[Lnc-business] Judicial committee
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Thu Jul 5 19:59:41 EDT 2018
===I don't think we need to address the At Large positions because the
delegates did express their desire in that election to suspend the rules
despite Ms. Harlos' objections.===
Without being given any other viable options. They were led by the nose to
that conclusion. I think that part of my objections does need to be
addressed. We interfered unduly with our own internal elections.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:57 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Joe,
>
> Arguments are not usually included in LNC motions because they are not
> resolutions but calls for action. I don't think we need to address the At
> Large positions because the delegates did express their desire in that
> election to suspend the rules despite Ms. Harlos' objections.
>
> I can't remember if the four year JC term passed. If it did then the
> proper motion would read something like this:
>
> "I move to fill the vacant Judicial Committee for a four (or two) year
> term with those candidates who finished in the top seven in voting at the
> 2018 LP Convention provided each candidate is eligible."
>
> That takes care of the immediate problem. I don't want to rush into
> appointed an Elections Committee since I think the entire process deserves
> and in depth discussion at the next LNC meeting. We don't have another
> election for 2 years so let's get it right.
>
> Live Free,
>
> ---
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> 317-850-0726 Cell
>
> On 2018-07-05 19:32, joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org wrote:
>
>> I've been thinking about this since the night of the At-Large/JC
>> election and I do share Ms. Harlos's frustration. I had perhaps 100
>> delegates who were going to support me already leave by the time we
>> got to the At-Large election. Complaining about how long balloting and
>> tabulation took is already the #1 feedback topic I'm getting from
>> Party members.
>>
>> That said, I agree with Ms. Van Horn that the Convention did perhaps
>> the least worst option under the circumstances. I worry that anything
>> we do that departs from that, be it putting our own people on or
>> keeping the dead hand of the last JC or sending a mail ballot to all
>> Party members or some rump thereof, is even more disconnected from the
>> rules we should be following and destined to be viewed as illegitimate
>> and post-hoc.
>>
>> I would like to fix it for next time, as I know many of you do. Taking
>> Mr. Goldstein's suggestion, I took a stab at tackling three birds with
>> one stone:
>>
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Libertarian National Convention on July 3, 2018 voted
>> that the top vote-getters in the At-Large race fill all available
>> At-Large seats on the LNC; and
>>
>> WHEREAS, Rule 9 directs that the election of Judicial Committee
>> members be conducted as the same manner as specified for at-large
>> members of the National Committee; and
>>
>> WHEREAS, LNC action pursuant to Bylaws Article 7, Section 7 would
>> clear all potential doubts as to who the new LNC members are;
>>
>> THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that Joshua Smith, Bill Redpath, and Alicia
>> Mattson are added to the LNC as At-Large members for a two-year term;
>> and
>>
>> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the LNC acknowledges the election of D.
>> Frank Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry, Ruth Bennett, Geoff
>> Neale, Jim Turney, and Tricia Sprankle to the Judicial Committee for a
>> four-year term; and
>>
>> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that a special committee be established to
>> present a consensus recommendation to the LNC by September 1, 2019 for
>> improving the election scheduling, balloting, and tabulation process
>> of LNC elections, with said committee to consist of:
>> (1) the Party Vice-Chair, who will act as chairperson
>> (2) the Party Secretary
>> (3) a designee of the Bylaws & Rules Committee
>> (4) four Party members appointed by the Party Chair, from among the
>> various caucuses in the Party.
>>
>>
>> JBH
>>
>>
>> On 2018-07-05 18:04, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
>>
>>> Since we apparently closed the convention without a procedure for
>>> populating the JC, is anyone in the mood for a motion to appoint the
>>> top seven vote winners as the JC for this term? I suppose we can be
>>> anarchists and live without a JC this term or solicit applications
>>> from
>>> people who were not nominated at convention.
>>>
>>> I don't have the top seven names handy, we would have to verify they
>>> have been members for four years.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>
>>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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===I don't think we need to address the At Large positions because the
delegates did express their desire in that election to suspend the
rules despite Ms. Harlos' objections.===
Without being given any other viable options. They were led by the
nose to that conclusion. I think that part of my objections does need
to be addressed. We interfered unduly with our own internal elections.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:57 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business
<[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Joe,
Arguments are not usually included in LNC motions because they are
not resolutions but calls for action. I don't think we need to
address the At Large positions because the delegates did express
their desire in that election to suspend the rules despite Ms.
Harlos' objections.
I can't remember if the four year JC term passed. If it did then
the proper motion would read something like this:
"I move to fill the vacant Judicial Committee for a four (or two)
year term with those candidates who finished in the top seven in
voting at the 2018 LP Convention provided each candidate is
eligible."
That takes care of the immediate problem. I don't want to rush into
appointed an Elections Committee since I think the entire process
deserves and in depth discussion at the next LNC meeting. We don't
have another election for 2 years so let's get it right.
Live Free,
---
Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
317-850-0726 Cell
On 2018-07-05 19:32, [2]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org wrote:
I've been thinking about this since the night of the At-Large/JC
election and I do share Ms. Harlos's frustration. I had perhaps 100
delegates who were going to support me already leave by the time we
got to the At-Large election. Complaining about how long balloting
and
tabulation took is already the #1 feedback topic I'm getting from
Party members.
That said, I agree with Ms. Van Horn that the Convention did perhaps
the least worst option under the circumstances. I worry that
anything
we do that departs from that, be it putting our own people on or
keeping the dead hand of the last JC or sending a mail ballot to all
Party members or some rump thereof, is even more disconnected from
the
rules we should be following and destined to be viewed as
illegitimate
and post-hoc.
I would like to fix it for next time, as I know many of you do.
Taking
Mr. Goldstein's suggestion, I took a stab at tackling three birds
with
one stone:
WHEREAS, the Libertarian National Convention on July 3, 2018 voted
that the top vote-getters in the At-Large race fill all available
At-Large seats on the LNC; and
WHEREAS, Rule 9 directs that the election of Judicial Committee
members be conducted as the same manner as specified for at-large
members of the National Committee; and
WHEREAS, LNC action pursuant to Bylaws Article 7, Section 7 would
clear all potential doubts as to who the new LNC members are;
THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that Joshua Smith, Bill Redpath, and
Alicia
Mattson are added to the LNC as At-Large members for a two-year
term;
and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the LNC acknowledges the election of D.
Frank Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry, Ruth Bennett, Geoff
Neale, Jim Turney, and Tricia Sprankle to the Judicial Committee for
a
four-year term; and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that a special committee be established to
present a consensus recommendation to the LNC by September 1, 2019
for
improving the election scheduling, balloting, and tabulation process
of LNC elections, with said committee to consist of:
(1) the Party Vice-Chair, who will act as chairperson
(2) the Party Secretary
(3) a designee of the Bylaws & Rules Committee
(4) four Party members appointed by the Party Chair, from among the
various caucuses in the Party.
JBH
On 2018-07-05 18:04, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
Since we apparently closed the convention without a procedure for
populating the JC, is anyone in the mood for a motion to appoint
the
top seven vote winners as the JC for this term? I suppose we can
be
anarchists and live without a JC this term or solicit
applications from
people who were not nominated at convention.
I don't have the top seven names handy, we would have to verify
they
have been members for four years.
--
Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
317-850-0726 Cell
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
- [3]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [4]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
3. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
4. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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