elected by the delegates.
> >      In Liberty,
> >      Steven Nekhaila
> >      Region 2 Representative Alternate
> >      On 2018-04-06 11:35 AM, Someone Else wrote:
> >
> >      Greetings,
> >      I became a foundation member of the National Party on 6/19/2017
> > and
> >      I
> >      registered with my State party shortly before the 2016 election. I
> >      am
> >      currently a precinct committeeman.
> >      As someone who is considering whether or not to step up my
> >      involvement
> >      or to go back to being a non-voting Independent,  I would like to
> >      express a concern that I have regarding something I recently
> >      observed.
> >      I hope this isn't simply dismissed as "Facebook Drama" or just the
> >      Audacious Caucus doing their thing, because it goes beyond that.
> >      I have attached a series of screenshots of comments made by Jeff
> >      Wood
> >      of the Audacious Caucus and the Libertarian Party of Michigan in
> >      which
> >      he cites the 1990 Scarborough Tax Day Mail Bombing as a source of
> >      inspiration as well as defending the actions of Timothy McVeigh
> > and
> >      offers a "blanket invitation to domestic terrorists and violent
> > drug
> >      cartels" to join the Libertarian Party.  He also boldly states "I
> >      fully intend to shoot police and soldiers with automatic weapons
> > at
> >      some point in my lifetime".
> >      I shouldn't have to explain why this is a concern.  I realize the
> >      whole Audacious thing is about being "so outrageous they can't be
> >      ignored", but he is openly advocating for domestic terrorists to
> >      join
> >      the party.  Between this and certain other members of the danger
> >      caucus who claim to be actively recruiting Antifa, I am
> > considering
> >      withdrawing any future support for this Party as I cannot in good
> >      conscience be associated with such things. My wife is already
> >      reluctant to join and needless to say this has not helped me
> >      convince
> >      her.
> >      I am not going to presume to suggest what, if anything, the LNC
> >      should
> >      do about this matter,  but I feel it is necessary to bring it to
> >      your
> >      attention.  I will say that if the so-called "Shadow LNC Rising"
> > aka
> >      Audacious Caucus and their affiliated groups ever gain a
> > significant
> >      foothold in the LP beyond their little echo chamber (which
> > certainly
> >      appears to be their goal) I will leave and never look back.
> >      Thank you for your time.  Please view and consider the
> > attachments.
> >      In Liberty,
> >      Jason Gillam, MCLP PCM
> >
> >    --
> >    --
> >    In Liberty,
> >    Caryn Ann Harlos
> >    Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> >    Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> > Washington)
> >    - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >    Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >    We defend your rights
> >    And oppose the use of force
> >    Taxation is theft
> >
> > References
> >
> >    1. mailto:erin.adams at lp.org
> >    2. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29taxes-t.html
> >    3. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
> >    4. mailto:steven.nekhaila at lp.org
> >    5. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >    6. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
-- 
-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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   Sure I thing Bill- I’m at the Louisiana Convention this weekend but
   will when I can.

   On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 11:39 AM William Redpath
   <[1]william.redpath at lp.org> wrote:

     Caryn Ann:  I am unaware of what you are asserting below.  I would
     like
     to know more.  When you can, and if you like, please call me at
     703-864-2132.  Please leave a voicemail if I don't pick up.  Thanks,
     Bill Redpath
     On 2018-04-07 11:58, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
     > I would caution against making this about any particular caucus.
     What
     >    it is about is tolerating or giving succor to anyone who would
     be
     >    openly advocating these things within the Party.  The people
     change.
     >    Caucuses change.  This has been something that was a "do not
     cross"
     >    line since day one of the Party.
     >    I will say what I have been saying.  We invited
     ethno-nationalists
     > to
     >    GTFO (which was a proud moment for our Party) yet we are
     absolutely
     >    SILENT to the very real issues of far leftist and violent
     > revolutionary
     >    entryism.
     >    Why?
     >    And we are ignoring other things.  Yes, yes affiliates are
     > autonomous
     >    and we cannot tell them what to do, but we CAN use our bully
     pulpit
     > to
     >    make it clear that this is not what the LP is about.  We have
     an
     >    intimidation problem in this Party and nothing is done.  I have
     >    mentioned over and over the physical intimidation (legally
     assault)
     >    that happened to me last convention to pretty much utter
     silence.
     >    Why?  There are cases of woman leaders being intimidated out of
     the
     >    Party (details can be given in private).
     >    This needs to stop.
     >
     >    On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 9:10 AM, <[1][2]erin.adams at lp.org>
     wrote:
     >
     >      I am going to mirror Starchild in saying "If the Audacious
     Caucus
     > is
     >      okay with this, I don't want to be associated with them. I
     don't
     >      want anybody using me as a human shield. "
     >      Ditto
     >
     >    On 2018-04-07 03:14, Starchild wrote:
     >
     >      Well put, both of you (Steven and Sam).
     >              Jason, I appreciate and share your concern. If James
     Wood
     >      wrote that
     >      stuff, I don't know what he thinks he's doing, but I don't
     >      appreciate
     >      it.
     >               The idea that Tim McVeigh was right to attack the
     federal
     >      government, but that he should have done proper
     reconnaissance so
     > as
     >      to have been aware of the kids in the daycare center
     cynically
     >      believed to have been used by the Feds as deliberate human
     shields
     >      is
     >      not one I'm going to argue with on moral grounds.
     >              However I will point out that given how governments
     have
     >      often
     >      treated those they label as "terrorists" or their associates,
     > anyone
     >      who expresses an affinity, especially an organizational
     affinity,
     >      with
     >      terrorists; openly calls for responding to government
     violence
     > with
     >      civilian violence; or even engages in actual violence such as
     > Peter
     >      Hendrickson did – the NY Times magazine article you link
     >
     ([2][3]https://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29taxes-t.html
     )
     >      is
     >      quite an interesting read – while actively associating
     themselves
     >      with
     >      the institutionally non-violent Libertarian Party and its
     > followers,
     >      is in effect using US as their human shields.
     >              A simpler and clearer example of this would be
     attending a
     >      peaceful
     >      anti-police-abuse demonstration, and while marching, running
     up to
     >      nearby police lines yelling at and threatening to punch a
     cop, and
     >      then running back into the midst of the peaceful
     demonstrators and
     >      rejoining the march. It exposes people and organizations to
     >      collateral
     >      damage they did not sign up for, including risk of direct
     physical
     >      harm.
     >              If the Audacious Caucus is okay with this, I don't
     want to
     >      be
     >      associated with them. I don't want anybody using me as a
     human
     >      shield.
     >              Deciding to take up arms against tyranny or actively
     work
     >      with those
     >      who do, and assume all the risks attendant to that choice, is
     a
     > very
     >      personal decision for each individual to make. If and when I
     ever
     >      make
     >      that choice, I want it to be my choice alone – and if I make
     it,
     > it
     >      will be to join FREEDOM FIGHTERS, not terrorists, "domestic"
     or
     >      otherwise.
     >      Love & Liberty,
     >                                          ((( starchild )))
     >      At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
     >                              [3][4]RealReform at earthlink.net
     >                                       (415) 625-FREE
     >                                         @StarchildSF
     >      On Apr 6, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Sam Goldstein wrote:
     >
     >      Jason,
     >      I will also add to Mr. Nekhalia's comments below that Mr.
     Wood is
     >      not a current member of the national Libertarian Party.  You
     might
     >      contact the MILP to discuss your concerns with them since
     they do
     >      have a history of taking action against rogue members.
     >      In Liberty,
     >      ---
     >      Sam Goldstein
     >      Libertarian National Committee
     >      317-850-0726 Cell
     >      On 2018-04-06 13:03, [4][5]steven.nekhaila at lp.org wrote:
     >
     >      Hello Jason,
     >      Thank you for bringing this to our attention, this is not
     > something
     >      the Libertarian National Committee can specifically address
     other
     >      than
     >      coaching the Libertarian Party of Michigan if they seek to
     take
     >      action
     >      against this member. If this individual decides to make
     credible
     >      threats, I would trust those who observe such threats to make
     the
     >      proper the call on action, whether its reporting it to the
     > Michigan
     >      Libertarian Party or appropriate bodies as they see fit,
     there is
     >      nothing we can do as National. I do not wish to be dismissive
     of
     >      your
     >      concerns, but being associated with the Libertarian Party is
     to be
     >      associated with hundreds of thousands of others who call
     > themselves
     >      libertarians and Libertarian Party members. Republicans,
     > Democrats,
     >      and Libertarians are all capable of being "audacious" and
     saying
     >      something outrageous, even acting out, one person is not,
     however,
     >      representative of the whole. Your association with the party
     is
     > the
     >      water that dilutes the pollution, I do not see the pollution
     as
     > the
     >      reason to leave. You will find there is pollution everywhere
     you
     > go.
     >      As for a shadow rising of the LNC, I am not overly concerned,
     > while
     >      these small groups may be loud, they have no power unless
     they are
     >      elected by the delegates.
     >      In Liberty,
     >      Steven Nekhaila
     >      Region 2 Representative Alternate
     >      On 2018-04-06 11:35 AM, Someone Else wrote:
     >
     >      Greetings,
     >      I became a foundation member of the National Party on
     6/19/2017
     > and
     >      I
     >      registered with my State party shortly before the 2016
     election. I
     >      am
     >      currently a precinct committeeman.
     >      As someone who is considering whether or not to step up my
     >      involvement
     >      or to go back to being a non-voting Independent,  I would
     like to
     >      express a concern that I have regarding something I recently
     >      observed.
     >      I hope this isn't simply dismissed as "Facebook Drama" or
     just the
     >      Audacious Caucus doing their thing, because it goes beyond
     that.
     >      I have attached a series of screenshots of comments made by
     Jeff
     >      Wood
     >      of the Audacious Caucus and the Libertarian Party of Michigan
     in
     >      which
     >      he cites the 1990 Scarborough Tax Day Mail Bombing as a
     source of
     >      inspiration as well as defending the actions of Timothy
     McVeigh
     > and
     >      offers a "blanket invitation to domestic terrorists and
     violent
     > drug
     >      cartels" to join the Libertarian Party.  He also boldly
     states "I
     >      fully intend to shoot police and soldiers with automatic
     weapons
     > at
     >      some point in my lifetime".
     >      I shouldn't have to explain why this is a concern.  I realize
     the
     >      whole Audacious thing is about being "so outrageous they
     can't be
     >      ignored", but he is openly advocating for domestic terrorists
     to
     >      join
     >      the party.  Between this and certain other members of the
     danger
     >      caucus who claim to be actively recruiting Antifa, I am
     > considering
     >      withdrawing any future support for this Party as I cannot in
     good
     >      conscience be associated with such things. My wife is already
     >      reluctant to join and needless to say this has not helped me
     >      convince
     >      her.
     >      I am not going to presume to suggest what, if anything, the
     LNC
     >      should
     >      do about this matter,  but I feel it is necessary to bring it
     to
     >      your
     >      attention.  I will say that if the so-called "Shadow LNC
     Rising"
     > aka
     >      Audacious Caucus and their affiliated groups ever gain a
     > significant
     >      foothold in the LP beyond their little echo chamber (which
     > certainly
     >      appears to be their goal) I will leave and never look back.
     >      Thank you for your time.  Please view and consider the
     > attachments.
     >      In Liberty,
     >      Jason Gillam, MCLP PCM
     >
     >    --
     >    --
     >    In Liberty,
     >    Caryn Ann Harlos
     >    Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
     (Alaska,
     >    Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
     > Washington)
     >    - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
     >    Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of Colorado
     >    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
     >    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
     >    We defend your rights
     >    And oppose the use of force
     >    Taxation is theft
     >
     > References
     >
     >    1. mailto:[6]erin.adams at lp.org
     >    2.
     [7]https://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29taxes-t.html
     >    3. mailto:[8]RealReform at earthlink.net
     >    4. mailto:[9]steven.nekhaila at lp.org
     >    5. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
     >    6. [11]http://www.lpcolorado.org/

   --

   --
   In Liberty,
   Caryn Ann Harlos
   Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
   Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
   - [12]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
   Communications Director, [13]Libertarian Party of Colorado
   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
   We defend your rights
   And oppose the use of force
   Taxation is theft

References

   1. mailto:william.redpath at lp.org
   2. mailto:erin.adams at lp.org
   3. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29taxes-t.html
   4. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
   5. mailto:steven.nekhaila at lp.org
   6. mailto:erin.adams at lp.org
   7. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29taxes-t.html
   8. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
   9. mailto:steven.nekhaila at lp.org
  10. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
  11. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
  12. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
  13. http://www.lpcolorado.org/


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