[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-11: ACKNOWLEDGE ELECTION OF JC
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Mon Jul 9 17:07:27 EDT 2018
Craig - I say this with all deference to your judgment and your new role
which is no longer mine but want you to hear a voice of experience. I also
promised region 1 that I would follow their lead and wishes as long as it
didn't violate my principles or member's rights.
I never had to go against their wishes because none of the above ever came
up. If I were in your shoes right now, I might. Particularly since a
region 1 candidate was pretty screwed by this whole process.
There is no reason that someone asking for election results in a suspect
election should be left hanging. Yes, people are busy. Then you say - you
will have it by XXXX. This ambiguous "well whenever" answer is not
acceptable in this circumstance. I offered to assist in any way I can.
Perhaps there isn't any way I can but lets at least give the member a
definite time frame. That is not an unreasonable request. A few other
members have more demurely inquired.
I really do not like the way we are handling this at all.
On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Craig Bowden <craig.bowden at lp.org> wrote:
> I will note that the only reason I voted yes is because that was what the
> majority of the states I represent said. I will not be silent, however, on
> the fact that the process was screwy, and I will be reminding for that
> breakdown by states until I can get that information passed on to those who
> requested in Region 1.
>
> I understand that people are busy. I am one of them. It is now almost one
> week since the elections.
>
> Respectfully,
> Craig Bowden
> Region 1 Alternate
>
> On 2018-07-09 14:46, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>
>> Suspension of the rules has to be specific and there is no way around
>> the fact that we used the number 5 over and over.
>>
>> This is taking things to an even deeper level of improper. I object to
>> the whole at-Large process- I don’t think the delegates made an
>> independent choice and now to just infer this upon that is two bridges
>> too far.
>>
>> This is a big screwup and I won’t be part of sweeping it under the rug.
>>
>> It alarms me to no end how blithely the whole situation is being taken.
>>
>> There are people looking at us and seeing nothing different than the
>> government we wish to reform.
>>
>> There was a controversial election and at least one state chair and
>> candidate has been asking for the state by state rallies with no time
>> frame given him.
>>
>> The whole thing was an affront to people expecting an entirely
>> different thing when they ran. I will not be sanguine about it.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 2:20 PM Whitney Bilyeu
>> <[1]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> This point did come up immediately after adjournment, while Nick was
>> still at the mic. I don't recall who brought it up, but the statement
>> was made that it would follow the same procedure as At-Large at that
>> point, since we were no longer in session.
>> No one raised the question prior to that.
>> Whitney Bilyeu
>> Region 7 Representative
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> <[2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Joshua they were not given a choice on this. The JC never came
>> up.
>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:47 AM <[1][3]joshua.smith at lp.org>
>>
>> wrote:
>> I vote yes. Given that the delegates were given the choice at
>> convention
>> just a few short days ago, I believe we should respect that
>> decision.
>> Thanks,
>> Joshua D. Smith
>> On 2018-07-07 22:23, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the
>> LNC-Business
>> > list by July 14, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
>> Co-Sponsors:
>> > Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein, Hagan, Merced, Van Horn
>> Motion:
>> Move
>> > that
>> > the Libertarian National Committee acknowledge the
>> election of
>> the
>> > following to the Judicial Committee for a four-year term:
>> D.
>> Frank
>> > Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry, Ruth Bennett, Geoff
>> Neale,
>> > Jim
>> > Turney, and Tricia Sprankle. You can keep track of the
>> Secretary's
>>
>> > manual tally of votes here:
>> [1][2][4]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>
>> > --
>> > --
>> > In Liberty,
>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> (Alaska,
>> > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> > Washington)
>> > - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> > Communications Director, [3]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> > We defend your rights
>> > And oppose the use of force
>> > Taxation is theft
>> >
>> > References
>> >
>>
>> > 1. [3][5]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> > 2. mailto:[4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> > 3. [5][6]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>>
>> - [6]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> References
>> 1. mailto:[7]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 2. [8]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 3. [9]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 4. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 5. [11]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 6. mailto:[12]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>
>> --
>>
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [13]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 3. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 4. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 5. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 6. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 7. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 8. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 9. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 10. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 11. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 12. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 13. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>
>
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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Craig - I say this with all deference to your judgment and your new
role which is no longer mine but want you to hear a voice of
experience. I also promised region 1 that I would follow their lead
and wishes as long as it didn't violate my principles or member's
rights.
I never had to go against their wishes because none of the above ever
came up. If I were in your shoes right now, I might. Particularly
since a region 1 candidate was pretty screwed by this whole process.
There is no reason that someone asking for election results in a
suspect election should be left hanging. Yes, people are busy. Then
you say - you will have it by XXXX. This ambiguous "well whenever"
answer is not acceptable in this circumstance. I offered to assist in
any way I can. Perhaps there isn't any way I can but lets at least
give the member a definite time frame. That is not an unreasonable
request. A few other members have more demurely inquired.
I really do not like the way we are handling this at all.
On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Craig Bowden <[1]craig.bowden at lp.org>
wrote:
I will note that the only reason I voted yes is because that was
what the majority of the states I represent said. I will not be
silent, however, on the fact that the process was screwy, and I will
be reminding for that breakdown by states until I can get that
information passed on to those who requested in Region 1.
I understand that people are busy. I am one of them. It is now
almost one week since the elections.
Respectfully,
Craig Bowden
Region 1 Alternate
On 2018-07-09 14:46, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
Suspension of the rules has to be specific and there is no way
around
the fact that we used the number 5 over and over.
This is taking things to an even deeper level of improper. I
object to
the whole at-Large process- I don’t think the delegates made an
independent choice and now to just infer this upon that is two
bridges
too far.
This is a big screwup and I won’t be part of sweeping it under
the rug.
It alarms me to no end how blithely the whole situation is being
taken.
There are people looking at us and seeing nothing different than
the
government we wish to reform.
There was a controversial election and at least one state chair
and
candidate has been asking for the state by state rallies with no
time
frame given him.
The whole thing was an affront to people expecting an entirely
different thing when they ran. I will not be sanguine about it.
On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 2:20 PM Whitney Bilyeu
<[1][2]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
This point did come up immediately after adjournment, while Nick
was
still at the mic. I don't recall who brought it up, but the
statement
was made that it would follow the same procedure as At-Large at
that
point, since we were no longer in session.
No one raised the question prior to that.
Whitney Bilyeu
Region 7 Representative
On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
<[2][3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Joshua they were not given a choice on this. The JC never
came
up.
On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:47 AM
<[1][3][4]joshua.smith at lp.org>
wrote:
I vote yes. Given that the delegates were given the choice at
convention
just a few short days ago, I believe we should respect that
decision.
Thanks,
Joshua D. Smith
On 2018-07-07 22:23, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the
LNC-Business
> list by July 14, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors:
> Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein, Hagan, Merced, Van Horn
Motion:
Move
> that
> the Libertarian National Committee acknowledge the
election of
the
> following to the Judicial Committee for a four-year
term:
D.
Frank
> Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry, Ruth Bennett,
Geoff
Neale,
> Jim
> Turney, and Tricia Sprankle. You can keep track of the
Secretary's
> manual tally of votes here:
[1][2][4][5]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
Committee
(Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
Wyoming,
> Washington)
> - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [3]Libertarian Party of
Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. [3][5][6]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 2. mailto:[4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 3. [5][6][7]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary
- [6]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[7][8]joshua.smith at lp.org
2. [8][9]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
3. [9][10]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
4. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
5. [11][11]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
6. mailto:[12]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [13]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[12]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
2. mailto:[13]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:[14]joshua.smith at lp.org
4. [15]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
5. [16]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
6. [17]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
7. mailto:[18]joshua.smith at lp.org
8. [19]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
9. [20]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
10. mailto:[21]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
11. [22]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
12. mailto:[23]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
13. mailto:[24]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [25]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:craig.bowden at lp.org
2. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
5. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
6. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
7. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
8. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
9. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
10. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
11. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
12. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
13. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
14. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
15. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
16. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
17. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
18. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
19. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
20. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
21. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
22. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
23. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
24. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
25. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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