[Lnc-business] Judicial committee
Sam Goldstein
sam.goldstein at lp.org
Thu Jul 5 20:52:18 EDT 2018
I'm pretty sure Alicia keeps all the paper ballots along with the state
tally sheets from each convention. Give her a day or two
to rest up!
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Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
317-850-0726 Cell
On 2018-07-05 20:44, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business wrote:
> I have one delegation in Region 1 right now that is not happy about
> the At Large situation, and is requesting an audit of the vote.
> Specifically the state by state break down, as is afforded on all
> other election results, but no delegation was able to review the
> results to ensure accuracy. There is further concern that there was no
> preservation of the original ballots from the delegations.
>
> I can tell you this much: had I known what was going on, I would have
> raised these concerns on the floor. Unfortunately, I had to credential
> out because I had to get on a flight back to Utah for July 4th as my
> campaign had multiple outreach events. Many delegates also were
> candidates that had to leave for similar reasons.
>
> We cannot rush through this as if it is an afterthought. Especially if
> there ended up being a need for the JC to rule on an issue.
>
> Craig Bowden
> Region 1 Alternate
>
>
>
> On 2018-07-05 18:30, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> As this is an LNC created committee, I think that committee creation
>> by
>> larger unrelated bodies is a recipe for disaster. As a group we
>> can
>> pick applicants who fill in needed holes and knowledge. I am not
>> thinking 50 person. I am thinking 9, 11, or 13. It is a big
>> issue.
>> I think some LNC members should be ex officio advisory members
>> only.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 6:27 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn
>> <[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Caryn Ann, I was thinking state chairs or people they appoint.
>> Which could be some of the people you're thinking might be good.
>> A 50 person committee would be too large (someone from each state
>> affiliate), but Regions could send one or two people. Eight
>> regions
>> and two from each, so maybe 16 people. (Or, could be smaller)
>> They could work on "improving the election scheduling, balloting,
>> and tabulation process", and report sometime in 2019 to see what
>> improvements could be made.
>> ---
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>> LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>> [2]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> On 2018-07-05 20:12, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>
>> It needs a much larger and more diverse committee that doesn't
>> have
>> the
>> LNC's thumb on it like every other committee. Many many many
>> qualified
>> people offered, including former LNC people who have been to
>> this
>> rodeo.
>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 6:06 PM, joe.bishop-henchman--- via
>> Lnc-business
>> <[1][3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> Good questions. My answers would be that the only way this
>> works is
>> if everyone feels like they have a seat at the table. Timing
>> wise,
>> this gives them time to collect ideas and feedback while
>> giving
>> us
>> time to address it if they can't come up with a consensus
>> recommendation.
>> It's also more than just technology - it's also whether we
>> do
>> plurality or IRV or approval, it's whether we do combined
>> ballots or
>> all separate, it's whether we need three days or four or
>> five.
>> There's off-the-shelf electronic voting things we can rent -
>> I've
>> done elections with them before - but I think our Party
>> members
>> would without buy-in reject them as centralized and
>> potentially
>> not
>> secure. The solution may just be some new bylaws changes and
>> more
>> tellers and computers, and no new technology. I'm not sure.
>> JBH
>> On 2018-07-05 19:56, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>> Why start a new committee? Shouldn't this fall under the
>> purview of
>> IT?
>> John Phillips
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> Cell [1]217-412-5973
>> ------ Original message------
>> From: [2]joe.bishop-henchman--- via Lnc-business
>> Date: Thu, Jul 5, 2018 6:32 PM
>>
>> To: [3][2][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
>> Cc: [4][3][5]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org;
>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Judicial committee
>> I've been thinking about this since the night of the
>> At-Large/JC
>> election and I do share Ms. Harlos's frustration. I had
>> perhaps
>> 100
>> delegates who were going to support me already leave by the
>> time
>> we
>> got
>> to the At-Large election. Complaining about how long balloting
>> and
>> tabulation took is already the #1 feedback topic I'm getting
>> from
>> Party
>> members.
>> That said, I agree with Ms. Van Horn that the Convention did
>> perhaps
>> the
>> least worst option under the circumstances. I worry that
>> anything
>> we
>> do
>> that departs from that, be it putting our own people on or
>> keeping
>> the
>> dead hand of the last JC or sending a mail ballot to all Party
>> members
>> or some rump thereof, is even more disconnected from the rules
>> we
>> should
>> be following and destined to be viewed as illegitimate and
>> post-hoc.
>> I would like to fix it for next time, as I know many of you
>> do.
>> Taking
>> Mr. Goldstein's suggestion, I took a stab at tackling three
>> birds
>> with
>> one stone:
>> WHEREAS, the Libertarian National Convention on July 3, 2018
>> voted
>> that
>> the top vote-getters in the At-Large race fill all available
>> At-Large
>> seats on the LNC; and
>> WHEREAS, Rule 9 directs that the election of Judicial
>> Committee
>> members
>> be conducted as the same manner as specified for at-large
>> members
>> of
>> the
>> National Committee; and
>> WHEREAS, LNC action pursuant to Bylaws Article 7, Section 7
>> would
>> clear
>> all potential doubts as to who the new LNC members are;
>> THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that Joshua Smith, Bill Redpath, and
>> Alicia
>> Mattson are added to the LNC as At-Large members for a
>> two-year
>> term;
>> and
>> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the LNC acknowledges the election
>> of
>> D.
>> Frank Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry, Ruth Bennett,
>> Geoff
>> Neale,
>> Jim Turney, and Tricia Sprankle to the Judicial Committee for
>> a
>> four-year term; and
>> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that a special committee be established
>> to
>> present a consensus recommendation to the LNC by September 1,
>> 2019
>> for
>> improving the election scheduling, balloting, and tabulation
>> process
>> of
>> LNC elections, with said committee to consist of:
>> (1) the Party Vice-Chair, who will act as chairperson
>> (2) the Party Secretary
>> (3) a designee of the Bylaws & Rules Committee
>> (4) four Party members appointed by the Party Chair, from
>> among
>> the
>> various caucuses in the Party.
>> JBH
>> On [5]2018-07-05 18:04, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
>> Since we apparently closed the convention without a procedure
>> for
>> populating the JC, is anyone in the mood for a motion to
>> appoint
>> the
>> top seven vote winners as the JC for this term? I suppose
>> we
>> can
>> be
>> anarchists and live without a JC this term or solicit
>> applications
>> from
>> people who were not nominated at convention.
>> I don't have the top seven names handy, we would have to
>> verify
>> they
>> have been members for four years.
>> --
>> Sam Goldstein
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> [6]317-850-0726 Cell
>> References
>> 1. tel:217-412-5973
>>
>> 2. [4][6]http://joe.bi/
>> 3. mailto:[5][7]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 4. mailto:[6][8]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 5. tel:2018-07-05 18
>> 6. tel:317-850-0726
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>> - [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, [8]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>> References
>> 1. mailto:[9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 2. mailto:[10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 3. mailto:[11]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 4. [12]http://joe.bi/
>> 5. mailto:[13]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 6. mailto:[14]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 7. mailto:[15]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 8. [16]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>> - [17]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, [18]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 2. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> 3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 5. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 6. http://joe.bi/
>> 7. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 8. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 9. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 10. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 11. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 12. http://joe.bi/
>> 13. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 14. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 15. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 16. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 17. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 18. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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